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George Rebane

[This is the submitted version of my October column that appeared in the 8oct11 print and online editions of The Union.]

This column has long argued that the American worker is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to workers in emerging economies, and especially when compared to what the American demands as compensation to maintain his ‘right’ to a high standard of living.

The left has fastened on to the premise that it is the failure of markets that has caused the current glut of workers and high unemployment rate.  This failure must be fixed by more government flexing its muscles to tax, regulate, and spend (sorry, “stimulate”) to create jobs.  Supply side economics is anathema to the crowd in Washington, and we are back to government attempting to create jobs through demand side (Keynesian) policies.

This didn’t work during the Great Depression – FDR’s 17.1% unemployment rate in 1939 was the same as the one he inherited in 1933.  It was the dynamic trio of Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo who showed how to work the demand side of Keynesianism – after September 1939 everyone was able to find government jobs.

Earlier this week I woke up to an NPR interview of a venture capitalist and a fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.  Lynn Neary, the liberal interviewer, wanted to know what was wrong with the Occupy Wall Street crowd’s belief that (government) creating jobs would lead to “growth and prosperity”.  In vain, Bill Frezza of CEI attempted to convince NPR that the popular notion of ‘first jobs, then prosperity’ was a myth.


As those who have operated companies know, you don’t go into business to create jobs.  Jobs are an outgrowth of a well-managed business.  And if you ‘create’ too many jobs too fast, you go out of business.

Ms Neary pressed Mr Frezza hard about what to her seemed like a foregone conclusion – the prime purpose of a business was the social objective of creating jobs.   She and so many millions like her are incredulous that jobs are counted as a cost to a business, and that businesses are started to provide goods and services to customers in exchange for revenues that might contain a profit.  Her unsupported point was that businesses have a higher social responsibility than serving their customers and making a profit.

Mr Frezza patiently explained that successful businesses create jobs as a laudable social byproduct, but not as their reason for existence.  And the more successful businesses there are, the more jobs are created for people, but never forget that the prime responsibility a business has is to its customers and owners (shareholders).   None of this made sense to the NPR lady.

She is not alone in her disillusionment in how businesses work in an economy.  Today this ignorance starts at the top and spreads far and wide across the countryside.  President Obama and the socialist crew he has assembled have no experience in doing anything other than cashing government checks.  They don’t know how the “millionaires and billionaires” come by their cash.  All they know is that these greedy and selfish people are the enemy, and that they must be taxed back to some acceptable level of corrigibility.

So as the government does everything possible to derail a recovery, the frustrated, ignorant, and miseducated are predictably beginning to gather in the streets to once more protest capitalism and demand something that they can’t yet quite put their arms around.  Rushing to these little fires with buckets of gasoline are the Michael Moores and Van Joneses bringing old ‘solutions’ that have cost tens of millions of lives and ruined hundreds of millions more.

Van Jones, the self-declared communist and former administration ‘Green Czar’, has put together a conference of progressives called ‘Rebuild the Dream’ designed to foment “a real middle class uprising”.  These people simply cannot accept an economic recovery in America.  Their whole movement will fall apart.  No one will assemble in the streets if they have jobs to go to, and no one will want to work for the “fundamental transformation” that Obama promised us.  These agitators will then have to either get a real job, or wind up in some backwater NGO begging for government grants with which to plan their next revolution.

In the meantime, most of the country is fervently hoping that the self-serving politicians and bureaucrats in Washington will settle down and stop trying to create jobs using ideas and tools that have never worked, and have only caused grief for those who know how a real job creating economy works.

George Rebane is an entrepreneur and a retired systems scientist in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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245 responses to “Misunderstanding Job Creation”

  1. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd, Walt could have stood behind his words when I challenged Frisch on his claim. It was dishonest for him not to.

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  2. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    The last time I used my full name, the hate calls poured in.
    And when it comes to any form of creeping Communism, OH YA,, I have a problem with that. I don’t Deni that. And it’s my GOD given right to say it has no place in the United States. And ANYONE who’s “pro commie” is ( in MY opinion) an enemy of the state. That includes VAN JONES. He was put in a position of power and control that would allow him to push that agenda. Thankfully he was exposed and driven from that position.

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  3. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    And one more thing. “O” put him there with the FULL knowledge of Jone’s beliefs.And the so called “America loving” Left gave “O” a pass. …. How nice of them.

