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I don’t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event it’s not that far off.  Reading this morning’s lead piece ‘STAR tests’  in the 18aug11 Union, I was a little put off by the reporter’s opening attempt at logic.

Despite efforts across western Nevada County to improve student test scores, money still matters in the realm of student achievement.

Districts where property values and household income tend to be higher — and where affordable housing is less available — did the best in results of California's Standardized Testing and Reporting program, or STAR, which were released this week.

Since the government can't make more well-to-do parents, the implication here is that we need to continue increasing the per student spending to improve the learning levels of our students.  This policy, of course, has not helped during the last forty years, but then it is the only progressive answer – ‘stasis is good’.  The correlation of household income to student performance has been explained in countless studies – in the aggregate, better earning parents are better educated and therefore support their chidren's education more, which yields better students.

Just so you don’t misunderstand my stand on this, let me say it straight out – we don’t have a student learning crisis, we have a long standing teacher crisis; it is time to get the dummies out of our classrooms, and attract good teaching talent into our schools.  And for icing on the cake, I really do believe that it has been the agenda and accomplishment of this country’s progressives to get unqualified teachers into the profession and keep them there through support of the teachers’ unions.  It's called voter development.

After reading the article I was going to launch into an extended harangue about how Nevada County schools are screwing up.  Family matters intervened and we had to take our last grandkid to the airport to conclude what has been an extended week of enjoying some of our own arrows into the future.  By the time we got back, most of my points had been co-opted pretty well by readers in the wild comment stream to ‘An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots'.  The points there made are worth their own focus and discussion, so I am including here below a few selected and unedited comments (please go to the linked post to see other related comments).


*** Let's look at the STAR results for Nevada County…

First, we've historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students. So we must be doing pretty good in English-Language Arts, right? Well, for our 11th graders, 54% are below grade level.

We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.

The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.

The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.

More county wide totals:
Geometry… 63% below Proficient
Algebra II… 68% below Proficient

http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=29&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1

Don't blame the high schools, the problems start in the elementary schools. If the kid can't write well or manipulate fractions without a calculator, they're entering high school with major handicaps.

Looking at the Grass Valley School District numbers, 48% of 6th graders are below Proficient in Math. Don't be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.

I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:15 AM

*** Here's a good one… NU Technical High School, the school within a school at our large comprehensive high school. 93% of the 15 kids in that group (meaning all but one) are below proficient in English. Fully 53% are Far Below Basic.

NU Tech seems to me to be a holding pen to take kids at risk of making the NUHS stats worse and putting them somewhere to isolate NUHS from that, while still allowing NU to get their daily cash for taking attendance.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:36 AM

[On another matter, Russ Steele continues to highlight the frenetic desire of the local left to insert themselves into NC TPP affairs.  All this attention to a movement they consider withering and worthless is quite remarkable.  gjr]

*** I just posted this at NC Media Watch: Tea Party Patriots — Not a political party, but a state of mind

Our local left is "going postal" as the local Tea Party gains recognition in the community. The TPP was the largest group in the 4th of July Parade. The Tea Party Patriots are holding monthly events, including dinners, luncheons, free movies on critical issues, holding idea exchange forums, hosted a County Fair Booth, and are developing a strong presence on Facebook. They are every where, including attending BOS meetings and meeting one-on-one with Supervisors, City Council members and our local newspaper Publisher.

For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. They keep posting about polling information reported to show declining interest in the Tea Party and what they stand for:

You can read the rest of the post HERE.

Posted by: Russ Steele | 18 August 2011 at 01:38 PM 

 

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225 responses to “Do Our Schools Really Suck? (Working Title)”

  1. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF re your 655am. It appears that you may have it backwards. It is the progressives who have constantly trumpeted that ‘America is broken’, and then passed heaps of new laws, regulations, abetted by increased spending through taxes, fees, and borrowing to implement nostrums to make things right. The perusal of any liberal website or blog will demonstrate this.
    On the other hand, it is the conservatives who want to save what is left of America, and, if possible, return to a more fiscally responsible lifestyle that re-establishes liberties lost.
    We don’t claim that America, per se, “sucks”; we leave such claims to mainstream progressives like First Lady Michelle Obama and her ‘first time proud’ proclamations.

