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I don’t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event it’s not that far off.  Reading this morning’s lead piece ‘STAR tests’  in the 18aug11 Union, I was a little put off by the reporter’s opening attempt at logic.

Despite efforts across western Nevada County to improve student test scores, money still matters in the realm of student achievement.

Districts where property values and household income tend to be higher — and where affordable housing is less available — did the best in results of California's Standardized Testing and Reporting program, or STAR, which were released this week.

Since the government can't make more well-to-do parents, the implication here is that we need to continue increasing the per student spending to improve the learning levels of our students.  This policy, of course, has not helped during the last forty years, but then it is the only progressive answer – ‘stasis is good’.  The correlation of household income to student performance has been explained in countless studies – in the aggregate, better earning parents are better educated and therefore support their chidren's education more, which yields better students.

Just so you don’t misunderstand my stand on this, let me say it straight out – we don’t have a student learning crisis, we have a long standing teacher crisis; it is time to get the dummies out of our classrooms, and attract good teaching talent into our schools.  And for icing on the cake, I really do believe that it has been the agenda and accomplishment of this country’s progressives to get unqualified teachers into the profession and keep them there through support of the teachers’ unions.  It's called voter development.

After reading the article I was going to launch into an extended harangue about how Nevada County schools are screwing up.  Family matters intervened and we had to take our last grandkid to the airport to conclude what has been an extended week of enjoying some of our own arrows into the future.  By the time we got back, most of my points had been co-opted pretty well by readers in the wild comment stream to ‘An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots'.  The points there made are worth their own focus and discussion, so I am including here below a few selected and unedited comments (please go to the linked post to see other related comments).


*** Let's look at the STAR results for Nevada County…

First, we've historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students. So we must be doing pretty good in English-Language Arts, right? Well, for our 11th graders, 54% are below grade level.

We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.

The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.

The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.

More county wide totals:
Geometry… 63% below Proficient
Algebra II… 68% below Proficient

http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=29&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1

Don't blame the high schools, the problems start in the elementary schools. If the kid can't write well or manipulate fractions without a calculator, they're entering high school with major handicaps.

Looking at the Grass Valley School District numbers, 48% of 6th graders are below Proficient in Math. Don't be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.

I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:15 AM

*** Here's a good one… NU Technical High School, the school within a school at our large comprehensive high school. 93% of the 15 kids in that group (meaning all but one) are below proficient in English. Fully 53% are Far Below Basic.

NU Tech seems to me to be a holding pen to take kids at risk of making the NUHS stats worse and putting them somewhere to isolate NUHS from that, while still allowing NU to get their daily cash for taking attendance.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:36 AM

[On another matter, Russ Steele continues to highlight the frenetic desire of the local left to insert themselves into NC TPP affairs.  All this attention to a movement they consider withering and worthless is quite remarkable.  gjr]

*** I just posted this at NC Media Watch: Tea Party Patriots — Not a political party, but a state of mind

Our local left is "going postal" as the local Tea Party gains recognition in the community. The TPP was the largest group in the 4th of July Parade. The Tea Party Patriots are holding monthly events, including dinners, luncheons, free movies on critical issues, holding idea exchange forums, hosted a County Fair Booth, and are developing a strong presence on Facebook. They are every where, including attending BOS meetings and meeting one-on-one with Supervisors, City Council members and our local newspaper Publisher.

For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. They keep posting about polling information reported to show declining interest in the Tea Party and what they stand for:

You can read the rest of the post HERE.

Posted by: Russ Steele | 18 August 2011 at 01:38 PM 

 

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225 responses to “Do Our Schools Really Suck? (Working Title)”

  1. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Concerning schools, plastic bags are now going to be back in our state’s school curriculum. Now, can somebody ‘plain this to me. First, plastic baggies were bad cause they drown little fishies and choke little birdies. Now, they are back in vogue. Heck, there are petroleum products in plastic baggies to boot. Poor little critters. Have we become a soulless nation? Those evil greenies should make up their minds. First plastic baggies are a curse, now they are a good thing. If this confuses me, what do you think it does to our mush filled pupils? GEORGE, sorry for being off topic, but I don’t speak French. Did take Italian at Gonzaga, but I got a D and I know how dangerous it is to bring up private religious schools here. Did attend a year at Whitworth College as well, you I guess I am in double trouble, triple in you include being off topic.