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  4. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I have a problem with Communism, too, Walt, but making it a thoughtcrime isn’t a constitutional solution. There’s nothing wrong and much right in showing a Van Jones the door when extreme views are made known, but that isn’t a result of what he did or thought being against the law. Just impolitic.
    Now, when I challenged Frisch, why didn’t you chime in and say, ‘Greg, no, that IS what I believe.”?

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Greg, although it would have been nice to have had Walt chime in, if you are the one making wild accusations, you bear the responsibility for getting your facts straight. I forgive you!
    Oh, and by the way, any careful reading of my statements would have illustrated that I have a ‘problem’ with communism as well, but defend anyones right to a political belief, even one as ill-formed as Walt’s.

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  6. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, I tried. I asked you for substantiation, you chose silence. After asking a couple of times, I stated I suspected you made it up.
    That has been true in the past. You’re a smart guy, I’ll assume you either remember or can find examples yourself.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Our country fought communists and it fought fascists. millions of people died defending our freedom to speak as Frisch speaks. He knows he is safe because many people like Walt put themselves in harms way to defend those rights. If Walt has no use for communism I am right there too. He also has no use for fascism, I am right there too. The difference is Frisch will defend a commies rights but not a fascists like say the KKK or the neo nazi’s. I don’t defend them, I condemn. But they do have the right to spew their hate, people like Frisch only defend like minded folks apparently.

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd, the KKK and neo-nazis aren’t political parties, and Democrats embrace former KKK members.
    “I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.” Robert Byrd (1944), KKK Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops, D-West Virginia, 1953-2010 (House & Senate), deceased. He even filibustered the Civil Rights Act.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The KKK was the response by democrats to reconstruction. The neo-nazi’s are a political movement. Maybe not a party but maybe like the communists were doing in the 40’s and 50’s in America.

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Regarding Byrd, the democrats actually were successful with their attempts to remake him into a nice old fart who loved the little chillin. The lamestream press, other than FOX, helped them reimage the bastard.

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  11. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Speaking of wild accusations, here’s what Frisch dropped in the FUE’s messy sandbox this morning:
    “The good news is that our local right, with the exception of the Mark Meckler phenomenon, are irrelevant. Nobody cares what the George Rebane’s, Russ Steele’s, Todd Juvinal’s and Greg Goodknights of the world think. Their very statements point out the folly of their biases, selective misreading of history, and wild eyed accusations. Besides all those old farts are doing is sitting on their behinds and throwing stones, they are not actively engaged in a solution. ”
    Steve, I’ve never been either right wing or conservative. You know this, yet you trot that out over at Cartman’s.
    In addition, if you didn’t care what I write you wouldn’t be getting so apoplectic over it on a regular basis. You hate to be challenged.
    BTW on the jobs front… the sacbee had a piece about how conservation non-profits have been squeezed as donations have lessened with the economy. How’s the SBC been doing? Any belt tightening?

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Greg, does Frisch mean noone cares? That is just terrible. And I thought we were nationally and even internationally published. Just kidding. Anyway, Frisch is at the helm of a sinking ship. The ripoff non profits from the eco extremist front are seeing their money dry up and rightly so. They are the biggest scammers in America, sort of a “green” Bernie Madoff scam setup. But, wince I just sit on my couch and watch old westerns 24/7, how would I know that? I have come to realize when a person like Frisch says what he says about the opposition, he is truly talking about himself. No one of any substance cares what he says about anything. He is self delusional.

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  13. Mike Thornton Avatar

    My God, what a bunch of “whiners”!
    You guys (all 8 of you, that is) call people names,day in and day out.
    That’s basically all you ever do!
    As soon as somebody gives it back to you, you start crying like a bunch of little girls.
    I mean, if ya can’t be a man, at least try to act like one!
    deleted for calling a bunch of sissies, sissies!

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    We are the real men unlike you and what was it Arnie called you? Oh, girlie man. Yep. Liberals are girlie men.

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  15. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Is that what you tell yourself when you’re hiding in your house afraid that the Muslims and Communists and Liberals are all coming to get you?

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  16. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Not another solar scandal!
    http://usbacklash.org/obamas-new-1-2-billion-sunpower-loan-scandal-twice-as-big-as-solyndra/
    What’s this…George Miller? Not the Delta Smelt George Miller?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZyi4BA0lVU&feature=relmfu
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFt_Rksf4w&feature=relmfu
    All that ruined farm land…what to do with that? Well, at least these jobs are in Mexico…for now!

