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I don’t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event it’s not that far off.  Reading this morning’s lead piece ‘STAR tests’  in the 18aug11 Union, I was a little put off by the reporter’s opening attempt at logic.

Despite efforts across western Nevada County to improve student test scores, money still matters in the realm of student achievement.

Districts where property values and household income tend to be higher — and where affordable housing is less available — did the best in results of California's Standardized Testing and Reporting program, or STAR, which were released this week.

Since the government can't make more well-to-do parents, the implication here is that we need to continue increasing the per student spending to improve the learning levels of our students.  This policy, of course, has not helped during the last forty years, but then it is the only progressive answer – ‘stasis is good’.  The correlation of household income to student performance has been explained in countless studies – in the aggregate, better earning parents are better educated and therefore support their chidren's education more, which yields better students.

Just so you don’t misunderstand my stand on this, let me say it straight out – we don’t have a student learning crisis, we have a long standing teacher crisis; it is time to get the dummies out of our classrooms, and attract good teaching talent into our schools.  And for icing on the cake, I really do believe that it has been the agenda and accomplishment of this country’s progressives to get unqualified teachers into the profession and keep them there through support of the teachers’ unions.  It's called voter development.

After reading the article I was going to launch into an extended harangue about how Nevada County schools are screwing up.  Family matters intervened and we had to take our last grandkid to the airport to conclude what has been an extended week of enjoying some of our own arrows into the future.  By the time we got back, most of my points had been co-opted pretty well by readers in the wild comment stream to ‘An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots'.  The points there made are worth their own focus and discussion, so I am including here below a few selected and unedited comments (please go to the linked post to see other related comments).


*** Let's look at the STAR results for Nevada County…

First, we've historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students. So we must be doing pretty good in English-Language Arts, right? Well, for our 11th graders, 54% are below grade level.

We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.

The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.

The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.

More county wide totals:
Geometry… 63% below Proficient
Algebra II… 68% below Proficient

http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=29&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1

Don't blame the high schools, the problems start in the elementary schools. If the kid can't write well or manipulate fractions without a calculator, they're entering high school with major handicaps.

Looking at the Grass Valley School District numbers, 48% of 6th graders are below Proficient in Math. Don't be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.

I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:15 AM

*** Here's a good one… NU Technical High School, the school within a school at our large comprehensive high school. 93% of the 15 kids in that group (meaning all but one) are below proficient in English. Fully 53% are Far Below Basic.

NU Tech seems to me to be a holding pen to take kids at risk of making the NUHS stats worse and putting them somewhere to isolate NUHS from that, while still allowing NU to get their daily cash for taking attendance.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:36 AM

[On another matter, Russ Steele continues to highlight the frenetic desire of the local left to insert themselves into NC TPP affairs.  All this attention to a movement they consider withering and worthless is quite remarkable.  gjr]

*** I just posted this at NC Media Watch: Tea Party Patriots — Not a political party, but a state of mind

Our local left is "going postal" as the local Tea Party gains recognition in the community. The TPP was the largest group in the 4th of July Parade. The Tea Party Patriots are holding monthly events, including dinners, luncheons, free movies on critical issues, holding idea exchange forums, hosted a County Fair Booth, and are developing a strong presence on Facebook. They are every where, including attending BOS meetings and meeting one-on-one with Supervisors, City Council members and our local newspaper Publisher.

For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. They keep posting about polling information reported to show declining interest in the Tea Party and what they stand for:

You can read the rest of the post HERE.

Posted by: Russ Steele | 18 August 2011 at 01:38 PM 

 

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225 responses to “Do Our Schools Really Suck? (Working Title)”

  1. Shannon Pelline Avatar
    Shannon Pelline

    George,
    We did not authorize the release of this information here. Don’t you understand the difference?
    Again, we ask that you remove that post for privacy reasons.
    Thanks.

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  2. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    George, there’s a heckova difference between you bragging about your own kids on you own blog, and a stranger using confidential information to further his own inappropriate agendas.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Ms Pelline – your husband is an unfortunate public figure in this community. RR is an internet served weblog, and thus a public forum. I have no idea how RR commenters come upon any information they may post on this or any other blog, and/or whether that information may be true or not, and whether it may be publicly available or not. You should know that the school attended by the children of virtually all public figures, from the President on down, are known and regularly published to make some point or other.
    I suggest that you take the matter up with Mr Greg Goodnight. Perhaps you could also engage the services of Mr Keachie for the ensuing “investigation into how such confidential information came into the hands of a stranger, and if criminal prosecution is appropriate.”
    Until advised by competent authority, to my knowledge nothing illegal has occurred in this comment stream. And your own husband can assure you that any revelation on RR will have very limited scope due to its painfully small readership.
    However, in deference to your concerns about your child, I have deleted the name of the school mentioned in Mr Goodnight’s 7pm comment.