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  2. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, it could be a debate if you would curb your Keachie more often.
    While NU and BR could both stand to lose their bottom of the bottom of the barrel instructors, the main problems are not of their making. You can’t take kids from bottom decile feeder schools and turn them into average performers. They come in after 9 years of poor instruction and only have four years before the free K-12 ride is over.
    Any kid not reading at grade level at the beginning of the 2nd grade needs intervention but there are still many whole language believers in the teacher ranks. That may be especially true in the GVSD; in the mid 90’s one of the teachers clued my wife (who was jumping through the teacher certification hoops at the time) into the fact that the Byerrum/Brown team made it clear you either believed or you would be out, and so many of their best, most experience teachers left. Only the constructivists (an ed theory behind whole language and whole math) were left, and only constructivists got hired. Even when phonics was mandated by the Dems in the legislature, the GVSD was just giving it lip service and teaching ‘see and guess’.

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  3. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I believe Keachie’s contend-free insulting combativeness will never cease as long as he is able to fling his words into the fan. Or get banned from this blog as he has so many others.
    TheUnion had to put his sock puppets in the penalty box over and over. You should too.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Me curb Keachie dear GregG?! That is no more possible than unstirring creamed coffee. All I can do is banish him, and he hasn’t crossed that line yet – although he does play tootsie with the boundary now and again. He has to turn the knobs on his own head, for I have no purchase there.
    But I do wish you both would put some structure into your debate. That would make it easier for sideliners like me to follow your arguments. I for one am very interested in your renditions of local school history, in addition to how a conservative and liberal each sees a good future unfolding for our kids.

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  5. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Jeez, look who”s talking Greg.
    Lets’ see, the 4th, 14th, sucks, 16th, and 17th amendments all sucks, the FED sucks, the Supreme Court’s decisions suck, the Court’s interpretation of the commerce clause sucks, the general welfare clause sucks, minimum wage sucks, child labor laws suck, Social Security sucks, Medicare sucks, Medicaid sucks, the Voting Rights Act sucks, the Civil Rights Act sucks, the graduated income tax sucks, corporate taxes suck, capital gains taxes suck, Rowe v. Wade sucks, universal health care sucks, estate taxes suck, the Department’s of Energy-Agriculture-Education-Environmental Protection suck, the independent power of the judiciary sucks,……I could go on.
    Seems like you conservatives really think that a lot about this country sucks, which just makes me wonder why the hell didn’t you all just move to Mexico after the Civil War (or the War of Southern Independence as you called it), as Jeff Davis wanted, and take over there?
    Finally, you, George, would like the ability to band together in self selected communities of similar interest and ideology, as you stated in you “Great Divide” thread; and never answered the question about how one could do that and guarantee constitutionally granted rights to everyone–it is a physical impossibility.
    Progressives have attempted to change America at times precisely because they are Patriots and love our country, and believe we are a forward looking people seeking to meet the goals of our founders–and even retaining the right to set a few of our own goals as Thomas Jefferson envisioned, at times; just like you tea party people claim.
    So, you don’t get to claim the mantle of “saving America”. A lot of Patriotic, hard working, rock ribbed American’s want what I want, and I am a Patriot.
    By the way, you must have missed Michele Bachman saying the other day that she was “finally proud” of America. I guess you were all too busy complaining about Michelle Obama promoting breastfeeding as a socialist plot to indoctrinate lactating mothers.

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  6. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Yes, dear George. For example, this example of Keachie’s “debate” style that I’ve flagged multiple times for you, in the thread and (iirc) in email:

    Greg Goodknight comes under the heading of which of these?
    A scholastic catastrophe?
    Unsportmanlike conduct?
    A poorly drawn comic?
    A drama queen?
    There is no such usage involved in this case, only an identity reveal of a minor of the type Greg was such a crybaby about on The Union commenter pages [R.I.P. free speech].
    Greg, grow a pair [snip]
    20 August 2011 at 07:59 AM