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  2. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    My sincere apologizes to Mr. Goodnight and Mr. Keach for interrupting your love fest. I will try to exercise more self control and self discipline. I do have self restraint as well, but I refuse to be a slave them. Again, my remorseful heartfelt apologizes are extended to all.

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  3. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Oh NO Mr. Bill!
    No apologies needed, love your sense of the sardonic.
    if GG were to tune to KVMR right now he’d have enough material to be lamenting the state of the schools for months.

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Looks like Texas has decided misbehavior in school will be solved this way. Good for now but maybe letting the principals and teachers retake the classrooms would be better. But, this is what we have allowed and the justice system replaced them.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/in-texas-schools-a-criminal-response-to-misbehavior/2011/08/04/gIQA5EG9UJ_print.html

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Any updates on Obama the drug dealer or did you make it up?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Read his book.

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  7. paul emery Avatar
    paul emery

    I did. Did you?

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Then you should have the answer. Only you don’t want to acknowledge his words.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh, here is another link that started the whole thing back then. You will notice Obama doesn’t deny.
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/12/clinton-supporter-raises-idea-young-obama-dealing-drugs

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  10. Mikey McD Avatar

    George (and others) have you seen The Cartel?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzIfTmD8UUc
    I highly recommend it.

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  11. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    I love this!
    Oh, here is another link that started the whole thing back then. You will notice Obama doesn’t deny.
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/12/clinton-supporter-raises-idea-young-obama-dealing-drugs
    Todd is citing a Hillary Clinton supporter’s rumor monging in order to support his contention.
    Todd goes for the Reliability and Validity Award of the Day, here.
    Come on, Todd, where’s your direct link to Obama saying, ” I sold drugs ” Guess what, you can’t find one, can you? You give neither the page number(s) in a named book, nor a web site URL. Where’s our favorite rocket science dude screaming about this?

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  12. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    Well Todd, on the Texas situation, I guess you prefer the mild socialism of the traditional public school, instead of the full socialism of having the courts fumbling at handling child rearing, a path I would say is a total disaster. You can’t raise a child by a succession of court dates, it defies common sense and the basic principles of psychology.

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  13. Brad Croul Avatar
    Brad Croul

    Name calling, insults, allegations of wrongdoing, digging up “dirt” on other commenters, –
    maybe this thread should, instead, be posted on Pelline’s blog under the article, “Our Politics are Sick” as symptoms of the illness. Some of the kids here need detention.

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  14. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    Brad,
    It all boils down to a certain somebody wanting smart people to take demanding jobs for low wages and accompanied by demeaning name calling, and then whining about solving the problem by raising the wages through more taxes.
    The reality is that society does tradeoffs. Currently the demand for the “smartest” people is such that, being smart, they go for the additional cash and better working conditions. The second reality is, other jobs, more important crucial jobs, like heart surgery, are most likely beyond the capabilities of the top of the Bell Curve.
    As a side note, however, there have been many instances of the very quickest and very brightest in some areas of cognitive fitness, turn out to be absolutely rotten and at the bottom, when it comes to explaining and passing on what they know in such a way that the less talented can grasp the concepts. For every Richard Feynman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman )there are 100 Mr. Kirkpatrick’s, my Algebra 1 teacher who left each class, facing a wall of blank stares on his students.
    If Kato and the black teddy bear astrophysicist* Neil deGrasse Tyson, were the norm for the ability to teach as well as know their stuff, I’ d agree with Greg. But they aren’t. Having a person wandering around a classroom who makes it very clear to all, that he thinks anyone who is not as smart as he (thinks he is), is despicable, and just doesn’t make it as a learning environment.
    *wife’s term of endearment, she loves him!

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  15. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    And, BTW, with all the calls for recognizing “outstanding teaching talent” I have yet to be introduced to a case in which either:
    the outstanding k-12 teacher makes more than $150,000 teaching a normal school year, no extra duties.
    or:
    an outstanding teacher (1.0 FTE) makes more than the principal (1.0 FTE).
    I thought one of the charms of the charter and private school systems was that it would bring about such professional recognition, someplace in the whole USA? Nice selling point, but like the tile plant at EMGOLD, it ain’t never gonna happen, it’s just window dressing and lip service.
    Incentive. $20 to the first person who can come up with a verifiable case of the above. Aw gee, nobody’s going to collect this time either.