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  4. Shannon Pelline Avatar
    Shannon Pelline

    [Comment deleted due to its continuing excoriation of me and other RR commenters.]

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE – IMHO there was no misunderstanding of your 848pm comment. In no sense did I dismiss the beneficial effect of a student’s parents on his performance – it is there to various degrees no matter the curriculum or the proficiency of its delivery. That notion seems to have risen spontaneously in your mind. But so that I could reinforce my point – the benefits of the parents’ support is diminished to the extent that the curriculum is faulty or poorly delivered because the outside world will dun the student for faulty knowledge. As an example, consider parents fully in support of the student learning ‘new math’, the disastrous progressive experiment in teaching mathematics, which did not properly prepare students for follow-on math courses and nipped an unknown number of would be technical careers in the bud.
    “Are you proposing that each school curriculum be determined by that schools parents? How do you propose that parental involvement be expressed?” Short answer, YES. That involvement could and has been implemented through appropriate parent/teacher organizations and other ad hoc activist groups where parents petition local school boards. Specific subjects that today are woefully fractured include history, English, civics, and mathematics.
    On one end we have funding, curriculum, and texts coming down from federal and state levels for selected subjects that are required to be administered in a politically correct manner. On the other, we have parents, out of their own pockets, home schooling their kids through curricula determined by various home schooling associations which the parents join.
    The educational failure of government schools are no more evident than in the public broadcast and print media where ‘journalism’ is practiced.

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  6. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Kids are off limits. I think it was about 4 years ago the FUE wrote in The Union about his boy’s first day of school at NU. I could be wrong. Might very well be. It might have been one of Jeff A’s excellent writings. Do remember the FUE writing about his nephew playing football at Bear River and having the players over for ribs. Bar-b-qued ribs, yum yum. Then there was the story of the FUE taking the trip to the wine country and the wonderful meal he ate while down there. There was the story in The Union the FUE wrote about buying the picnic basket backpack and having a picnic with his new treasure, more yum yum. Who can forget the tragic story the FUE wrote in The Union about the time his expensive dinner in Nevada City was ruined because the police arrested a drunk driver right in front of restaurant’s window. I always felt the FUE would be an excellent food critic for some magazine somewhere. But, I digress. Like Mrs FUE said, Kids are off limits.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar

    Another thought on publishing the “confidential” and “private information” without the parents’ permission pertaining to the schools attended by their minor children: how do newspapers and TV news broadcasters handle that when they constantly trumpet minors’ names and the schools they attend in connection with scholastic, sports, arts, theatrical, … events? To my knowledge, no releases are obtained from the parents for such information, and yet such information revealed through those channels has more than equal opportunity for doing good/harm as anything published in a blog with much more limited reach.
    Thoughts?

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  8. Shannon Pelline Avatar
    Shannon Pelline

    George,
    Please repost my comment that you deleted, so your readers can more fully understand my point of view and the consequences of it. It seems like you have a double standard here: Deleting a comment you find uncomfortable but letting the name of our young child’s school stand posted while I was asking that you remove it.

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  9. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Seriously, George–Greg? Completely inappropriate.

