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George Rebane

[This is the submitted version of my October column that appeared in the 8oct11 print and online editions of The Union.]

This column has long argued that the American worker is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to workers in emerging economies, and especially when compared to what the American demands as compensation to maintain his ‘right’ to a high standard of living.

The left has fastened on to the premise that it is the failure of markets that has caused the current glut of workers and high unemployment rate.  This failure must be fixed by more government flexing its muscles to tax, regulate, and spend (sorry, “stimulate”) to create jobs.  Supply side economics is anathema to the crowd in Washington, and we are back to government attempting to create jobs through demand side (Keynesian) policies.

This didn’t work during the Great Depression – FDR’s 17.1% unemployment rate in 1939 was the same as the one he inherited in 1933.  It was the dynamic trio of Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo who showed how to work the demand side of Keynesianism – after September 1939 everyone was able to find government jobs.

Earlier this week I woke up to an NPR interview of a venture capitalist and a fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.  Lynn Neary, the liberal interviewer, wanted to know what was wrong with the Occupy Wall Street crowd’s belief that (government) creating jobs would lead to “growth and prosperity”.  In vain, Bill Frezza of CEI attempted to convince NPR that the popular notion of ‘first jobs, then prosperity’ was a myth.


As those who have operated companies know, you don’t go into business to create jobs.  Jobs are an outgrowth of a well-managed business.  And if you ‘create’ too many jobs too fast, you go out of business.

Ms Neary pressed Mr Frezza hard about what to her seemed like a foregone conclusion – the prime purpose of a business was the social objective of creating jobs.   She and so many millions like her are incredulous that jobs are counted as a cost to a business, and that businesses are started to provide goods and services to customers in exchange for revenues that might contain a profit.  Her unsupported point was that businesses have a higher social responsibility than serving their customers and making a profit.

Mr Frezza patiently explained that successful businesses create jobs as a laudable social byproduct, but not as their reason for existence.  And the more successful businesses there are, the more jobs are created for people, but never forget that the prime responsibility a business has is to its customers and owners (shareholders).   None of this made sense to the NPR lady.

She is not alone in her disillusionment in how businesses work in an economy.  Today this ignorance starts at the top and spreads far and wide across the countryside.  President Obama and the socialist crew he has assembled have no experience in doing anything other than cashing government checks.  They don’t know how the “millionaires and billionaires” come by their cash.  All they know is that these greedy and selfish people are the enemy, and that they must be taxed back to some acceptable level of corrigibility.

So as the government does everything possible to derail a recovery, the frustrated, ignorant, and miseducated are predictably beginning to gather in the streets to once more protest capitalism and demand something that they can’t yet quite put their arms around.  Rushing to these little fires with buckets of gasoline are the Michael Moores and Van Joneses bringing old ‘solutions’ that have cost tens of millions of lives and ruined hundreds of millions more.

Van Jones, the self-declared communist and former administration ‘Green Czar’, has put together a conference of progressives called ‘Rebuild the Dream’ designed to foment “a real middle class uprising”.  These people simply cannot accept an economic recovery in America.  Their whole movement will fall apart.  No one will assemble in the streets if they have jobs to go to, and no one will want to work for the “fundamental transformation” that Obama promised us.  These agitators will then have to either get a real job, or wind up in some backwater NGO begging for government grants with which to plan their next revolution.

In the meantime, most of the country is fervently hoping that the self-serving politicians and bureaucrats in Washington will settle down and stop trying to create jobs using ideas and tools that have never worked, and have only caused grief for those who know how a real job creating economy works.

George Rebane is an entrepreneur and a retired systems scientist in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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245 responses to “Misunderstanding Job Creation”

  1. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Frisch, vous êtes le seul pathétique!

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Here Frischie, read this
    “Jones was a founder and leader of the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM. STORM worked with known communist leaders. The leftist blog Machete 48 (link:) identifies STORM’s influences as “third-worldist Marxism (and an often vulgar Maoism).”

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  3. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Since you are a tax payer funded non=profit Frisch, please tell us how many private sector jobs your SBC has created and maintained this year would you please?

