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I don’t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event it’s not that far off.  Reading this morning’s lead piece ‘STAR tests’  in the 18aug11 Union, I was a little put off by the reporter’s opening attempt at logic.

Despite efforts across western Nevada County to improve student test scores, money still matters in the realm of student achievement.

Districts where property values and household income tend to be higher — and where affordable housing is less available — did the best in results of California's Standardized Testing and Reporting program, or STAR, which were released this week.

Since the government can't make more well-to-do parents, the implication here is that we need to continue increasing the per student spending to improve the learning levels of our students.  This policy, of course, has not helped during the last forty years, but then it is the only progressive answer – ‘stasis is good’.  The correlation of household income to student performance has been explained in countless studies – in the aggregate, better earning parents are better educated and therefore support their chidren's education more, which yields better students.

Just so you don’t misunderstand my stand on this, let me say it straight out – we don’t have a student learning crisis, we have a long standing teacher crisis; it is time to get the dummies out of our classrooms, and attract good teaching talent into our schools.  And for icing on the cake, I really do believe that it has been the agenda and accomplishment of this country’s progressives to get unqualified teachers into the profession and keep them there through support of the teachers’ unions.  It's called voter development.

After reading the article I was going to launch into an extended harangue about how Nevada County schools are screwing up.  Family matters intervened and we had to take our last grandkid to the airport to conclude what has been an extended week of enjoying some of our own arrows into the future.  By the time we got back, most of my points had been co-opted pretty well by readers in the wild comment stream to ‘An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots'.  The points there made are worth their own focus and discussion, so I am including here below a few selected and unedited comments (please go to the linked post to see other related comments).


*** Let's look at the STAR results for Nevada County…

First, we've historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students. So we must be doing pretty good in English-Language Arts, right? Well, for our 11th graders, 54% are below grade level.

We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.

The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.

The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.

More county wide totals:
Geometry… 63% below Proficient
Algebra II… 68% below Proficient

http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=29&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1

Don't blame the high schools, the problems start in the elementary schools. If the kid can't write well or manipulate fractions without a calculator, they're entering high school with major handicaps.

Looking at the Grass Valley School District numbers, 48% of 6th graders are below Proficient in Math. Don't be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.

I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:15 AM

*** Here's a good one… NU Technical High School, the school within a school at our large comprehensive high school. 93% of the 15 kids in that group (meaning all but one) are below proficient in English. Fully 53% are Far Below Basic.

NU Tech seems to me to be a holding pen to take kids at risk of making the NUHS stats worse and putting them somewhere to isolate NUHS from that, while still allowing NU to get their daily cash for taking attendance.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:36 AM

[On another matter, Russ Steele continues to highlight the frenetic desire of the local left to insert themselves into NC TPP affairs.  All this attention to a movement they consider withering and worthless is quite remarkable.  gjr]

*** I just posted this at NC Media Watch: Tea Party Patriots — Not a political party, but a state of mind

Our local left is "going postal" as the local Tea Party gains recognition in the community. The TPP was the largest group in the 4th of July Parade. The Tea Party Patriots are holding monthly events, including dinners, luncheons, free movies on critical issues, holding idea exchange forums, hosted a County Fair Booth, and are developing a strong presence on Facebook. They are every where, including attending BOS meetings and meeting one-on-one with Supervisors, City Council members and our local newspaper Publisher.

For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. They keep posting about polling information reported to show declining interest in the Tea Party and what they stand for:

You can read the rest of the post HERE.

Posted by: Russ Steele | 18 August 2011 at 01:38 PM 

 

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225 responses to “Do Our Schools Really Suck? (Working Title)”

  1. Mikey McD Avatar

    Clear Creek = “more than 97 percent of students scored proficient or advanced in specialized science.” Congrats Cougars!

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  2. Mikey McD Avatar

    There is no greater barrier to the education of our children than the teachers union(s).

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    I wonder how the Charter Schools compared to the union run schools? Might be an interesting comparison!

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  4. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Two words… Charter Schools. They seem to be working better and they give parents an option of where to school their kids.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So SteveE did your kids go to a charter school?