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  16. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    “Having a person wandering around a classroom who makes it very clear to all, that he thinks anyone who is not as smart as he (thinks he is), is despicable, and just doesn’t make it as a learning environment.”
    This is just one minor form of the “knows, but can’t teach” syndrome. There are, I’m sure, thousands of variations. This one just happened to pop into my head at the time of writing.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    So Todd, based on he documentation you offered do you stand by your statement that the President of the United States was in FACT a drug dealer. I will give you an out to say something like “It was rumored…” if you want a way out otherwise, this will be attached to your credibility as a statement of fact as you described it.

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Read his book. I could care less if you put me into a credibility pouch. That is actually kinda funny. Besides Paul, you say many things which I could question relentlessly because you never answer our questions. Gander=goose. Does the pouch have A/C?

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  19. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I read his book some time ago and recall no examples where he or anyone else claimed he was a drug dealer. You must have detailed information to verify such an opinion because you are a pretty detail oriented guy. It’s a pretty serious accusation to state as a fact that the President of the United States was a drug dealer and I doubt you would have said that without factual basis. That’s all I’m asking for is factual grounds for your statement.

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  20. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Having a person wandering around a classroom who makes it very clear to all, that he thinks anyone who is not as smart as he (thinks he is), is despicable, and just doesn’t make it as a learning environment.”
    This is just one minor form of the “knows, but can’t teach” syndrome. There are, I’m sure, thousands of variations. This one just happened to pop into my head at the time of writing.

    I’m sure ideas just pop into your head all the time. Son of Sam comes to mind?
    No Keach, you’re despicable just for who you are. The rest is just the caricature of critics you use to salve your conscience after trying to rip them a new one, without success. The apocryphal ‘smart guy who can’t teach’ is mostly a fable used to denigrate subject expertise, which is more rare than it should be in K-12.
    As Will Rogers once noted, ‘You can’t teach what you don’t know anymore than you can come back from where you ain’t been.’

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  21. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    “As Will Rogers once noted, ‘You can’t teach what you don’t know anymore than you can come back from where you ain’t been.”
    And you certainly can teach 1st and 2nd year algebra and geometry, without having have mastered advanced calculus.
    “subject expertise, which is more rare than it should be in K-12.”
    {…except I absolutely refuse to pay additional taxes to attract better math teachers to accomplish my supposedly supported (but not really) goal.}
    writing inside of {} represents a potential hypothesis about what is going on inside the brain of our favorite rocket scientist, based on the writings coming off his keyboard.

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  22. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Well, Keach, your answer is always just to throw more money into the system, but you have yet to suggest any scheme that holds teachers and schools accountable for results. California has its Academic Performance Index as a measure, but you reject it out of hand.
    Back of the envelope calculation… assume about $7K per year funding per student, and guess about 30 pupils per classroom. That’s about $210K per classroom.
    How much of that pile of cash is going to the teacher doing the work? Is just piling more cash into the system the answer to teacher salary increases?
    In short, the system needs reform, and there is no reason to think the districts in Nevada County operating multiple schools in the bottom decile of the comparison group will do better if we reward mediocrity even more lavishly, and lavish it is.

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  23. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    School taxes are paid statewide, Greg. If you were sincere about solving the problem of too low a salary to attract the “smarter” teachers you so long for, you’d realize, great mathematician that you are, that if you pay the state, then you are also contributing to those schools in the top deciles as well.
    You just don’t like the school system, period, and you don’t want to pay for what you spend so much energy whining about.
    “If you use inferior materials, you get inferior demons…”
    from some long forgotten sci-fi novel, Let’s see if I can find it, using the technique found above.
    Nope, it is not referenced yet, give it time.

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, giving more money to a poorly run school district doesn’t make it better, and giving a poor performing teacher doesn’t force them to teach more effectively. Teaching is the only ‘profession’ that rejects accountability.
    Keachie, why do you reject any accountability? Good teachers have nothing to fear.

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  25. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    I do accept accountability, but I also know that teachers do not work in a social vacuum, like some chemistry gas pressure experiment. To fairly evaluate you would have to spend a fortune, which you don’t want to do, and “off with their heads” is a strategy mastered by Pol Pot, and a simple way out, which probably does more harm than good.
    I’m amazed you don’t sense the evolution of learning that is developing right in front of you. From the Khan Academy to Wolfram’s online solver, MIT, Berkeley, and Stanford all giving courses away for free online, and inexpensive and much superior copies of Mathematica being available, the best and brightest will be leading the stampede to DIY education. In forty years, you will not recognize the public school. It will be a gathering place to compare notes and socialize, and ask pointed questions of teachers, and get credit by testing out. Nothing beat a human watching you to make sure you are not cheating, especially in a windowless Faraday caged room, at a full powered but sandboxed smart terminal.