    Since it remains, I am left to wonder if you’re just taking a page from RLC’s Pelline-as-Cartman cartoon and enjoying the fireworks and increasing blog traffic.
    There can be no debate as long as a provocateur like Keachie can sully the waters here in a series of hit and runs.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    Let’s let the rest of it stand for now SteveF.
    But re “Finally, you, George, would like the ability to band together in self selected communities of similar interest and ideology, as you stated in you “Great Divide” thread; and never answered the question about how one could do that and guarantee constitutionally granted rights to everyone–it is a physical impossibility.”
    You seem not to recall that it was I who first asked the unanswered, ‘Do people of like mind have the right to establish and live in communities with other like minded people?’ There is no point in discussing the ‘how?’ if one first proscribes their establishment.
    But I am ignorant of where in the Constitution it prevents the establishment of such communities.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    GregG – you’re defending a hill not attacked. I never disagreed with your interpretation of DougK’s repartee, only with your prescription as to its disposition. In private emails, I have advised you possible remedies thereto, which IMHO you should try.

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Since “it is time to curb your Keachie,” doesn’t cross the line, then I can only assume that, “it is time for Snoopy to get his rabies shots,” makes it under the wire too.
    “Curse you, Keachie Baron!”

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Yes, dear George. For example, this example of Keachie’s “debate” style that I’ve flagged multiple times for you, in the thread and (iirc) in email:”
    Of course Greg left out the first part of this exchanged which referenced him as the perp in a stranger reveal of a minor’s school site, and your complicity in attempting to over up with a dodge to schools, participants in public events, and the reveals of names, a totally different animal.

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  11. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    BTW, George, I’ve never been a Conservative, nor, in a small room with alcohol flowing, has a Conservative chosen to accept me as a fellow traveler, although I am more fun to for a conservative to drink with than most leftist social democrats are.
    I am a liberal waiting for the label to return to its original meaning.
    Keachie will just throw bombs until you ban him. He might learn to curb his baser instincts if he was worried you’d actually provide adult supervision, but he doesn’t seem to have a rational bone in his body and seemingly can only pretend to be an adult when he has to.
    Do me a favor, George. Delete the post that post; it is ONLY a collection of ad hominems that, were they directed against you, would have gotten removed quickly.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “I have advised you possible remedies thereto, which IMHO you should try.”
    Did you include “kiss and make up?”
    I’m willing to eliminate all derogatory innuendos in the future, but first Greg must retract the “First Blood” he irrationally drew in regards my status as a teacher and an intellect. That’s where it all began.

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  13. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Keachie’s style is to inundate a thread with his words. Similar to Frisch. They have perfected a style to irritate. I would suggest they do it all over the place and DK perfected his irritating style on the Union comments. Rather than encourage them I do my best to not pay attention to them. They are simply trolls and they need people to engage so they feel more important to themselves. They probably should seek some form of help. Frisch especially on m blog uses sock puppets on a daily basis to attack me. I think it is kind of funny. Greg, I have a lot of respect for your smarts and you are definitely smarter than them. Don’t let them suck you into their goofy world.

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Wow.” I wonder how many hundreds or even thousands of children’s names were printed in The Union, along with the school they attend, in the short time Pelline was The Editor. I doubt he objected.
    George, I’d love to have structure to a debate here, but it’s Keachie’s MOA to vandalize any discussion that doesn’t go his way, which is almost all of them. You can have a reasoned discussion, or Keachie. There’s not much in between besides what you are getting.

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  15. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Frisch especially on m blog” Where’s the m blog? I know the r blog and p blog, but not the m blog.
    I see GG apparently wishes to continue the innuendo war he started so long ago. If that’s his version of a “reasoned discussion,” good luck!

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  16. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Lets’ see, the 4th, 14th, sucks, 16th, and 17th amendments all sucks, the FED sucks, the Supreme Court’s decisions suck, the Court’s interpretation of the commerce clause sucks, the general welfare clause sucks, minimum wage sucks, child labor laws suck, Social Security sucks, Medicare sucks, Medicaid sucks, the Voting Rights Act sucks, the Civil Rights Act sucks, the graduated income tax sucks, corporate taxes suck, capital gains taxes suck, Rowe v. Wade sucks, universal health care sucks, estate taxes suck, the Department’s of Energy-Agriculture-Education-Environmental Protection suck, the independent power of the judiciary sucks,……I could go on.