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  6. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    I had to smile at one of out local blue buddies who posted this idea (DougK, I believe):
    “taking classes on line and passing tests for cash rewards, 1/2 of which is sent to their families on the outside, 35% is placed in savings accounts, 10% to victims funds, and 5% which is available to spend in prison” ( Actually considering this idea, I think the 35% should be used to PAY for room and board). But I can’t hep but wonder where the “cash reward” would come from for those in prison!
    First off I do not believe ANY person should be paid to learn in schools.
    Students are being paid via taxes which provide them the opportunity to learn. But with that being said, what would happen if we used the above idea for kids. Replace the “teens” with the idea of prisoners being paid to learn! At least the “cash rewards” would go to those who have not committed a crime!

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  7. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Yes, Nevada County schools “suck”.
    There are many good teachers at every school but there is little recourse when your child had a bad one, and there are many of those here,too.
    This is not Lake Woebegone. Out schools have problems that have been swept inder the rug for years.

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  8. Russ Steele Avatar

    I agree with Greg. We had four daughters go through middle school and high school in Nevada County. When we arrived from Nebraska our middle schoolers were so far ahead of the their peers, we had problem keeping our children challenged and focused. We had several kick a$$ and take name sessions at the high school, resulting in the departure of one part time teacher, and several class room teacher changes and finally, our oldest taking classes at Sierra rather than wasting time at NU in her senior year. For our youngest, Ellen volunteered for the site councils at Nevada City Elementary and Seven Hills and I got involved in the Seven Hill science classes. Any parent that ignores what is going on at their children’s school, is doing their children a disservice. Yes, there are good teacher and some terrible teachers. The trick is making sure your children get the best available.
    We had a one daughter graduate from NU with a 4.0 and then when she got to UC Davis she had to take remedial math, due to the weak math teachers at NU. We investigated and discovered that the math department had a marginal certification. It was kick a$$ and take names time!
    Ellen and I agree, if we had to do it over again, we would home schooled out youngest, who was only 2 when we moved to Nevada County. NU was a huge waste of her time and talent. One saving grace was the ROP program where she learned computer graphics and printing skills, which she leverage into a web development business, and end up tutoring her college professors on how to create and manage their web pages. She developed some of Nevada County’s first web sites.
    Parents, if you have students in Nevada County Schools get involved, your children’s future is at stake!

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  9. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Russ, when was that?

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  10. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Lots of bitter-sounding parents here.

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  11. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Yes Greg, money is not an incentive ever for people to learn and study and solve problems, unless of course you are a CEO, or a professional working in his/her field. Then money as a motivator works just great…and the Easter bunny lays chocolate eggs in Greg’s universe as well.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Kathy, that was such a Gregorian comment that I assumed it was the High Priest of Knowledge Himself.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Kathy, you should really reconsider. If 35% of x is used to pay for room and board, and x is $46,000, you are talking really serious money for each prisoner here.

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  14. Russ Steele Avatar

    Greg,
    We came back to Nevada County in 1980. We lived in Grass Valley for two years while building our house on Banner Lava Cap. The first three daughters went to middle school and high school in 80s, the youngest graduated in from NU in 1996, CalPoly in 2000. Two oldest went to UC Davis and two youngest to Cal Poly. Wish all had gone to CalPoly.

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  15. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Here is a good overview of Nevada Union High School:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/3535402940/sizes/o/in/photostream/

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  16. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Reposting info from the other thread:
    Here’s the similar schools page for the whole county:
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cSelect=29,Nevada&c=R
    Note the following Nevada County Schools have wretched 1 similar school ranks (meaning the bottom 10%):
    Scotten
    Nevada City School of the Arts
    Yuba River Charter
    Williams Ranch Elementary
    Pleasant Valley Elementary
    Ready Springs Elementary
    There are a few decent schools here, but the good news is sparse. Had Pelline done his job at The Union, he could have figured this out long ago.
    Of the regular schools in the county, only Deer Creek Elementary with an 8 similar schools ranking, and Pleasant Ridge Elementary with a 7, exceeded expectations.
    Taken as a whole, yes, our schools “suck”. And that’s in relationship to California schools, which “suck” compared to the nation as a whole.

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  17. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Doug,
    I have no problem with people using their education to become successful.
    In school grades are your reward for work (if you are lucky enough to go to an excellent school where those grades are an accurate indication of learning). Funny how grades have not become averaged (socialized) among all students so all are treated fairly like so many want to do with incomes earned. When you look at the scores and the dumbing down of California education, maybe that is really what is happening.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    I would love to see the STAR test results of home schooled students in Nevada County.