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  26. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    You might want to be aware that many others have already considered the problems that irk you so much:
    http://www.sfedfund.org/resource_files/AQualityTeacher_English.pdf
    I’m also curious, just how would you “fire every bottom decile teacher” program work? Would the state withhold funds from a district until they did just that? Now we have 10% of the teachers in the state playing musical chairs every year, or, we have to find a way of attracting 25,000 new teachers into the state each year. Are you planning on bringing them in from India? Just how do your solutions work, where the eraser meets the paper? Care to guess what the cost of unemployment from such a scheme might be?

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  27. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “fire every bottom decile teacher” was not one of mine, Keach. Youo’re making stuff up about me again.
    Folks who can’t manage to hold on to teaching jobs with accountability would find something else to do. Districts who can’t manage to attract enough qualified teachers would have to raise salaries. It’s how the world outside of public education works, Keach.
    The cost of six months of unemployment benefits is small compared to the intellectual damage having a lousy teacher does to kids over the span of a “career”.

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar

    California High School Exit Exam (CAHSEE) Results
    for Mathematics and English-Language Arts (ELA)
    by Program (July 2010) for (Grade 12)
    29-Nevada County
    Math Tested: 406, Passed 100 Percentage Passing 25% (State Wide 23%)
    Language-Arts Tested: 340, Passed 114, Percentage Passing 34% (State Wide 25%)
    Nevada County is above the state average, but passing scores below 75%, I would say that Nevada County Schools SUCK!
    More details here

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Your obvious signs of contempt for the teachers in the “bottom decile schools” translates clearly, then, to just what course of action?
    “Districts who can’t manage to attract enough qualified teachers would have to raise salaries. It’s how the world outside of public education works, Keach.”
    And if state doesn’t give them enough money to hire such teachers, I suppose the school districts are then expected to have a fire sale and go out of business, and declare bankruptcy? Because that the way the world outside of public education works? LOL!

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  30. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    As I wrote before, and you’ve tried to ignore it and claim it’s not done anywhere, I suggested schools identify the lowest 5% performers each year (teachers and administrators), remediate them to improve their performance and gently show them the door if they don’t improve. It’s what Cisco and other large companies do, and it can be done in education. It just takes the will to do it.
    Really, Keach, it’s good you aren’t running the schools as all you do is stonewall the problems and try to prove any cure is worse than the disease.

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  31. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    At 200 to 250K flowing into each classroom already, if the districts can’t figure out where the money could be found to increase starting teacher salaries from 40K or so to, say 50K, I’d say there are some administrators who might be bumping up against that 5% boundary.

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  32. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    You know, Russ, I’d have a lot more respect for you if you didn’t try to misrepresent with statistics, by picking those stats of the losers who take the test in July, after failing to make it in time for regular graduation.
    From the Wikipedia description of the CAHSEE:
    “The California High School Exit Exam (CAHSEE) is a requirement for high school graduation in the state of California, created by the California Department of Education to improve the academic performance of California high school students, and especially of high school graduates, in the areas of reading, writing, and mathematics; public school students must pass the exam before they can receive a high school diploma, regardless of any other graduation requirements.[1]
    Students first take the test the beginning of their sophomore year. If they do not pass one or both of the two test sections, then they may retake the section or sections they have not yet passed.[1] Up to eight test opportunities are available to students before the end of their senior year.
    The test was originally intended to be required of students graduating in 2004, but full implementation was delayed until the class of 2006. Approximately nine of every ten students ultimately passed by the end of the 2005-2006 school year.[2] In 2010, 81% of 10th graders passed each of the two sections on their first try.[3]”
    You see folks, the students get up to 8 opportunities to pass the test before graduation, so looking at just one group, as Russ has done, can give the wrong impression.
    Common sense tells us that the stadium was quite crowded on the day of graduation, certainly more than 100 students, and we know you can’t graduate without passing the test. If this is the way you’ll be picking your numbers on your new Grand blog, all they’ll be good for is a random pick on the lottery.
    GG:
    “At 200 to 250K flowing into each classroom already,” that’s totally wrong, Greg, and you know it. The correct statement is: “At 200 to 250K flowing towards each classroom already, “

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  33. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    “As I wrote before, and you’ve tried to ignore it and claim it’s not done anywhere,”
    I’ve never said it wasn’t done in private industry.
    Can you show me where it has been done, as a matter of yearly policy, in a major, 50,000 students or more, school district?