    Yes, Steve, you could go on and on, and it would be as off the point, not to mention false, as your start. You’re describing the caricatures you carry around in your head, not any real person or group.
    Steve, if you had the choice, would you send your kids (assuming you have any) to an elementary district that, for your socioeconomic group, promotes children into high school with a 900 API (a measure created by the mostly Democrats in the state Ed department), or the 778 of Scotten School in the GVSD?
    Take your time.

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  17. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “for your socioeconomic group, ”
    still hanging onto a flawed metric, I see….

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    For the record, and for those who have cared to follow the disclosure stream of my socio-political philosophy (ideology?) in these pages, I too am a liberal in the classical sense of Frederic Bastiat, whose triangle of rights forms the political bastion of RR. (Click on ‘About the BTA’, upper right column.)

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  19. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Todd, I have never used a sock puppet, or anything other than my own real name, on any blog, since I made the statement on the Union blog about 3 years ago that I was coming out against all internet anonymity. Your allegation, repeatedly made, is patently false. I am proud to sign my name, and speak my mind, unlike more than one caustic half-wit on your blog.

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  20. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Yes, George is a liberal in the sense that the name of the following tradition bears that banner:
    “Around the mid-19th Century, the French liberal banner was carried by a group of academic and writers which we shall refer to as the journalistes (they were also known as the laissez-faire ultras or the Paris Group). The central figures in this movement include Michel Chevalier, Jean-Gustave Courcelle-Seneuil and Gustave de Molinari. Their advocacy of laissez-faire economic policy was even more extreme than their Anglo-Saxon counterparts and their influence on government policy was unmatched anywhere else. Only in the battle for the hearts and minds of the French population did their socialist rivals register any success, but even that quickly waned after the debacle of 1848 and the formation of the Second Empire under Napoleon III. . It was during this time that popular laissez-faire satirist Frédéric Bastiat had his greatest hits.
    In order to ensure that economics of any other persuasion could not take root in France, the orthodox liberals exercised an iron grip over the economics profession. In 1842, they founded the Société d’Économie Politique and the highly-influential Journal des économistes. They also controlled the publishing house of Guillaumin, which produced Coquelin’s famous Dictionnaire d’économie politique (1852), restating economic debates from a liberal slant.
    Throughout the Second Empire, most positions in French universities were filled by orthodox liberals. The prestigious research perch at the Collège de France remained in their hands from its creation in 1831 until the next century — passing from J.B. Say to Rossi to Chevalier to Leroy-Beaulieu. They also controlled the economics section of the all-powerful Institut de France, the academy of sciences that looms over so much of French intellectual life.
    We should also note that already by the 1830s, the French Liberal School had jettisoned serious economic theory. Most of the journalistes focused on the art of economic policy, allowing a loose sort “supply-and-demand” logic to guide their thinking without adhering to any specific foundations. Serious economic theory — especially of the mathematical kind — was pursued by lone figures such as Augustin Cournot and Auguste Walras and engineers like Jules Dupuit. But the liberal school could not tolerate this on methodological grounds. Their concerted assault on Cournot and Walras (père and fils) crushed these men and drove their works into the underground. The engineers were spared only because they were safely sheltered by the grandes écoles, the only academic institutions not controlled by the orthodox liberals.
    The liberals’ fall from grace came slowly after 1878, when chairs in political economy were established in law faculties throughout France. These were filled mostly by members of the French Historical School. Thereafter, France veered in an empirical direction in its economics and a corporatist direction in its policy proposals. The Journal des economistes’s monopoly was broken in 1887 by the considerably more pluralist Revue d’économie politique.”
    Yup, sounds like George et amis would fit right in.