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  18. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Taken as a whole, yes, our schools “suck”. And that’s in relationship to California schools, which “suck” compared to the nation as a whole.”
    And yet we cannot find enough room in the UC campuses for all the students who have completed the requirements and scored 4.0 gpa’s or higher?? What a mystery!
    The funny thing is, those other schools out of county that are DOING SO MUCH BETTER, all have union employees of their own. Another mystery to be solved ?

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Where do the NU and Bear River STAR scores place those schools among all California schools?
    What are those scores?
    What are the year to year responsibilities of a school that scores 800 or higher?
    Now please attend the next school assembly, get up on stage and state your words to the students:
    “Taken as a whole, yes, our schools “suck”. And that’s in relationship to California schools, which “suck” compared to the nation as a whole.”
    and please run for office, any office, we all need a good laugh.

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  20. Kathy Jones Avatar
    Kathy Jones

    Doug,
    Those slots for the 4.0+ gpa students from California seats are being filled with out of country and out of state students who pay the big bucks, much more than the UC system would get from California for those same seats!
    Education is now about money, is seems, not about learning!

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  21. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Yep, our California schools may suck and half our kids are not proficient for their grade level, but at least the kids feel good about themselves.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    Since many readers here also frequent the FUE’s blog, I wish to draw your attention to some blatant yellow journalism on that site.
    “Do our schools really suck? (working title)” asks George Rebane on his political blog, Rebane’s Ruminations. The Union and KVMR also has invited George to be a regular commentator.
    “I don’t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event it’s not that far off.”
    Huh? Rebane is talking about STAR test scores released this week (only one metric to measure whether a school “sucks” or not). Sure, there’s room for improvement — and the administrators admit as much — but the scores do not justify suggesting the schools might “suck.”
    In fact — get this — Ghidotti High ranks #5 in the state of 1768 public high schools, according to one website whose rankings are based on the latest STAR Test Scores. Ghidotti is an ongoing success. It should be praised.
    Besides his “analysis,” Rebane throws in this personal zinger:
    “Don’t be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.
    “I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.”
    Wow. No comment from either, of course.

    Perhaps there is no comment from either because I never wrote the above “personal zinger” that Pelline claims I did. Unfortunately, this type of journalism is the best of which Pelline is capable because such quotes and attributions are standard fare that he dishes out to his readers. I too have found Jeff Pelline to be a liar.

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  23. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    4.0 used to mean perfection, but with the arrival of classes said to be advanced and given a 5 point scale, the meaning of 4.0 has been heavily diluted. Especially when so many schools don’t bother to have many of their students take the AP exam to validate their grade.
    At NU, because of the 5 point scale of many of the college prep classes, there are a gaggle of kids above 4.0 every year, and the school awards all of them the title “Valedictorian” even though only one is selected to give a valedictory address. A few years ago when my son was in that group is was a nice experience to be among a bunch of great kids and nice parents for dinner but I was shocked by how few were going to 4 year colleges after graduation and how few were going to top tier universities.

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  24. Kim.pruett@att.net Avatar

    My girls have been in Pleasant Ridge Schools and I am happy with the education they are getting so far. Pleasant Ridge was ranked the top in the County in over all scores. The thing I like is that they offer advanced classes for those students who excell,Lilly is doing Geometry class this year in 8th grade and did Algebra last year in 7th, they have very high expectations for the students and they do programs such as ASP and Odysey of the Mind, in fact they strive to be the best in those areas by sending kids to Worlds and Nationals almost every year. There is a lot of parent involvement in the schools there. My Daughter Lilly is also involved with Star Makers which is a great jazz choir program, she has learned so much about music and art. So I think the Pleasant Ridge school system is well-rounded in their programs and I am very happy with what they are getting at the public schools they are at. I have always thought and still think that it is the Parent’s responsibility to educate their child, an active role in their education by staying involved and making sure they are being challenged and that they are being well taught is up to the Parent. I think in the past 8 years of Lilly being in public school, she has never had one bad teacher, but I know we are blessed to be in such a wonderful school district. We also had thought about sending them to Mount St. Mary’s Academy because of the small class sizes and excellent education but we have been really happy so far with public education.

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  25. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Kim… nice post.
    “it is the Parent’s responsibility to educate their child, an active role in their education by staying involved and making sure they are being challenged and that they are being well taught is up to the Parent”
    Yes!