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “how do newspapers and TV news broadcasters handle that when they constantly trumpet minors’ names and the schools they attend in connection with scholastic, sports, arts, theatrical, … events?”
    Greg Goodknight comes under the heading of which of these?
    A scholastic catastrophe?
    Unsportmanlike conduct?
    A poorly drawn comic?
    A drama queen?
    There is no such usage involved in this case, only an identity reveal of a minor of the type Greg was such a crybaby about on The Union commenter pages [R.I.P. free speech].
    Greg, grow a pair and request of George that he remove the post, and all related posts.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    Mrs Pelline – for the record:
    1. No commenter, including Mr Goodnight, has named any of your children on RR.
    2. No commenter, including Mr Goodnight, has brought your children into this discussion. The only apparent reason Mr Goodnight stated the name of a school in his 7pm comment was for the purpose of highlighting your family’s choice of schools, since your husband has injected himself into the discussion threads on public education, which also happens to be the topic of my current article above.
    3. From received emails I understand that your husband has long publicized the school which your children attend. A simple google search confirms this in spades. Judging from the numerous and intimate descriptions of the school’s doings on his blog, one would have to be considerably dim of wit not to deduce where you send your children. However, that may be testimony to the unique profile of his readership, a topic out of scope here.
    4. Attacking a RR reader/commenter through his children is out of bounds on this blog. To my knowledge this has not happened, and most certainly has not happened in this comment stream.
    5. As I noted in my 1142pm comment, for as long as there has been an America, the public media have regularly published the names of minor children and the schools they attend as a matter of fact and without obtaining permission from their parents. However, after reflection and in due consideration for your expressed concern, I did redact the school named in Mr Goodnight’s 7pm comment.
    6. Witnessing the current and previous RR comment streams, parents and grandparents therein have chosen to name both their children and the schools they attend without fear that such actions are imprudent. If there are special safety concerns pertaining to the Pelline children, then your husband has already flagrantly and repeatedly ignored such concerns.
    7. Your husband has long attacked and continues to attack me and my readers in the most odious and incessant manner on both his blog and through his comments on RR. His postings stand as testimony to his character.
    8. It is not unreasonable to conclude that this hue and cry about Mr Goodnight’s 7pm comment is part and parcel of the constant vituperation heaped on me and other RR readers. And it appears now that you and your husband are of a piece.
    9. Given the above, I will delete without record all further comments of yours on this matter in the solid comfort that your concerns will be fully aired on your husband’s blog according to the standards for truth and accuracy applied thereon (a sample of which is available in my 901am comment above).
    10. You and your husband continue to be welcome to post civil comments here about the topics which I cover in my articles.

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  12. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is a suggestion. Go to Google and type in the following
    Jeff Pelline + [school name]
    You will find five glowing stories about the [school name]. Stories that would lead you to believe that Jeff might be the parent of a student there. Just might, since he writes such glowing insightful reports. If he has no financial connection how did he get the insider information unless he was a participant? Do bloggers hang out at [school name] with out some connection to the school? Really? He has not written with the same insight about one of Nevada City’s Elementary schools, so one might, just might, include that there was some connection to [school name]. Now what might that connection to [school name] be? — one is left wondering!
    [Have redacted school name per Mrs Pelline’s concerns. gjr]

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  13. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Here’s a suggestion for George [and Russ]; perhaps if you don’t want to be portrayed “in the most odious and incessant manner” and be the recipient of “constant vituperation”, you should not allow you respective blogs to be used by your other users to do the same to other members of the community.
    What is good for the goose is good for the gander, buddy.

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    And here I was concerned the rumor told to me on the streets of Nevada City might not be true.
    Judging from the grammar and sentence structure, I’d guess that Mrs. Pelline was channeling her husband, who found himself unable to post under his own name and found a rhetorical device to falsely portray themselves as victims.
    Jeff, if it’s religion that convinced you to enroll your child there, you might talk to your priest about bearing false witness against your neighbor. Or laughing out loud about an event where a schoolteacher harmed multiple children of the neighborhood. Including mine, which is probably what tickled Jeff’s funnybone.
    My son spent 7 years there after the local public schools failed him and our family. While they’ve had some unfortunate turmoil related to finances and parental powerplays in the meantime, our local St.Sensible remains one of the few escapes from the local public schools when they do not meet the needs of the student.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveF, as a serious response to your 923am, I am working on the problem. Nevertheless, the comment policy that I apply here is mine, warts and all. I make no claims of universal justice or fairness. And that policy is a work in process as I have stated before.
    I know that you believe otherwise, but please show me on RR where a conservative has launched the initial volley in his comment, and I’ll show you ten counter examples. This does not excuse such warfare, but merely characterizes it.

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Allowing information to be distributed about the school attended by a child of a private citizen purely for the purpose of enforcing an argument displays unbelievably bad taste and judgment on your part as moderator of this forum. I suggest a hasty retreat and apology. Not allowing Mrs Pelline further comment on your blog multiplies your error of judgment. I encourage you do the right thing.

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  17. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Wow, I blew that, let me restate it coherently this time–not enough coffee this morning:
    Here’s a suggestion for George [and Russ]; perhaps if you don’t want to be portrayed “in the most odious and incessant manner” and be the recipient of “constant vituperation”, you should not allow your respective blogs to be used by other contributors to do the same to members of the community.
    What is good for the goose is good for the gander, buddy.