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No hiding for me. I expose all you girlie men and you flee. Liberals are too funny. You afraid of those littl gray haired old ladies of the Tea Party? Yep.
    Dave, Miller needs to step down but he won’t.

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  18. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Why would he…all that land would be good for a solar project.

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Au contraire Mr. Juvinile. I would have supported all ideologies right to speak in the good old United States, even the KKK and Nazi’s. As a matter of fact so has the ACLU, and that’s one reason I support the ACLU. And you might note, I was defending Mr. Jones freedom to speak as he saw fit. It’s a basic right all you ‘constitutionalists’ might remember.
    Greg, I stand by my statement about your politics. I cite as proof your positions on markets, climate change, and governance, coupled with your propensity to call people communists at the drop of a hat. So, you may not think you are a conservative, and you may have some social liberal points of view, but to me you are a conservative (and one frustrated angry dude I might add).
    And finally, nice job taking responsibility; all it took was following the bullsh*t up above and you would have been up to speed on Walt’s comments. But once again, I forgive you.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    What a hoot! Friesh defends Van Jones who was a government official and supposedly representing all Americans in his communist ideology. Now that is quite telling of a real uniformed person. SteaveF supports all ideologies yet trashes the Tea Party and conservatives at every moment. Usually telling us in a four letter word no less. Freish, you are simply a liberal hypocrite and not many people here care about what you say because you are way out in space.

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “I cite as proof your positions on markets, climate change, and governance, coupled with your propensity to call people communists at the drop of a hat. So, you may not think you are a conservative, and you may have some social liberal points of view, but to me you are a conservative (and one frustrated angry dude I might add).”
    Proof? What tripe. Free markets are generally only given lip service by conservatives, who, in most forms, want government to help them as much as the left wants to harm them. And “climate change” isn’t, or at least shouldn’t be, about the politics at all. It’s the emerging science that drove me to the skeptic/scoffer side, and you’ll get it eventually. Reality is catching up, and even the millionaire bureaucrat Hansen at NASA GISS (those lecture fees sure pile up even though none of his predictions have come to pass) is admitting he’s losing the battle over public opinion.
    Finally, I’ve never called people “communists at the drop of a hat”. In fact, I can’t remember ever noting someone being a communist unless they’ve self described themselves as such. This is a fabrication of yours meant to defame me, and I request you either substantiate this with some quotes, or retract it.
    Yes, I get angry when two faced political operatives smear me in public. This is normal behavior.

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  22. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    So who is scared of who? It’s the Progressive Left that wants to disarm the American people. Brown just made that clear. YUP,, dismantle the Bill of Rights one piece at a time. Now you nuts want more government intervention when it come to our kids. So parental rights are in your cross hairs too. Just because someone has a government title by their name does NOT make them any wiser. Dumber is more like it.
    The “Fickle Finger” at ya’. LOL!!!( good party members)

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  23. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Greg, don’t look at me, your guys are the ones politicizing science every single day here.
    No retraction here!

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  24. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Gee, Todd, you were a government official and you clearly despise many of the people you were supposed to be representing.
    Talk about “hypocrite”!

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Mike
    Not only that but Todd would likely still be a government official if only he’d been elected assessor in 1998. It wasn’t his choice to lose the election and stay in the private sector.

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  26. Mike Thornton Avatar

    That’s the thing with (nearly) all of these folks. Everything they accuse others of is exactly what they’ve done or would like to do! The other thing is that they are ALWAYS worse than the people they decry.
    They’re so used to talking to and short stroking each other that they believe their own BS!

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  27. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch has made it clear it’s OK to tar someone as a rigid right wing conservative someone who reliably tests left-libertarian on Nolan Chart quizzes and vehemently rejects the conservative label, but it’s wrong to agree with someone who self describes as a communist.
    You’re a hypocrite, Frisch. Nothing new there.
    My guys are politicizing science every singe day here? First, I really don’t have any “guys” here; they put up with my abuse towards them because I do a nice job sparring with the likes of you. Juvinal just does what you do… take the side of the science that agrees with his politics. You’re bookends, neither with enough of a clue to approach sentience when it comes to scientific arguments. (Nothing personal, Todd, you’re just a follower like Frisch only with being on the correct side on that issue).
    James Hansen of NASA GISS has been politicizing the science for a couple of decades. He made something like a million dollars at it last year, a fraction of it his gov’t salary. Nice work when you can get it, but he’s losing the battle. No one believes his past predictions of NYC being underwater by now, and with ocean levels dropping, it’s harder and harder to sell for the future.
    Frisch, you’ll probably be on the global cooling alarm wagon by the time the next presidential election cycle starts up.