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  21. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Regarding our schools, it is plain as the day that every single poster here (myself included) has missed the single most important point affecting our schools, our children, our country, and our life on earth as we know it. The issue that has reached critical mass and the point of diminishing returns is schools buses. Yep, millions upon millions of precious education resources are being wasted on maintaining fleets of school buses. Think of the valuable education dollars being siphoned off from Johnnie’s classroom to operate this abomination of a military sized network of school buses across our great nation, aka: The Yellow Peril. The toxins spewing out near every school from these gross polluters is destroying our environment, little Johnnie’s air, and the health our our cute little students. Never mind their heads are being filled with mush. Unless we put an end to school buses on our roads, our planet will heat up exponentially, fry us like a Frito and knock Earth off its axis hurling us aimlessly into outer space. Ever think about that? This whole thread of “liar, liar, pants on fire”, Star results, teachers’ salaries, and who had the biggest hooters in 6th grade will be a mute point when we are destroyed by school buses. The Yellow Peril must be stopped.

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Uh,oh, I have competition for, “Best Sense of Humor.”

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  23. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, have your eyes opened? Mention Bastiat and you het 500 words copied from somewhere regarding every frenchman of the time besides Bastiat to show what a fool you are.
    Keach, I’m sure you give great attendance. Homeroom would be fine.

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  24. George Rebane Avatar

    Agreed GregG. DougK, have no idea where you got that little cut and paste, but rest assured that Bastiat (died 1850) and his liberal cohort failed miserably to provide a productive direction to the French economy. Another example of alternate realities.

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  25. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, are you too simple minded to copy any fairly long sequence out of that, paste it into Google advanced search, exact quote, and find the source?
    Let’s try, for example, the part with the dude you claimed isn’t in there.
    “It was during this time that popular laissez-faire satirist Frédéric Bastiat had his greatest hits.”
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    http://www.newschool.edu/nssr/het/schools/frenchlib.htm – Cached
    It was during this time that popular laissez-faire satirist Frédéric Bastiat had his greatest hits. In order to ensure that economics of any other …

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  26. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Keach, I’m sure you give great attendance. Homeroom would be fine. ”
    A sexually laden slur from the great Hoohoo in the Sky. What class he has….but he knows so little about school he fails at taking attendance even. Exit stage right….

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) is detested by the collectivist outreach that was legitimized for a while during the French Revolution, and then simmered through successive upheavals of the French state until given a philosophical basis by Marx & Engels. Bastiat was only seen as a “satirist” by those in government whose policies he piqued with his clear descriptions of their folly. They are as valid today as the day they were penned.
    From the Austrian school – http://mises.org/about/3227

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Bastiat (died 1850) and his liberal cohort failed miserably to provide a productive direction to the French economy. ”
    So just which, if any, liberal cohort does Bastiat actually belong to, if none of those listed in that article?
    I do understand that you are very fond of your interpretation of him as a liberal, but it is worth noting, that, in connection with modern times, there are almost as many hits for ” CONSERVATIVE FREDERIC BASTIAT ” as there are for ” LIBERAL FREDERIC BASTIAT ” . Can you find me a sitting Congressperson who is a Democrat who supports Bastiat ?

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    I’m afraid you misunderstood me DougK. Bastiat is not of the modern liberal ilk, but of the classical. Today he would probably be called a conservative or even with a tinge of libertarian thrown in; perhaps, he would even consider himself to be an appropriate blend like me – a conservetarian.
    And I would never expect any Democrat to honor the beliefs of Bastiat, in Congress or out.

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  30. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    This is beginning to sound like a gay vs Christian definition of marriage type of argument over the meaning of the word “is.”
    I’m done.
    George is an 18th or 19th century classical liberal, a school of thought that has nothing to do with either music, or the traditions of Liberals like Fiorello La Guardia, the Kennedys, or Obama.
    If it pleases George to call his chief philosopher a liberal, so be it. Nobody owns the word, just as nobody owns the word, “marriage.”

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  31. George Rebane Avatar

    You do me too great an honor DougK. It is not I who labeled F. Bastiat a (now “classical”) liberal, but more renowned political historians. He was already given that appellation at the turn of the last century.
    http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/B/BAS/frederic-bastiat.html
    I am merely a student who applied the established label to myself when I discovered that my beliefs matched theirs. However, I will gladly maintain that position in your eyes if you wish.

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  32. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Doug, knowing the history of political philosophy is part of this debate, and Basiat, whose The Law is a classic of 19th century political philosophy, is classified as a “classical liberal”, which is akin to Georges “conservatarian”, …………………a moniker I hope does not catch on since it sounds like the right wing is feasting on conservationists.