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  4. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Todd, I pointed that out to him. He just refused to see it.
    Steve “claims” to be conservative, but still defends the needle bending Leftist. Conservative? I think NOT. Why is it that Lefties
    believe telling fibs is fine and dandy? They don’t have a problem
    with their own people claiming they were in battle, wearing medals they didn’t earn, and telling stories about fighting they were NEVER in? ” Stolen Valor” ring a bell? Lefties have a REAL problem with truth and facts.

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  5. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Jobs are created when people buy stuff. No buying stuff, no jobbies created, despite the bonehead economic policies the has come out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Case in point is the 500 million for green jobs training. The first 200 million spent on training green workers. Yep, 8,000 jobs are a far cry from the 80,000 jobs promised by O. People are not running out buying solar panels with gleeful anticipation and littering the rooftops of our nation with them. People not buying them, people not finding jobs installing them. Now the R’s want the other 300 million returned to the Treasury in the name of common sense, waste, fraud, and abuse. Most of the O save our country plan went to states who used it to cover Medicaid. Hmmm, not very many jobs created there. Some went to school districts and they hired teachers for a year or so until they got the pink slipped when the Stimulus well started to dry up. Meanwhile, the Apple store in NYC is open 24/7 with long lines of folks waiting to get in and buy stuff. Don’t think Steve Jobs needed some gov’t help or advice on how to run his business. Think he has created a long lasting job or two. I could be wrong.

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  6. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Walt, you are o full of sh@t. I have never claimed to be a conservative, or in the military, nor do I defend any democrat who claims military experience who did not have it. But if you want to look at the record of current political leadership and who has military experience I suggest you do so. You will find hat it’s the republicans that have a record of being chicken-hawks.
    And what part of “defending the needle-bending left” am I engaged in? I am merely pointing out that you and others here are proving your constitutional principles by engaging in promoting UN-constitutional behavior.
    What you guys are really missing is that in your zeal to cut everything you are cutting off America’s nose to spite it’s face.
    Here is a great analysis that I think might resonate with some here:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/278758/end-future-peter-thiel?page=1

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt as you can read from the self proclaimed “not a conservative, never served in the military” fellow, he knows more than all of us combined. Leeches always suck the life out of the host don’t they?

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “I want to hear at least one conservative defender of the constitution state unequivocally here that Van Jones has a perfect right to associate with the political party and philosophy of his choice.”
    I want to hear Frisch quote where anyone has claimed otherwise. A classic Frisch straw man, and why he thinks the Peter Theil piece supports his position in any way awaits clarification…
    “Today’s aged hippies no longer understand that there is a difference between the election of a black president and the creation of cheap solar energy; in their minds, the movement towards greater civil rights parallels general progress everywhere. Because of these ideological conflations and commitments, the 1960s Progressive Left cannot ask whether things actually might be getting worse.”

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  9. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    So which Repubs did you vote for? It seems then you go in any direction the wind blows.
    So your also defending the OCCUPY thugs? Then you better take a good look at some of these PICS. ( if you dare)
    You will NEVER see this from the Tea Party.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html

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  10. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    BTW Stevey,, a lot of these “fine upstanding people” are VAN JONES followers.

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  11. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Now to put you to task Steve,,, Just where were you and the SBC when my boss dropped dead, and his widow was trying to keep the company running? Isn’t that what your supposedly there to do? Help business? Or was it up to her to come to you and beg for help?
    Or does that cut into your own paycheck?

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  12. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution.
    Any 8th grader in America would be smarter than Todd.
    The Theil price points out pretty clearly that we are farting around the edges of job creation and rebuilding Americas place in the world rather than moving forward with bold vision. The people holding us back from bold vision are the people that seem to be loved here; the intransigent, do-nothing, complaining, rigid, refusing, politically shallow republicans who are willing to sit on their asses for 18 months rather than work together to put people back to work, because they hate the President so much. How unpatriotic is that? Hugely unpatriotic and manipulative. They should be ashamed of themselves.
    And Walt, I don’t know you from Adam, am sorry your boss died, and hope things turned out OK. But how completely ridiculous of you to ask this question.