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  26. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Kim, when my son was at Hennessey School (GVSD) circa ’95, they rolled out what was then the cutting edge of elementary mathematics curriculums, “Mathland”. This was said to tap into how girls and minorities (no joke) best learned math, and it was also great for the kids who did well in those boring old traditional approaches, high socioeconomic status white boys. The GVSD trumpeted how this would unlock the “mathematical power” of all children. My wife Teri (BS Math, MS Electrical Engineering) did a lot of volunteering in the classroom and saw a different reality.
    Pleasant Ridge, since Mathland was immediately the #1 curriculum by sales to California schools, also acquired Mathland but dropped it like a hot potato after a couple of months. They were just not seeing any of that “mathematical power” the GVSD did.
    When the first STAR exams (at the time, SAT9) were given two years later, Pleasant Ridge was among the top districts in the state and the GVSD had half the kids in my son’s cohort in the bottom quartile, a dismal showing for a “California Distinguished School”. However, starting in the 2nd grade our son was at Mt.St. Mary’s School. I wasn’t happy about having to pay extra for what my property taxes were already paying for, and getting a helping of religion which I’d also have preferred not to have my kid given, but the alternative seemed to be intellectual damage and there weren’t any better choices open to us.
    Mathland crashed and burned as there was not a single normed assessment that showed it was effective anywhere. The first wave of kids Mathlanded in the 1st grade graduated from NU in 2007 and the trailing edge is still there. The GVSD ended up moving to the Saxon texts as a remedial effort to dig out of their hole and it’s a shame they didn’t choose to accept John Saxon’s offer of a free classroom’s worth of books for each grade in 1995; the only payment he wanted for that pilot was to give a standardized test at the beginning and at the end, with the results made public.
    The Pleasant Ridge Schools seem excellent, I’d not have felt shortchanged had my son belonged to them instead of the GVSD.

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  27. PeteK Avatar
    PeteK

    Kim,
    You made two Outstanding comments(statements)on this issue. One: “There is a lot of parent involvement”.
    Two:”I think it is the parents responsibility to educate their child an active role in their education by staying involved and making sure they are being challenged and being taught well”.
    If all parents had this type of thinking our test scores would increase dramatically. As for all these statistics…they are nothing more than subjective crap that politicans use as a platform. Well said Kim, if you ever decide to run for school board let me know I will be on your team!

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  28. Russ Steele Avatar

    I agree with Kim, it is vital that parents participate in their children’s education. We were involved through out the education of our four girls. They are all now successful professional women, making their own contributions to society.

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  29. George Rebane Avatar

    Thank you Kim for confirming that the established tautology of educating children still holds. When the state seeks to minimize the involvement of parents, we get what we have. The role of parents is especially visible in immigrant communities in which parents, though poor, belong to a culture that honors and places high value on being educated. They sacrifice everything to give their kids the best education they can afford. I grew up in such a household.
    And none of this benefit from parent involvement requires yet more state spending and teacher sinecures.

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  30. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, from timestamps it appears Pelline was up all night… Being caught in an obvious lie intended to cause real damage to my reputation was probably part of it. “LOL”
    Jeff, I know you’re reading this, George correctly attributed those quotes to me. If you go to Holly Hermansen for comment, you might ask her about that FOIA request of mine that she turned down. Some years ago, an anonymous donor gave the County Office (then headed by McAteer) $50K in order to fund the initial work towards establish the International Baccalaureate in Nevada County schools. Some money went to Nevada Union (Maggie Dietz, a colleague of McAteer when both were at BRHS, was the district super), some money went to the GVSD which was run by Jon Byerrum. Dietz was clear when she first told me of this in passing that it was meant to be a replacement for the AP classes that the District already had invested in and are quite good.
    I asked who the donor was, and to see the documents relating to the IB investigation. The NJUHSD refused the request and deferred to the County as the controlling entity; Ms. Hermansen (Mrs. Jon Byerrum), then running the County Office of Education, refused the request, in effect wanting to make sure donors who want to effect curricular changes in the future can do so in secret.
    I’d still love to know where that money came from.

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  31. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Those slots for the 4.0+ gpa students from California seats are being filled with out of country and out of state students who pay the big bucks, much more than the UC system would get from California for those same seats!
    Education is now about money, is seems, not about learning!”
    And is that the fault of the college administrators, or the faculty, or the students?
    Or is it the fault of the corporations and Tea Party types greedily withholding taxes, preferring instead to fund prisons, to lock up those who commit crimes of theft? How Ironic!