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  28. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Thornton, a question you dodged. You mentioned the “dupes” of the 1%… how different is that from the running-dog lackey label used in the 60’s? I asked because your rhetoric seemed so familiar… even frisch is wondering (at the FUE’s) whether the OWS will degenerate into the anti-capitalist rhetoric of the 60’s, and I was surprised he hadn’t noticed it already had, just with a slightly different vocabulary.
    Here’s a blast from the past, by the Not Ready for Prime Time Players a couple years before they were the NRFPTP… one of my favorite albums of 1973, Lemmings. “Papa was a Running-dog Lackey of the Bourgeoisie” by the Motown Manifestos.
    http://www.myspace.com/soulgrabber/music/songs/papa-was-a-running-dog-lackey-of-the-bourgeoisie-151705
    1% sounds a lot like the Bourgeoisie, doesn’t it?

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  29. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    By the way, Walt, the head of the Communist Party USA in the 80’s was adamant that the communist position regarding the keeping and bearing arms by citizens of the USA was the same as yours. He wanted the people to have guns for the revolution, if necessary.
    I don’t think he made any promises about that freedom continuing after the revolution.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I have no idea what PaulE and MikeT are talking about regarding me. I think the ganga is heavy with them tonight.
    Regarding Greg’s comments on my position on global warming. I guess we have to disagree Greg since I was fighting the issue since before 1996. Were you in the thick of it then? If so, then you might understand it better from a political sense. Sure you may have now got the true science but at the time it was starting I saw it simply as a political movement. I was right and lucky for you your science followed up to prove me right. Most of the battles I fought against the lies of the AGW hoaxers was done without many scientists from the denier side because they were intimidated by the true hoaxers. So, you can believe what you want regarding the science but it was always about politics and power. I was on the field in the beginning.

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  31. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    “I think the ganga is heavy with them tonight.”
    LOL!

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  32. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Todd writes:
    “I have no idea what PaulE and MikeT are talking about regarding me”
    Yeah right! What a cowardly liar you are TJ.
    As for you GG, there’s no dodge, because your “question” is simply dumb.
    A “dupe” is a “dupe”, if you don’t know what it means look it up in a dictionary.
    As far as the OWS goes, I don’t care if they’re inarticulate. They may not have ‘Message Clarity” but the do have “Moral Clarity” If you want message clarity go to rebuildthedream.com
    That’s the program I support!
    Look everyone gets it. You’re a teabag, regressive, foot soldier for the Koch Brothers and their rich friends. What’s sad is, that as you volunteer to be one of their “dupes”,we’ll all be forced to hear a “great wailing and gnashing of teeth” when they throw you under the bus, with the rest of your buddies.

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  33. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    As long as Holder don’t start hading out weapons in the streets and allies out of the back of Fed government vehicles, things should stay half ass peaceful. But there is some from the OWS crowd pushing for violent action to get their way. It seems the more it looks like “O” and Co. and the Libs in the house and Senate will lose there seats, the more dangerous these radicals seem to be. So if their power structure falls, they want the rest of the nation to fall with them. That info is out there and easy to find.
    Remember what happened in New Orleans? The police were confiscating weapons left and right. Police shot unarmed people and covered it up.( then got caught) This is turning VARY dangerous no matter which way you look at it. And if you can dig it off the Union’s archives around the time of “O”‘s election you will find where I predicted this just might happen if “O” and co.’s actions and policies damaged this nation to the brink of disaster. So far the first part has actually happened. We ARE on that brink.
    Now we hear that this new spend…I mean jobs bill, didn’t pass, “O” wants to circumvent Congress once again, and implement what ever part they think they can get away with. And this isn’t a communistic approach? ” screw the rules”?
    A common ditch digger can figure this out Why not someone with a supposed ” higher intellect”? ( no insult intended)

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Dave, it is a hoot. MikeT and PaulE just have to be imbibing, no one would say the stuff they do if they were sober. LOL! The OWS people are inarticulate leeches on the body politic and that is why Thornton can relate to them so well. Like minded. The Tea Party scare the crap out of the left and the freeloaders because their lifestyle of bloodsucking the people that pay the bills is in jeopardy. The nuts at these protests are so stupid they can’t even tell the interviewer why they are there! Someone, many say Soros, pays the bills for these nuts and heck, they don’t even take a bath. Sheesh! So MikeT, grow up and get a life and stop being such a whiny taker.