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Good for you Paul and Doug and to a lessor extent Bill, even though he could not resist including a jab or two thus diminishing the power of his voice to stand up for what is right.
    Really guys, the use of kids is off limits.
    Just cut the crap, delete the thread, and move on.

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  19. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The usual suspects are indignant. Strange they had nothing to say when Jeff was laughing at my family’s problem with the high school, inventing a quarrel with the former County schools super or making up incredibly false claims about me at a public event out of pure, thin mountain air.
    Jeff is a liar, pure and simple.

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Greg Goodknight just keeps posting his crazed, personal attacks and George just let’s him go on an on.
    George… a real quality blog you have here… have ANY standards?

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    My “crazed, personal attacks” can be substantiated. Steve E, you’re being played.

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  22. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    By the way, George does have standards. When it was absolutely clear Pelline actually had lied about me in order to blacken my name, he was finally cut off.

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  23. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Simple solution: delete everything posted after 6:49 p.m. on August 19th and close the thread.
    I think there are a number of relevant and important issues being discussed here about our local educational system that could be further fleshed out in subsequent new threads.
    Otherwise, this is a dead end.

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I’ve no idea what the ages, grades or names are of the child(ren) involved, nor have I ever tried to find them out.
    The Pelline’s voted with their feet. While they may not think their local public schools “suck” (and indeed, the NC Elementary district is one of the better ones, with Deer Creek being particularly noteworthy), that they chose a local private school for their kid(s) is newsworthy given Jeff’s very public statements.

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  25. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Hey Greg, it would have been quite sufficient to point out that Jeff sent his child to a private school, without naming the school. Are you so insensitive to the desire of parents to keep information about their children in their own control or of their right to determine how and when that information is shared, that you would break a commonly understood social standard just to score a few points in a public debate? It is understood here that I do not hold you in very high esteem, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the frequently personal nature of your comments about participants, but this is so far beyond the norms of social behavior, that even I am surprised.

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  26. George Rebane Avatar

    Dear Readers – as the alert have noted over the past years, this blog is not ‘moderated’ in the sense that I review comments before passing on their posting. I get to it when I can, and things often get out of hand since the topics/issues I publish are neither scooplets nor simple fare. And I take a very ideologically delineated stand in arguing my perspectives and interpretations. It is these perspectives, interpretations, along with my ideology that I want examined by my readers who are invited to counter, expand, or reinforce them.
    I do understand that the times do not allow such purist objectives. We are a fractionated – polarized is too simplistic – nation, and no longer share much of the same reality. The dominant centers of ideological gravity – conservative and collectivist – have little hope of drawing together. Both know that their vision of the future can only be realized through attracting a sufficient mass of the so-called independent voters, and the subsequent play in blogs such as RR is directed thereto.
    I probably spend too much time on my public commentary efforts, and as the song says, there’s a lot of (other) living to do in the time I have left. So I ask you again, don’t waste your energies trying to reconstruct me and/or how I run RR. It is what it is and will become as the spirit moves me. On RR and other websites, your choices are simple and few – take it for what it is or leave it be; continuing to hammer me will meet with limited success. If they are worth your time, please hammer my ideas instead.
    Having once more expressed the same thing in yet another way, I believe that everyone has now had their say on the school naming issue. My words stand as published, and I will uniformly apply the Pelline Purge Principle , as established on that blog, (also see my 821am) on all comments that seek to extend this thread. Continuation of the comment stream on the article is, of course, invited.

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  27. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Having sent two boys, now men, through the school system i WENT THROUGH THIRTY YEARS EARLIER i CAN ATTEST TO THE DEMISE OF EXCELLENCE THERE. Oops, sorry about the caps. Anyway, if all the statistics about the system are accurate it shows we are going south in our strive for better educated people. This is not a money issue because we know California spends gazillions on it. It is a quality of educator and discipline issue. I have many friends who went to [forbidden school name] and they turned out pretty good. And I see they are now sending their kids there and spending their after tax money to do so. If a person wants to do that and has the dough to do so, more power to them. But, I would suggest anyone who excoriates those that do not care for the government schools should shut their mouths if they choose not to send their kids to them.

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  28. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    By the way, let’s give a round of applause to the honor roll from the Chicago Park Elementary School, the latest of a long line of recognition by our local paper, and just about every other local paper in the country:
    http://www.theunion.com/article/20110804/FEATURES/110809831

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George, we are all proud that you don’t let the outside the realm of reality lefty have his way. He trashes you and the rest of us all over the internet then comes here and tries to tell us how terrible we are. I just plain crack up when I read his all knowing all seeing opinions on everything. I would suggest he clean up his act first then when he does he may come back here and debate.
    Greg, debating or should I say discussing anything with the liberals is fruitless. You are just besting them at every turn with facts and they are reacting just as liberals do, with emotion.