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Note to Kim and George. While the addy Kim posted has been changed to a link, spiders will grab the addy and add it to spamlists. I would just sign in as Kim Pruett, if you wish to avoid spam. The more att has to filter, the slower your mail deliver will be.

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  33. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The following questions have now been answered over at Jeff Pelline’s blog.
    I am still waiting for Greg Goodknight to answer them here:
    Where do the NU and Bear River STAR scores place those schools among all California schools?
    What are those scores?
    What are the year to year responsibilities of a school that scores 800 or higher?
    Now please attend the next school assembly, get up on stage and state your words to the students:
    “Taken as a whole, yes, our schools “suck”. And that’s in relationship to California schools, which “suck” compared to the nation as a whole.”
    and please run for office, any office, we all need a good laugh.

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  34. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    If, by the socioeconomic status of their parents, a school that is scoring 805 should be scoring closer to 900, the school has a responsibility to note the problems and improve. In the case of NU, it isn’t just their problem as they have districts of wildly varying quality feeding them.
    I listed a large number of Nevada County schools that have the abysmally low similar schools ranking of “1”; there is no way to spin this positively. BRHS has gotten a bit better and is (by this soon to be outdated listing) now a “2”. NUHS is a “3”, but both BRHS and NUHS apparently cook their books by moving weak students to the myriad small schools kids the district operates, where they are sent to fail away from the schools they wish to protect.

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  35. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I have always believed that education is primarily and remains a parents responsibility. Nice comments Kim.
    I did not go to particularly good public schools….Chicago….Berwyn….Columbia, mo….etc. But my parents spent an extra hour a day with each one of the three kids and it make us believe in lifelong education.

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, as I have already pointed out several times here:
    The data they collect to determine “socioeconomic” status is so badly flawed (lacking in collection standards, verification, and amount of information (totally minimalist)) I amazed that you as an arch champion of science are still defending the supposed results depending on it.

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  37. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “but both BRHS and NUHS apparently cook their books by moving weak students to the myriad small schools kids the district operates, where they are sent to fail away from the schools they wish to protect.”
    This is a common practice in school districts everywhere, so it cancels out.

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  38. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Well said dear. I could not have said it better myself. LOL.

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  39. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Given Keachie’s history of, shall we say, incoherent and incomplete analysis, I’ll stick with what the California Department of Education says.
    Keach, the CDE is a Democratic stronghold, I’m sure they’ll be happy to hear from you and will be receptive to your straightening them out on their Similar Schools statistics. Let us know how it goes.

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  40. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Here’s what Keachie wrote elsewhere:

    Parent Education Level (STAR)
    Percentage with a response* 94
    Of those with a response:
    Not a high school graduate 1
    High school graduate 15
    Some college 34
    College graduate 29
    Graduate school 21
    *This number is the percentage of student answer documents with stated parent education level information.
    In short, they depend on less than 1 student in 15 of a total population, using only those who choose to volunteer the information, and there are no efforts at checking the data for truthiness or reliability at all!
    FAIL!

    Umm, Keachie, “Percentage with a response* 94” means they have roughly 14 students out of 15 giving a response, not 1 of 15. You apparently have it exactly inverted. “LOL”

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  41. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg is correct, but not on the inverted part. My vision, which is damaged by glaucoma, read the numbers, without picking up on the percentage aspect of the situation. The result was reading as totals, the percentages. If read that way, the 1 in 15 is correct.
    Still, if this is the backbone of what they are doing to establish socio-economic status, and no verification is done, it is bad science. As Greg has well implied, there are more things than thermometers that are graduated and have degrees, without having any brains.
    The quality of the schools the degrees are from can vary widely from community to community. If one community has all mail order degrees, and another has mostly Ivy league degrees, the earning and intellectual powers of the second community will be dramatically different, in most cases.
    STAR testing was not designed by the teachers union, BTW.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Let me recall a story that may be of interest to this topic. Several years ago I did a story on a retiring teacher from a Sacramento area high school. At that time the school was going through a serious accreditation problem because of low test scores and the teachers were being singled out as the probable problem. She told the story of a brother and sister of Vietnamese descent who could barely speak English when they started as Freshman and had to take special classes in reading and speaking English. They ended up graduated in the top 5% of the class, received scholarships to UC Universities and who knows where they are today. The essence of the story was that it wasn’t the schools that were the problem as much as it was the home culture the children live in. This family did not allow television during the school week and created a home atmosphere each night that set aside two hours for study with family assistance and supervision. They had volunteer tutors from their church and made it clear to the children that it was a matter of family pride that that they do well in school.
    I think this is the neglected factor in the education process. Proper family support and rules that encourage and support the educational efforts of the teachers and schools.
    Keep in mind that this is a school that nearly lost it’s accreditation. She said that it’s nearly impossible to teach without family support and that most family’s offered none. There you have it for what it’s worth,