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  35. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Sorry, Thornton, but I’ve never been a Tea Partier. I did cast a vote for David Koch in 1980 when he ran on the Libertarian ticket as VP, qualifying him to donate all he wanted to the campaign, for which I was grateful. Never met him, but did meet his running mate Ed Clark at Timothy Leary’s house in ’88 when Dr. Tim hosted a reception for Ron Paul. I preferred Paul’s rhetoric in ’88 but it wasn’t all that different.
    So, was Timothy Leary a running dog lackey (or dupe, if you prefer) for David Koch?

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  36. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Gee Todd:
    You sure didn’t seem to mind “leeching” off the government when you were taking that government salary or when you tried to get another taxpayer funded job to boot.
    And doing so, while hating the very people you claimed to represent. Shame on you!
    Should we talk about defaulting on a loan that left the taxpayers on the the hook as well?
    You should be really careful about who you call a “leech” Todd, you seem to be way better at being one than any of those kids on Wall Street!

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  37. Mike Thornton Avatar

    The time I actually spoke with Tim Leary, he struck me as a pretty much burned out ex acid head, which seems like it’s different than being a “running dog lackey”

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  38. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    There’s nearly 6 thousand hits for pages with both “running dog” and dupe, including at least one on-line dictionary. That Chinese/English dictionary and their character that literally translates to running dog is also translated to “dupe”. So it is the same exact terminology.
    Now, if only there were an academically trained political scientist in the house to contrast Bourgeoisie with “1%”.
    Thornton, I’ll be happy to loan you my official Chi-Com Quotations from Chairman Mao if you need to go to the well for more rhetoric. I once worked with a number of Chinese engineers about my age… they took one look at my copy (purchased at a college bookstore in the ’70’s), and were amazed. Identical to the ones they had been expected to study, except for the translation. I figured any book that was at the center of butchering millions was worth reading.

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  39. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    What have you guys been saying about no creeping Socialism, Marxist, Communism? Well get a load of this!
    “Illinois Democratic Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that congressional opposition to the American Jobs Act is akin to the Confederate “states in rebellion.”
    Jackson called for full government employment of the 15 million unemployed and said that Obama should “declare a national emergency” and take “extra-constitutional” action “administratively” — without the approval of Congress — to tackle unemployment.
    “I hope the president continues to exercise extraordinary constitutional means, based on the history of Congresses that have been in rebellion in the past,” Jackson said. “He’s looking administratively for ways to advance the causes of the American people, because this Congress is completely dysfunctional.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/12/jackson-obama-should-declare-a-national-emergency-add-jobs-with-extra-constitutional-action/#ixzz1ae5vi5AN
    The next thing we just might hear is a call to suspend the election!
    The lengths this administration will go to stay in power are mind boggling.
    Chavez would be proud.
    I can’t wait to see you defend these treasonous statements.
    GOD help us.

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  40. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    So Greg, don’t you see the inconsistency between you being upset at being called a right winger and others here being upset at being called communists or socialists? You lay down with dogs you get up with fleas. But you seem to be squealing like a pig. You voted for David Koch, you went over the line from left lib to right freak a long time ago. I’m tough enough to take your lies and insinuations. Are you tough enough to take the truth?
    I mean seriously this whole thread is nothing but boring.

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  41. Mike Thornton Avatar

    What Greg (also) doesn’t seem to understand is that the rhetoric he and his tea bag clan use, has been used repeatedly by right wing freak-a-zoids, for a couple of centuries.
    It’s the same (tired) xenophobic, persecuted minority crap. They play on fear and hate. The end result is (as always) to protect the interests of the wealthy, white minority, by convincing the white middle and working class that their interests will be served by keeping their masters in control.
    The sad thing is that so many of these guys, wave their flag of ignorance as if it were a banner of valor. You know that Koch must be laughing his *** off if he ever reads the rantings of the Todds and GG’s of the world!

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  42. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    “protect the interests of the wealthy, white minority” You mean the people Steve gets his FREE MONEY from?