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    LOL. We do eat them for lunch. A little cheese, a slice of onion and a sip of whine. Yummm!

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    By the way Todd, can you document this quote atributed to you in NC Media Watch
    “Of course they never did the same to the self proclaimed cocaine user/dealer in the White House.”
    Were you referring to Obama?

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Good one, Steven!
    Did right wing velociraptors run around in circles?
    Maybe that’s why they went extinct. The circles kept get tighter and tighter until one day they ran….
    Old joke from Coach Chesney, Buzz Ostrom’s colleague at Sierra College back in the day, updated to Jurassic Park.

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul, Obama admitted to it in his book.

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    Todd Juvinall
  38. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Of course they never did the same to the self proclaimed cocaine user/dealer in the White House.”
    He did admit to using in the distant past, so will 60% or more of the American public. He never admitted to being a dealer. The article you referenced makes only a reference to “user.”
    He is not dealing drugs out of the White House.
    Now here’s my solution to our current economic crisis:
    Require that a staff of trained USA citizen operators be at the beck and call of any business person attempting to fill out any governmental form, and that the wait time is never longer than 3 minutes. If the trained operator and the 2 supervisors above him or her, are unable to find the answers and fill out the form inside of two hours, the business person is exempt from that regulation for 1 year.
    The business person must be the highest ranking staff member of the business, the owner is preferred, so this would be only applicable to small businesses.
    Business person must be able to email all relevant information in a timely manner, and a video link is preferred.

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  39. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That is well known but where do you find he was a dealer?

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  40. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, Keachie usually justs quotes from Wikipedia (unattributed without links, of course), so I went and checked. Yes, indeed, Bastiat is placed firmly in the classic liberalism camp, in a very august group, and didn’t fit Keach’s requirement for a bludgeon to use against you:
    John Locke · Adam Smith
    Adam Ferguson
    Thomas Jefferson
    Thomas Paine · David Hume
    Baron de Montesquieu
    Jeremy Bentham
    Thomas Malthus
    Wilhelm von Humboldt
    Frederic Bastiat
    John Stuart Mill · Thomas Hill Green
    Leonard Trelawny Hobhouse
    John Maynard Keynes
    Bertrand Russell
    Ludwig von Mises
    Friedrich Hayek · Isaiah Berlin
    Joel Feinberg
    John Rawls · Robert Nozick
    In the text, Bastiat is seen as the precursor to the von Mises/Hayek/Friedman Austrian School of economics.
    Personally, I also put Locke on the top (reading his 2nd Treatise as a college freshman, part of the school’s Quest for Commonwealth sequence) with Jefferson, Smith, von Mises and Hayek not far behind. I’m not sure how Bertrand Russell got in there.
    Keachie might be interested in the definition of “liberal” that a woman I met for coffee (before I remarried) had. A self described communist, she described a liberal as ‘someone who was for the government giving people money’, which does suit New Deal/Modern American liberalism to a “T”.
    I prefer Milton Friedman’s version of the term. Uncle Milty also believed in school choice, via vouchers. Still a good idea. There will not be healthy secular k-12 private schools for the middle and lower classes until the money flows to where the parents want the child to be educated.

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  41. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “And I would never expect any Democrat to honor the beliefs of Bastiat, in Congress or out.”
    George, they used to, before the FDR/New Deal wing of the party rose to power and the anti-Federalists who are now called libertarians became politically homeless.
    IIRC Keachie was a History major. How could one get a degree in history from Berkeley without a clue about the Enlightenment?

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    Douglas Keachie

    You recall incorrectly, Greg, and Ronald Reagan says so.
    Obviously you did not follow the link I outlined for you, and went instead elsewhere. I wasn’t bludgeoning George, I was just curious to see how he went about apparently adopting the “liberal” label.
    You’ll note that I provided what I initially found out of 1/2 a million hits, which seemed likely, and then asked for clarification.