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE – your story puts another coat of varnish on what apparently all readers here have acknowledged as a paramount factor for educational success.
    The part that we have yet to address is that parents in the land are effectively shut out by ‘education professionals’ in determining the content, conduct, and direction of the government schools that they fund. They have little/no say about the quality of instruction and the curriculum to which their children are subjected.
    Being the best of supportive parents still falls short, even if the kid gets a straight A report card in a pabulum curriculum, and/or one that is taught by drastically deficient teachers.

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  44. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The percentages add up to 194,Keach. That’s 94% of the kid’responding, and the responses adding up to 100%. Note 50% of parents were college grads which is also the avg for Marin County as a whole.
    You owe me an apology. Nothing new there.

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  45. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    The total of the percentage responding is 94% as they have indicated. If you add up each of the individual category percentages, you do not get 194. By golly you get, 100! 100 to 1500 is roughly the ratio I originally indicated.
    I’d consider apologizing for my bad vision, but not until you state for the record what the state recommends for schools scoring above 800, and why it is so cool, and VALID, to have 2 and four year degrees lumped in together to determine the socio-econmic ratings for different districts.

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  46. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    How the Rich Are Destroying the UC System:
    By cutting taxes, UC is boosting out of state enrollment to 25%, up from 15%, despite plenty of well qualified California applicants. The überrich from out of state will not even be here as voters to support UC when there are issues involving UC in the legislature or bonds to be passed at the polls.
    From the Huff Post:
    More than a quarter of UC Berkeley students will not be California residents this year, up from 15% two years ago.
    Berkeley, though the most dramatic example, is not the only UC School recruiting more out-of-state students. Out-of-state enrollment numbers have increased system wide.
    Non-residents pay three times the tuition of in-state students which will certainly help the UC system, which is desperately hurting for cash. The newest California state budget reduced the system’s state money by $650 million.
    The LA Times has more:
    UC admissions officials traveled widely last fall to recruit out-of-state students. UC officials emphasize that they are relatively late in pursuing such students and that many other public universities, such as those in Michigan and Virginia, enroll many more. Critics say it is another sign of what they contend is the privatization of California’s public universities in response to state funding declines, and they warn that it will undermine political support for restoring funding.
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    “Demand from highly qualified and diverse California residents is stronger than ever,” UC system President Mark Yudof told the San Francisco Chronicle.”At the same time, several campuses have made progress in their goal to enroll a larger number of nonresident students.”

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  47. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Looks like a trip off to keachiespace again.
    Back in Nevada County, I hear public achool champion Jeff Pelline has his kid enrolled.in…
    Drum roll, please…
    [name of school deleted, see gjr 1031pm comment below]
    Yet another case akin to a “Christian Scientist with appendicitis”

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  48. Shannon Pelline Avatar
    Shannon Pelline

    This blog has hit a new low: Permitting the disclosure of where a child goes to school on the Internet.
    Jeff and I have gone to public schools our whole lives, and we support them fully, but we are also interested in the religious element of education.
    Please remove the reference to the preceding post for privacy reasons.
    Thanks.

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  49. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, the students I referred to were able to earn scholarships to major universities based on competitive evaluations of scholarship so the curriculum of the High School must have been adequate to qualify for higher educational standards. You seem to miss the point of what I said, that the commitment of the family to a child’s education by providing a proper atmosphere and support for learning is essential whatever curriculum is being taught.
    Are you proposing that each schools curriculum be determined by that schools parents? How do you propose that parental involvement be expressed.
    My involvement with Charter Schools is pretty extensive and shows that in that format parental involvement is essential. That’s why George Bush’s No Child Left Behind was and is so resented by schools that chose an independent path.
    Now don’t try to tell me Bush didn’t support NCLB. We’ve been through that already.

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  50. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    I agree with Ms Pelline.
    Now we need an investigation into how such confidential information came into the hands of a stranger, and if criminal prosecution is appropriate.

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