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  13. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Oh yeah, I don’t agree with all, or probably even most,of the signs held in the photos referenced above, nor with defecating in the street, but where was the Tea Party when people showed up with signs depicting our President as pick-a-ninny?–oh I know, they were using their terrorist cell like structure to exercise plausible deniability. What I will see from the Tea Party is tolerated racism, bold faced lies, and predatory corporate apologistics.
    I really hope the Occupy movement takes off, causes enough anxiety to lead to true financial reform, and we get some positive change out of it. I suspect the issues will coalesce, leadership will emerge, the fringe will be minimized, and it will become a counter social movement to the Tea Party.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch, my cat has more brains than you. You are simply a numbskull. But you do provide us with a comedic break.
    One thing is for sure, you are a infantile hypocrite. You claim all here are racists yet you never supply the racial makeup of your hiring practices. Or the gender. My guess is you are what you are calling everyone else, a simple racist and sexist woose.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, he only cares about himself. A typical liberal crybaby. He has no answers because he is a failure at his profession. Whatever that is.

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  16. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    So SBC is a DO NOTHING org. except to line their own pockets.
    How much have you raked in, VS what went out to “help” Business?
    How many jobs have you brought to town that is verifiable?
    “and hope things turned out OK” What a load….
    A good audit of SBC is in order. Right up there with Solyndra.

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  17. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    It seems so long ago when this young president lowered taxes to create jobs and was then assassinated by a communist espousing similar anti-capitalist rhetoric of today’s progressives…very sad!
    http://tinyurl.com/3ow93d3

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Walt, I almost forgot. No Tea Party Patriot has been arrested yet and there were no signs or spitting that denigrated any race, creed or color. There were some leftwing plants with outrageous signs that the TPP threw out of their rallies though. Only the defecating on police car lefty’s Frisch ardors do those things. You know, left wing free defecating in the First Amendment he defends. What a hoot. My 7 years old grandchild has more logic than Frisch.

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  19. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution.”– Not that I could find. Perhaps a quote that supports your statement would clarify this point.
    When Theil writes about “soft totalitarianism of political correctness in media and academia”, Pelline and Frisch, two who have no real understanding of science or technology, both come to mind.
    Bold leadership won’t be found from the Sierra so-called Business Council, nor will it come from this White House, and I have no reason to believe the “politically shallow republicans” are not following their best judgment about what is best for the country. Doubling down on the first two years of mistakes isn’t the way out.

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  20. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    And Stevie ( Wonder) might want to read his own web site before he takes shots at me.
    Like his “locals first” (ha) program.
    That’s right Todd, The arrest count is Tea Party ZIP,,ZERO,,NONE, and Lefty longhairs 1000+, and counting.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think we are all kicking the lefty’s butt here. As you can see he has fled without answering any of our questions.

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  22. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Why would I answer these outrageous bulls&%$ accusations? This is just beat up on Steve morning. I don’t mind. As long as you are wasting your time here you are not out organizing the forces of evil. 🙂
    I think you all were over exposed to mercury as children. The entire crew here is a waste of good oxygen.

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  23. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    He probably went in full retreat to the Progressive site to lick his,,,… wounds.

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  24. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Today I got a wee small taste of buying local and gov’t regulation. I went to the cig store and bought a carton. Always get a free lighter when buying a carton. No more. The owner explained that new regs say he cannot give out free lighters. Told me the government now requires him to charge for lighters. I feigned a protest and asked how much is a lighter? He says he now charges a nickel for them, but is forbidden to give them away. Hmm, I plunked down a nickle and put the lighter in the glove box for emergencies. Certain this new policy will create jobs, LOL. Leave it to gov’t regulations to run a business and get someone to part with an additional 5 red cents. Ah, its those little things in life I miss the most.