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  34. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    It’s totally right, keach. When a kid walks in the door and says “Here” at attendance, the money has flowed into the classroom. It’s just that not much stays there, and that’s not the fault of taxpayers.

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  35. Keach Avatar
    Keach

    “It’s just that not much stays there, and that’s not the fault of taxpayers.” and it sure as heck is not the fault of the classroom teacher, or their unions, now is it?
    So whose fault is it? Why don’t you take it up with them, or at the legislature level, instead of scapegoating the teachers?

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Don’t forget the parents who allow their children to become vididiot’s

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  37. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, my kid watched lots of tv and turned out just fine.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I’m glad to hear that Greg. I’m a firm supporter of Waldorf education that believes children should watch no television before the age of eight. We have a wonderful Waldorf School in Nevada County, the Yuba River Charter School. I’m a strong supporter of Charter schools and some form of school vouchers to subsidize sending kids to private schools with certain reservations.

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  39. Russ Steele Avatar

    Douglas,
    The article on student scores was in the Sac Bee. They had a link to an interactive page, that allowed the reader to pick a County or District. I selected he County and then reported the results. I would have reported the good and bad, it just turned out it was not good news.
    I am not sure what your were trying to tell us. Are you saying that those taking the test were just the left over double dummies that had not passed in six earlier attempts? You would think that after six tries they could pass at test they had taken and failed before. Testing lets a student know where they are weak, and gives them an opportunity to brush up before the next test.

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  40. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Russ,
    I would have thought that the graduation ceremonies would have been a tipoff for you. With multiple testing dates to pick from, you choose the one with the lowest scores.
    Many kids take these tests and pass them on the very first try, in 10th grade. They no longer need to take them again, so the only ones taking them in July are those who have failed it at least once. They are not required to take the test at each and eevery testing date. What you get in the July test date are those who put it off, and put it off, and then finally after not passing it a second time in May to graduate, try it again.
    There is no law that say you have to graduate from high school, so you could even have a kid who has only taken it the first required time, and never since, or who just twiddled his thumbs while looking at the test. Finally graduation rolls a round, and suddenly they have a change of heart, but it is too late to do anything about all those wasted hours, ignoring the teacher and mastur-texting under desk and denying it, if called on it. What’s a teacher to do, when that’s going on? The kid will deny he even has a cell phone, and you can’t search him, without being accused of, “inappropriate touching,” and violations of ten different rights. And then there’s the rights and honest expectations of the other 35 students to be considered, when dealing with the student, improperly prepared for school, by his parents. Timewasters should be rubber roomed, not teachers.
    Next time, Russ, research a little deeper instead of grabbing the first numbers to warm the cockles of a Tea Party Pat-Symp’s heart.
    You may ask why I bother to post here. I do hope that Paul and others who do not have the time to master the pitfalls of School Statistics reading, will be a little better armed when running into a TPPS who has glib, and true stats, that do not represent the Big Picture in the least.

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  41. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, that explains the reason why the Yuba River Charter School rated a 1 (lowest decile) for its similar schools ranking. In fact, with a base API of 706, Yuba River Charter is on the bottom of its list of 100 similar schools. A very distant last place:
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009BaseSchSS.aspx?allcds=29-10298-0114322&c=R
    Runner up from the bottom is Williams Ranch from our Pleasant Valley district with a base 2009 API of 788. Chicago Park is a respectable middling 4th decile and an API of 849.
    I dated an interesting woman for awhile, a Canadian, who was studying at Steiner College. Some very interesting educational concepts and a very left leaning group of educators. Steiner’s educational theories are pure bunkum and I have mixed feelings about tax money supporting them when they don’t support schools with overtly religious ties.

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  42. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The day the California Dept of Education pays for and uses professional developed and researched demographics, that will be the day your decile rankings might begin to have some meaning and validity in the real world.
    As it is you keep on citing them, and never stating where the schools rank overall in the state. Your notion seems to be that by using the weak sister monometric demographics, self reported no less (how many kids, when they hear what they are to report, quickly invent a degree or two, to keep up with the Jones?), and relying on decile rankings, instead of state overall absolute ratings, you will win some sort of imagined prize.
    I would suggest to Paul and all other parents out, there that you look at the real overall absolute state rankings, and learn enough of them to stuff a potato in the local horse exhaust pipe. Nevada County schools, on average, are NOT below average, at all. Greg and Russ just want to give talking points to their fellow Tea Party Pat-Symps (Tea Party Patriot Sympathizers)
    As the Tea Party itself wants to claim no social agenda, so do many of those who support many of their agenda items like to claim they are not affiliated, so we have to borrow terminology from the John Birch (Daddy Koch-Bucks training wheels for his kids) 1950’s to describe them accurately.