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  30. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    George Said:
    “For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. ”
    For years the left had the public square to themselves.
    Now they have to share and listen to their vacuous beliefs ridiculed. How sad for them.

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  31. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Back to the state of local schools, now that Keach has a question to ponder alone in his corner.
    Again, here is the list of Nevada County schools that rate a 1 (meaning bottom 10%) in their Similar Schools list compiled by the California Dept. of Ed:
    Scotten
    Nevada City School of the Arts
    Yuba River Charter
    Williams Ranch Elementary
    Pleasant Valley Elementary
    Ready Springs Elementary
    Anyone have good things to say about them? Here’s the link to the Scotten’s group:
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009BaseSchSS.aspx?allcds=29-66332-6106157&c=E
    Here’s one of the top schools on that list, Williams Elementary in Glendora
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009BaseSch.aspx?allcds=19645766013932
    API of the “white subgroup” was 922 compared to 778 at Scotten
    API of the latino subgroup was 877, white kids at Scotten are 99 points behind them
    API of socioeconomically disadvantaged was 869 compared to 724 at Scotten
    In short, an economically disadvantage latino child at Williams is futher along than a white middle class kid at Scotten. Would you want your child at Scotten no matter what their race might be?

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg continues to point out that schools here are in the bottom 10% of schools from similar socioeconomic groupings elsewhere. He tries to make it sound as though they are in the bottom 10% altogether, by obfuscating the information with excess highfalutin verbiage, IMHO. I’m sure the rank and file Teepers will absorb the message he hopes for, and get out their torches and pitchforks in droves.
    I continue to point out that the entire system they have for determining socioeconomic equivalency is Badly Flawed. having the children supply the data, having no apparent checks on the data supplied, and having no differences between two and four year degrees, is rather silly.

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  33. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    You realize Keachie that the power of the Tea Party (and thus the Republican Party) is entirely dependent upon the premise that “America Sucks”.
    The premise that “America Sucks” is what rallies people to their banner and how they motivate “Patriots”. Thus, the endless string of things that suck; the President sucks, the economy sucks, liberals suck, immigrants suck, Muslims suck, taxes suck, California sucks, pointy headed scientists who say the climate is changing suck, kids suck, …..everything sucks. Education sucks is just another part of the “America Sucks” agenda.
    So grab your pitchforks, you illiterate boobs, because “America Sucks” and you need to make it Right. But we can’t actually work with anyone else to make it better unless they buy our philosophy 100%!
    Never mind that this strategy, at some point, becomes a self fulfilling prophecy…….that creating a climate of conflict, frozen governance, and destroying our civic infrastructures ability to work together toward solutions is actually what makes “America Suck”. By then they will have destroyed that dusky cloud over the White House and a white knight will be at the helm of the new state; then the mantra will be “America is Great”

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    America doesn’t suck it is the liberal that sucks. People want to improve their lives and get along but there are always the liberals. Lurking in every corner of our land who are always telling us we need to give up more of our individual freedom and don’t pay attention to the liberal behind the screen. The liberal sends out his flying monkeys to ensure his edicts take place. The regulators and their regulations, tax collectors and taxes, fees and exaction’s. No America doesn’t suck, the liberal sucks. It only takes a few bad apple liberals to spoil the barrel. But true Americans and conservatives, Tea Party and even libertarians, are fighting back now and taking the country back to reality from the liberals. The zombie liberal is coming soon to a theater near you.

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  35. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    The Scarecrow speak!

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  36. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keachie convinced himself the “similar schools” was bunk when he misread the numbers for NU and decided it was all based on about 6% of the students giving a response on their parent’s educational level. Finding it was 94% didn’t change his analysis. A closed mind.
    The upcoming API/Similar Schools results will be a little different… a 2007 law passed by the Democratic legislature and signed by the Schwartz demands the API (academic performance index) take into account dropouts:

    This bill, beginning July 1, 2011, would require that the API
    include additional information regarding test scores and other
    accountability data of pupils who were referred by the school or
    school district of residence to an alternative education program and
    school and school district dropout rates.

    http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0201-0250/sb_219_bill_20071014_chaptered.html
    Should be interesting. The current STAR results were just released, the next API will eventually follow.
    It’s underperforming and bloated government bureaucracies that suck. For all the failings of the TP movement, they’ve raised the rabble against some of the worst problems we are facing.