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  25. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Perhaps it is time for “When in Rome, do as the Romans.” I am talking about forming a little group to create green jobs. I know what to do: we could propose a worm farm that will create 9-12 jobs with living wage. Get the taxpayer via one of their tree hugging dirt worshiping gov’t departments to kick down 26 million. With 26 million I guarantee I could keep the employees on payroll for more than a couple of years. They don’t have to do anything except suck air and draw a wage. When the money runs out in a few years, simply reapply for more of those US dollars with debt forgiveness thrown in. Don’t have to sell one single worm casting and maybe give truckloads of castings to organic pot…er…organic farmers. The expense would far less than the 6 million per job the government is currently spending on job creation. Call it redistribution of wealth, green jobs, and organic to boot. A win-win for the Van Jones crowd.

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  26. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Calling Steven Frisch:
    “Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution.”
    — Not that I could find. Perhaps a quote that supports your statement would clarify this point.
    I suspect you just made it up.

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  27. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    He is toooo busy applying for more GOV grant money.
    Drop a line to Soros Steve. Oh wait Soros might be cutting back
    on progressive lib org.pay offs.He has an insider trading conviction to pay for.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Just a leech Walt.

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  29. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    That’s an insult to leeches. They can actually serve a useful purpose my friend. ( they are used to re attach severed arms, legs, fingers and toes)

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  30. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Now, now. Poor Steve just came here to punch you teabaggers out a but ended up with a bloody nose when folks swung back. I’d rather he feel comfortable enough to come back and either point out where “Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution”, or admit that Walt really didn’t write anything of the sort.
    C’mon, Steve, do the right thing.

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  31. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    It’s not going to happen. You expect a progressive to admit he’s wrong? He took something out of context, and twisted it to suit he supposed needs. And it backfired.
    Crow…. That’s what’s for dinner at the Steve house. Hope you pass feathers for a week.

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  32. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Mr. R. is going to have to write another good artical to flush out a Steve or two.
    Ever been trap shooting George?…….PULL!!!!

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  33. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    All the nasty personal, off topic attacks here sure are telling.

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  34. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Now, lets be nice….yes, I am avoiding the current topic of bickering between posters and will try once again to stay on the topic of the article, misunderstanding job creation. (I do admit it takes a lot of self discipline to not bash those who misunderstand job creation). OK, one oil rig=500 jobs. Jobs pay about 6 figures with benefits and cost the government zero to create. Last week’s unemployment data showed the economy created about 110,000 jobs, albeit 45,000 of those jobs were Verizon workers returning from their strike. So, how many government subsidized green jobs were created last month? Enough to compensate for the loss of 10 oil rigs? Six figure incomes? Pensions? Benefits? Somebody misunderstands job creation and it ain’t those who sit in Ivory Towers. You got to get closer to the stink to know how jobs are created. http://money.msn.com/investing/unemployed-go-to-north-dakota-cnbc.aspx

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  35. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    opps, me bad….should have said somebody misunderstands job creation and it IS those sitting in Ivory Towers…….Sure, some advice of creating jobs are coming from Nobel winners…..but their advice is about as useful as Nobel Peace Prize winner Yasser Arafat lecturing us on creating peace.

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  36. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “All the nasty personal, off topic attacks here sure are telling.”
    You mean like when the local Corporate CEO falsely claimed another poster “said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution”?
    Or maybe when that same Corporate CEO called me a “pathetic little man”? Or exclaimed “Walt, you are o full of sh@t”, or “I think you all were over exposed to mercury as children. The entire crew here is a waste of good oxygen”.
    I’d have preferred the local riff raff taken the high road when Steven Frisch of the so-called Sierra Business Council ran off rather than justify or apologize for his little slanders, but I wouldn’t blame them too much.

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  37. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Well,,,, The “other” Steve just flew up like a clay pidgin. ( man I’m good..LOL) Off topic??? Not really. The “topic” is there, if you can see the trees though the forest. Too bad there is no button for you to push to remove comments, that Lefties like you loved to exploit to the fullest.
    And what happened to Steve #1???? I call him on one of his own “programs” and he has never been seen since.