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  43. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Russ, the CAHSEE is a test of elementary school knowledge and skills. A kid on track in can take it once at the beginning of the 10th grade and pass; about 4 of 5 do. While it falls short of what most folk might see as a reasonable requirement for a high school diploma, actually withholding that many diplomas would be politically impossible.
    Keachie, it isn’t scapegoating to suggest the worst teachers should be identified and shown the door. They are a major impediment to a quality education, and if a kid is unlucky enough to get two or three lousy teachers in a row in the primary grades they may never recover to rise to anything close to their potential.

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  44. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keachie, I’ve never been a Tea Party supporter or sympathizer. Another one of your little slanders.
    The State Dept. of Ed does indeed put much thought and effort into these reports, but the day Keachie admits this to himself and everyone else is the day Keachie has to stop making excuses for his profession and clean house.

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  45. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    Of course they modified the curriculum for the Yuba Charter school to eliminate religious issues. That issue was challenged a few years ago in a lawsuit that failed and cost the school big dollars to defend.
    In my opinion the value of Waldorf education doesn’t show up in test scores because they have a different timetable than most schools for educational development.
    If you support Charter schools you have to accept that many will have a curriculum that you don’t agree with. That’s the way it should be. Parents attend by choice and that creates great diversity in our schools. Charters schools and some kind of voucher system are the true alternative to state controlled dogma and I am a big supporter.

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    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, among other things, Algebra 1 is not taught in elementary school:
    “Russ, the CAHSEE is a test of elementary school knowledge and skills.”
    “Examination Content and Format
    The ELA part of the CAHSEE is aligned with the California ELA academic content standards through grade ten. The ELA part of the CAHSEE consists of multiple-choice questions and a writing task. The reading portion includes vocabulary; reading comprehension; analysis of information and literary texts. The writing portion covers writing strategies, applications, and conventions. The writing task calls for students to provide a written response to literature, to an informational passage, or to a writing prompt.
    The mathematics part of the CAHSEE is aligned with the California mathematics academic content standards through the first part of Algebra I. The mathematics part of the CAHSEE consists of multiple-choice questions. It includes the following mathematic strands: statistics; data analysis and probability; number sense; measurement and geometry; mathematical reasoning; and algebra. Students must demonstrate strong computational skills and a foundation in arithmetic, including working with decimals, fractions, and percentages. ”
    “and clean house.” It is not my job to evaluate teachers, ask any principal.

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    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, K-8 is elementary school, and it is an 8th grade subject by the California standards and those of a number of other states. Yes, your Waldorf school managed to shed enough Anthroposophy to meet a legal test for religion, but from what I read it probably shouldn’t have.
    However, 709 is truly bottom of the barrel API. The kids may or may not have a wonderful humanist base. It’s a shame there is no public data on how many of the Waldorfed kids from Yuba River Charter manage to graduate from high school.
    Keachie, you want to have your cake and eat it, too. You and your union fight against any standards of accountability, and kids keep failing.

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  48. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Sorry, that should have been addressed to Keachie. Even at the GVSD, there are a significant number of kids taking Algebra 1 in the 7th grade and, not surprisingly, they have the largest percentage testing Advanced.
    Algebra 1 is also an 8th grade subject at Grass Valley’s own St.Sensible, Mount Saint Mary Academy.

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  49. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, if you want to make yourself useful, post the total standing, not the decile standings, and reference that when you want to see how successful a school is. Make yourself even more useful. Start wailing about the fact that the state does not use commonly readable files for their download formats. No direct to Excel mode, plus an obscure format that brings up my CS3 Flash from Adobe, and so on. What the average citizen to do?
    California voters support taxing the richest 1%, 1% more. 78 percent of Californians support such a tax:
    http://www.tulchinresearch.com/2011/03/31/cft-ca-voters-support-raising-taxes-on-the-wealthy/

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  50. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    What are the K – 6th grade schools in the county? There must be at least one or two. After all, what is the enrollment of the middle schools? Most people understand “elementary” to mean k – 6th, Greg.

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