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  43. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    And I would assume at this time that Mr. Goodknight will no longer consider his college a “top secret.”
    http://www.hmc.edu/newsandevents/TheodoreWaldman.html

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    George, Mr. Goodknight usually just quotes from Wikipedia (unattributed without links, of course) just as he did in the post above, where he accuses me of this supposedly mortal sin.
    Why this is so critical to him I’ll never know. I’ve been using the strategy I outlined above, for years and years, to find anything in its original location, in seconds, unless it has been reposted over and over again.

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    Douglas Keachie

    In chasing down the Austrian School, I found a rather interesting set of graphs on health care spending. I always wondered why the right likes to use Britain as an example of “bad” socialized medicine, and never mentions the rest of Europe, except in passing, and with no numbers attached. Well, here you go. Of the comparisons found here, Britain spends the least .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Austria

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  46. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    It was attributed, Keach. I said it was wikipedia.
    Considering his recent discovery from contrasting Austrian School economic thought with modern Austrian healthcare, he may be equally surprised that Mayor Rahm Emmanuel doesn’t follow the Chicago School of economics which involves “A deep commitment to rigorous scholarship and open academic debate, an uncompromising belief in the usefulness and insight of neoclassical price theory, and a normative position that favors and promotes economic liberalism and free markets.”
    Link to guess where.
    Folks, this is why “critical thinking” is such a useless exercise in many high schools; it takes a great deal of intellectual capital to be able to string together thoughts to make up a premise leading to a conclusion, and even their teachers tend towards a superficial understanding.

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    Greg Goodknight

    Regarding QC, LOL!
    My alma mater has never been a secret, Keach. It was, however, against TheUnion blog rules to cite what you know of someone outside of TheUnion blog. So you kept getting bounced for that and other intentional violations of the rules they set up. Actions by you and Michael Anderson were the unwitting cause of the hardening of those rules, and what was sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander. As Bugs was wont to say, “What a maroon! What an ignoranimus!”
    Ruminants reading this may be interested to know that Keach has brother whom he apparently has a hard time relating to, and said brother was a Stanford grad in electrical engineering. Keach seems to have projected his anger onto me as a convenient stand-in for his bro who got into Stanford while Keach had to settle for Cal.
    This is pathological, reason won’t stop Keachie. It’s about finally winning an argument.

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Again, Mr. Goodknight displays his amazing ignorance of all things Keachie. Elder brother, is still alive, and did graduate Stanford with BS in Engineering, have you been able to track his illustrious career yet? Aside from that school tidbit, the rest is very confused, and way off base, when compared to reality. I would no more switch places with brother than I would Khdaffy. Mr. Goodknight should stick to engineering, something he is supposed to be good at, rather than psych.
    For starters, other than having engineering degrees and being pilots, I would say they have nothing in common. Even as pilots, two different realms as brother only liked gliders. Did get his instructors rating, though. Brother is definitely not as whiny.
    I had no inclination to go to Stanford, my preference would have been CU at Boulder, settled for what we could afford that was close to the snow, Sierra College, and then back to Berkeley, sex, drugs, rock and roll, and low budget, but wonderful jaunts to Aspen, Sun Valley, Jackson Hole, Snowbird, etc. Winter Quarters were not meant to be spent in school.

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    Greg Goodknight

    “In chasing down the Austrian School”…
    You weren’t looking to understand what is meant by the Austrian School, were you Keach? As usual, you were just looking for something to change the conversation, which was ‘do our schools really suck?’
    They do, and you’re a big part of the reason why.
    Bastiat was a liberal. So was Jefferson, Smith, Locke, von Mises, Hayek and a host of others who have nothing to do with New Deal or other social democratic welfare states.

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  50. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Bastiat was a liberal. So was Jefferson, Smith, Locke, von Mises, Hayek and a host of others who have nothing to do with New Deal or other social democratic welfare states.”
    Well I see you’ve returned to the couch, Mr. Goodknight.
    Now if Bastiat is a liberal, and you and George seem to identify with him to a certain extent, and quite a few of the Tea Party folks are out there slandering, libeling, and generally goofing off with the monniker, I can see why it may have affected your thinking processes. George seems however, to have some sort of immunity that you lack. Why do you think that is the case? How do you feel about it. Would you like a hug?

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