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  38. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Back to misunderstanding job creation, here’s a duesy… the chair of the House Progressive caucus explaining how things like carbon footprint regulations actually creates jobs… because businesses then need more people to get anything done.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/09/dem_congressman_keith_ellison_regulations_create_jobs.html

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Job creation. I watched the hearing by the State department on the Keystone Pipeline held in DC a couple of days ago. The usual suspects, eco-nut non profits , you know the ilk, had their minions testify how building the pipeline would not create jobs. I was amazed. It is all private money and would create 500,000 direct and indirect jobs plus a large number of permanent jobs. The lefty nuts also testified how building it and supplying oil to the USA from Canada would not help in the importation of Middle East oil. Say what? The eco nuts have no clue about life, jobs or the economy. One of them is the President! I listened for a couple of hours and just shook my head in wonder. The USA is going in the crapper because the kind of people running things were those on the dais. How creating a half million jobs does not help the job market is why these people cannot be allowed to be in charge any longer. I heard these nuts here in Nevada County year after year on every project of every size and we see how good they helped our local economy. Now they are nationwide. God help us. Defeat them and their democrat lackeys next year and send them home to mommy and daddy. I did appreciate the people that testified for the pipeline. They withstood the boos and catcalls and gave very good overviews. Oh, when the eco nuts testified there were no boos or catcalls because our side has class.

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  40. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Thanks guys for the support. It means a lot.
    Walt

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  41. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Walt”, you may be reading more into my words than intended. I find it distasteful to read a sockpuppet with a measure of anonymity dumping on someone like Frisch who, while they’re being an ass, at least have the courage to post under their full name.

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  42. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    And wouldn’t you know,,, another elected LIBERAL gets up to a microphone and claims “regulations create jobs”. Well “our two Steves”,,,, I bet you agree with that too. Some come back and tell us just HOW. And the hiring of people to enforce those regs. don’t count. It takes sticking it to at least 5 private sector jobs to pay for ONE Gov. job.
    How many jobs have you created “our two Steves”? My guess is that Steve E. has run more off than Steve F. ever may claim to have fabricated.

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  43. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    So how do you all feel about Obama’s new Job Czar, GE exec, Jeffery Immelt? Can’t call him a liberal, or a Commie.
    It might help to use the pendulum analogy when thinking about things. Our labor costs historically were high compared to developing countries and developing countries historically were not big consumers and their infrastructure could not support intensive industrialization. As foreign industrial capabilities grew and labor costs stayed relatively cheap our jobs were offshored because corporate shareholders (that’s you and me and the widows and orphans) expect increases in dividends and share prices.
    As workers in those developing countries start making money and buying more products they demand increases for higher wages and costs of living.
    Recently, China has been offshoring labor because their labor costs are rising. So China could experience a slowdown as some other countries enjoy a rising standard of living following the Chinese example.
    Eventually, the pendulum will swing back to the US as we have deflated some of our costs, such as home ownership and wages, and we will get jobs back.
    But new automated facilities built here means less of us will find work.

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  44. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    He fired workers hear, and hired new one over there. At about tenth of the cost. Word is GE has only gave out 500 jobs in the U.S. Nice trade off.

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  45. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Unfortunately, Paul Emery told me that (shock of shocks) George was misrepresenting the Take back the American Dream conference and movement. I was there and here are a couple of pieces of information for you to look at; (1) The Contract for the American Dream
    http://contract.rebuildthedream.com/?rc=rtd_feature and (2) A short video I produced from the “Jobs Not Cuts” Rally, http://www.youtube.com/user/SES2011MPT?feature=mhee
    Frankly, it’s about time that the Progressive Left got its act together in order to beat back the 1% and it’s stranglehold on our economy. Perhaps “Rebuild the Dream” will be the vehicle.

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  46. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Haven’t figured out Progressives ARE the problem?

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  47. Mike Thornton Avatar

    We’re only a problem for the 1%. (And their “dupes”)
    I love the new sign “FOX News: Rich People paying other Rich People to tell Middle Class People to blame Poor People”

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  48. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    I guess you flunked math. Your .99% But nice try. Work on using that decimal point in the right place. No wonder you guys can’t balance a budget.

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  49. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Wish you would have been at the rally!

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