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  37. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The wicked witch of the Truckee has spoken again! The 501c3 is melting, melting. Oh what a world!

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  38. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Finding it was 94% didn’t change his analysis.”
    Not the part of the analysis that noted that 2 and 4 year degrees were intermingled, that the students’ information was not verified, and that this was a very skimpy way of evaluating socioeconomic status to begin with.
    I did admit to the initial mistake, see above, due in part to glaucoma vision, and the late hour of the night, if I am not mistaken, have to check that last.
    So Greg, you just lied.
    Now Greg, where you state the “bottom” so many times, the bottom of WHAT, for the umpteenth time, and how do the schools of Nevada County stack up statewide, in absolute terms. Above average, average, below average. Pick one, and again, go forth in an NU assembly and tell the students what you have said here. I double dog dare you. Oh, and be sure to indicate your choice politics to them, I’m sure you’ll win lots of converts.

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  39. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No keach, 2 year degrees are “some college”.
    You owe me a retraction for the “liar” libel.

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  40. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Just in case Greg has forgotten what he said about the schools, I’ll repost the questions and his statement about the schools:
    “The following questions have now been answered over at Jeff Pelline’s blog.
    I am still waiting for Greg Goodknight to answer them here:
    Where do the NU and Bear River STAR scores place those schools among all California schools?
    What are those scores?
    What are the year to year responsibilities of a school that scores 800 or higher?
    Now please attend the next school assembly, get up on stage and state your words to the students:
    “Taken as a whole, yes, our schools “suck”. And that’s in relationship to California schools, which “suck” compared to the nation as a whole.”
    and please run for office, any office, we all need a good laugh.”

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  41. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The statement stands Greg. No retraction needed. You said I had a closed mind, not the case. regardless of the number of students responding, the methodology is fatally FLAWED
    There are no instructions for the students to differentiate between the two different degrees. The answer to the question from a student whose parent(s) has(have) an A.A. degree, is, “Yes they do.”
    The quality of the schools the degrees come from is not taken into account, neither is the area of the degree, and we all know the only real degrees are those in math, “hard” science, and engineering. Right? I mean brain surgery isn’t rocket science, now is it?

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  42. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, you called me a liar. I am not. A retraction is in order, not more of your dissembling.

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  43. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Keach, you called me a liar. I am not. A retraction is in order, not more of your dissembling.”
    Greg, I did NOT label you a “liar.” Nor did I call you a liar.
    I merely said:
    So Greg, you just lied.
    That is not the same thing as labeling you a liar, or calling you a liar. Look at your own writings, the supposed logic therein, and you’ll have to agree. Do not put words in my mouth.

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Ah, the muffled sound of head exploding 10 miles south is finally reverbrating though the hills of NSJ.

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  45. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, you are truly an idiot. I told no lie. The statement I made was literally true, and more importantly, I believed it to be true when I wrote it.
    You continue to be an apologist for every wretched school in the state, and the people of this state are your victims.

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  46. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    In addition, saying someone told a lie is logically equivalent to calling them a liar. You still owe me that retraction but, as you have shown youself to be shameless in the past I really don’t expect you to choose the high road.

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  47. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “for every wretched school in the state”
    Please list all the “wretched schools” in this county, and state your reasons for each one being wretched.
    “Finding it was 94% didn’t change his analysis. A closed mind.”
    In my opinion, and I believed it to be true, you lied about my mind being closed. Of course you didn’t say I had a closed mind, you merely used the simple phrase, “A closed mind.” as a complete sentence. Given the context of the phrase however, most reasonable people and judges would conclude that you have just stated that I have a closed mind. Since I believe I have an open mind, I am perfectly within my rights, to say, “you lied.” Please note that I never explicitly stated what you lied about. It could be something else altogether…
    BTW, you and I will be sharing the “Nitpickers of the Year,” award on this blog.

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    I will also take home another award, one for which you are not even in consideration:
    “Best Sense of Humor.”

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    In the Goodnight/Keachie debate, this observer wonders what prescriptions each would give if it turns out that NU does indeed turn out to be in top, middle, or bottom third in the state. If the prescriptions for any two are sufficiently similar, it reduces the task of ascription. And maybe then you two could resolve something in a decision space more coarsely divided.

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