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I must say MikeT has all the communist mantra down quite well (quoting Chi-com phrases). Incarceration books are so interesting I suppose. (does that comprise a handout?) But I digress. When a person runs for local office they have to take the slings and arrows from those on the dole. I saw and heard many of the MikeT types at public hearings who were there to fight for their free money handouts when we fought the welfare reform battles and GA handout amounts. They were entitled to the money they said. We said maybe you could do something for the money, like pickup trash along the highways or the trails. Help some old folks and a plethora of ideas. No, the MikeT’s said, that would be demeaning to have to work for our welfare and free medical money. The ACLU agreed and sued to ensure the MikeT’s could sit n their couch, eat taxpayer bon-bons and watch Oprah without the terrible demeaning task of work. Well, we tried but the socialist/communists were always there to argue for their free money from the taxpayers. For a long time the left had a majority of our legislators in America but over the years they spent all the money and gave nothing back to the system and it became bankrupt. When their free money dried up they gathered together and made some signs and went to Wall Street and Brunswick Road to let everyone know they were really mad their free money was no longer easy to obtain. The 50% of Americans like MikeT that take the money and put nothing back need to step up and pay their fair share. Are you ready MikeT to pay your fair share?

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  44. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey Walt do you go to church? is your church a non-profit? does your God benefit from the IRS tax code? do you participate in any other non-profit activities? what makes one charitable purpose under the IRS code any different than another? is it solely whether you agree with what they do or not? are you even aware that the Chambers of Commerce, Citizen’s United, the NRA, the Boy’s and Girl’s Clubs, and almost every service organization in America is chartered under the IRS code? Were you aware that social sector organizations are almost 10% of the US economy, and leverage at least 3-1 in private sector donations to meet charitable purposes to tax deductions taken?
    If so, then your application of the law re: equal protection is equally as insane here as it is on political affiliation. I don’t think you know what the heck it means to be an American my friend. I don’t give a damn what you did in life, if you don’t stand up for equal protection you are a piss poor American.
    Greg, you going to bust Walty on this, or are you going to let it slide like you usually do, empowering others to do the dirty work?
    The hypocrisy of the people here is amazing. Todd can found what illegally claimed to be a non-profit, that lied about its tax status for years, until a few of us noticed the inconsistency on their web site, and you are busting a guy who follows 100% of the rules regarding disclosure, independent audit and transparency?
    You know, I remember your letter to the editor about violence coming with Obama elected President. I suggest you dig it up and post it here.

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  45. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    By the way Greg, you own a copy of Mao’s little red book (I don’t even own one!) and you are insinuating I prefer totalitarianism to democracy up above? Of course I would defend your right to own, read, quote from, vote for, and love Mao’s masterpiece to the death, and never think of implying that that makes you some kind of communist!

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    stevenfrisch

    Hey Todd, your 50% figure is bull. That figure is only income tax, and does not count property, sales, excise, use, or payroll taxes. Aggregately the bottom 20% of society pays almost exactly as much as a percentage of their income in taxes as the top 20%. So stop spreading lies OK?

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Wow, Freisch is in need of his meds this morning. What a hoot! I believe I said the 50% don’t pay federal income taxes and since the deficits at the federal level are created by the imbalance between income and outgo (something a phony non-profit like SBC should know), then you must be the fibber Freisch.
    Regarding CABPRO. It was formed as a for profit and never made one. That was why it was said to be a non-profit. Total transparency SteveF, unlike your SBC that no longer appears to post its corporate info on line. Why s that? Maybe those first class tickets on jets might show up? No, CABPRO was always honest and has been a membership for profit filer since ay one. But hey, SteveF, you are simply a run of the mill fibber on most everything here. I I am surprised though that you claim you haven’t got the little “Red Book” since you seem to claim to be the smartest guy in the country. Oh well, you sure do spew Mao’s mantra’s, we know you are a socialist so you can stop fiibbing. What a hoot!
    Walt, this is the kind of stuff SteveF spews against real working folks like you.

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  48. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    At least our church actually puts that money to GOOD USE. Like feeding the UNWASHED and homeless on a regular basis. Not a dime goes in OUR pockets. Unlike you.
    Have fun fling first class on someone else’s dim….BUCK.

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  49. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I love using his own spew against him. He’s his own worst enemy. Praise the LORD and pass the ammunition. (Steve,,LOL!!)

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  50. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No Frisch, I never “insinuated” you preferred totalitarianism. Nor did I ever call someone who hasn’t called themselves communist a communist, something you were claiming I did “at the drop of a hat”.
    I really hate it when you lie like that, Steve. Why not just stop?
    I’m not the one doing the name calling or labeling here, and I, apparently unlike you and Thornton, don’t practice guilt by association.

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