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I donโ€™t know whether that overstates the case, but in any event itโ€™s not that far off.  Reading this morningโ€™s lead piece โ€˜STAR testsโ€™  in the 18aug11 Union, I was a little put off by the reporterโ€™s opening attempt at logic.

Despite efforts across western Nevada County to improve student test scores, money still matters in the realm of student achievement.

Districts where property values and household income tend to be higher โ€” and where affordable housing is less available โ€” did the best in results of California's Standardized Testing and Reporting program, or STAR, which were released this week.

Since the government can't make more well-to-do parents, the implication here is that we need to continue increasing the per student spending to improve the learning levels of our students.  This policy, of course, has not helped during the last forty years, but then it is the only progressive answer โ€“ โ€˜stasis is goodโ€™.  The correlation of household income to student performance has been explained in countless studies – in the aggregate, better earning parents are better educated and therefore support their chidren's education more, which yields better students.

Just so you donโ€™t misunderstand my stand on this, let me say it straight out โ€“ we donโ€™t have a student learning crisis, we have a long standing teacher crisis; it is time to get the dummies out of our classrooms, and attract good teaching talent into our schools.  And for icing on the cake, I really do believe that it has been the agenda and accomplishment of this countryโ€™s progressives to get unqualified teachers into the profession and keep them there through support of the teachersโ€™ unions.  It's called voter development.

After reading the article I was going to launch into an extended harangue about how Nevada County schools are screwing up.  Family matters intervened and we had to take our last grandkid to the airport to conclude what has been an extended week of enjoying some of our own arrows into the future.  By the time we got back, most of my points had been co-opted pretty well by readers in the wild comment stream to โ€˜An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots'.  The points there made are worth their own focus and discussion, so I am including here below a few selected and unedited comments (please go to the linked post to see other related comments).


*** Let's look at the STAR results for Nevada County…

First, we've historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students. So we must be doing pretty good in English-Language Arts, right? Well, for our 11th graders, 54% are below grade level.

We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.

The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.

The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.

More county wide totals:
Geometry… 63% below Proficient
Algebra II… 68% below Proficient

http://star.cde.ca.gov/star2011/ViewReport.aspx?ps=true&lstTestYear=2011&lstTestType=C&lstCounty=29&lstDistrict=&lstSchool=&lstGroup=1&lstSubGroup=1

Don't blame the high schools, the problems start in the elementary schools. If the kid can't write well or manipulate fractions without a calculator, they're entering high school with major handicaps.

Looking at the Grass Valley School District numbers, 48% of 6th graders are below Proficient in Math. Don't be too hard on them, though, since when STAR testing first started, after the Jon Byerrum experiment in whole math and whole language had a few years to take hold, fully half of their 3rd graders (the first class to get whole math with both barrels) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.

I understand from The Union and KNCO that County Sup. of Education Holly Hermansen is studying the results to see just where the problems are in our schools, but I expect Ms. Hermansen (aka Mrs. Jon Byerrum) has her eyes wide shut as to the root causes.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:15 AM

*** Here's a good one… NU Technical High School, the school within a school at our large comprehensive high school. 93% of the 15 kids in that group (meaning all but one) are below proficient in English. Fully 53% are Far Below Basic.

NU Tech seems to me to be a holding pen to take kids at risk of making the NUHS stats worse and putting them somewhere to isolate NUHS from that, while still allowing NU to get their daily cash for taking attendance.

Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 18 August 2011 at 11:36 AM

[On another matter, Russ Steele continues to highlight the frenetic desire of the local left to insert themselves into NC TPP affairs.  All this attention to a movement they consider withering and worthless is quite remarkable.  gjr]

*** I just posted this at NC Media Watch: Tea Party Patriots — Not a political party, but a state of mind

Our local left is "going postal" as the local Tea Party gains recognition in the community. The TPP was the largest group in the 4th of July Parade. The Tea Party Patriots are holding monthly events, including dinners, luncheons, free movies on critical issues, holding idea exchange forums, hosted a County Fair Booth, and are developing a strong presence on Facebook. They are every where, including attending BOS meetings and meeting one-on-one with Supervisors, City Council members and our local newspaper Publisher.

For some reason, the left is upset by this expanding visibility of the Tea Party Patriots in our community. They keep posting about polling information reported to show declining interest in the Tea Party and what they stand for:

You can read the rest of the post HERE.

Posted by: Russ Steele | 18 August 2011 at 01:38 PM 

 

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225 responses to “Do Our Schools Really Suck? (Working Title)”

  1. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keachie, the day I am useful to your ends is the day I go under the ground. You first.
    The classic primary school is K-8 and the classic secondary school is 9-12. The Grass Valley and Nevada City districts are elementary districts and they cover K-8. Mount Saint Mary Academy is an elementary school and is K-8. Yes, especially in public schools the 20th century trend has been to carve up K-12 in a number of ways, but elementary math and language continue to be K-8.

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  2. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “What are the K – 6th grade schools in the county? There must be at least one or two.”
    Do tell, Keachie. Find the K-6 school in your own county. Cue the Final Jeopardy theme music and cut a check to Merv Griffen.
    {While Keachie is on his snipe hunt, folks who don’t live in Doug Keachie’s county may not know there are no K-6 elementary schools here, but there are several K-8 elementary schools. The larger districts carve K-8 into two or three chunks}

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    I’ll followup on the question of HS graduation rates from Yuba Charter School. My recollection from times past was that it was quite high.

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  4. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, representation among the NUHS/BRHS valedictorians might also be interesting.

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  5. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Well Greg, I did already check it out, even before your post, and what you say is true, up here in this county.
    However, in the Bay Area, and I suspect LA and San Diego too, the 3 largest metro areas in the state, the pattern is typically an elementary school, K -5 or K – 6, a middle school 6 or 7th through 8th or 9th. Making a school k -8 is pretty much a sign that there was not enough population in k -6 to keep the doors open, even at $200,000 to $250,000/classroom your numbers not mine, and somewhat suspect. Source? Methodology?
    If you wish to go classic, then keep in mind that in Calfiornia during the 1950’s, Algebra was first offered in 9th grade, not 8th, and the more recent rend to offer it sooner is much like businesses being hounded for quarterly profits. They offer it in 8th, they cram it down throats in 8th, they even try and have EVERYBODY take it in eight, and it is a dismal failure. The schools were pushed to show that they were “better,” so this cockiemamie scheme was unleashed on the public, along with the notion that every dishwasher must have a 4 year degree in something.

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  6. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    San Francisco double lists all of the schools where they overlap between categories. Any k -8 school is listed under both elementary and middle schools. International Studies Academy, a 6 through 12 school, is listed under both middle and high schools. So apparently modern thinking has it that k through 5 (V) five, not k through 8, is elementary school.
    So you lost on your contention that k – 8 is elementary school material, and therefore algebra is NOT elementary school material, and therefore the CAHchoo* test just blew away the notion that it consists of only elementary school materials. Better luck next time, Greg.
    *we liberal arts folks are allowed poetic license.

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  7. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “Paul, representation among the NUHS/BRHS valedictorians might also be interesting. ”
    Only if properly correct for percentage of high school population, and if NU uses multiple valedictorians. If not, Yuba River Charter school has been in existence too short a time with too small a population to draw any statistically valid comparisons.
    I thought you were supposed to be a scientist, Greg.

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Golly, Keach, you stated there had to be one or two up here. When did you start subbing for the local schools?
    We’re in Nevada County, not Frisco. Better luck next time.

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  9. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “if NU uses multiple valedictorians”
    Something else keachie doen’t know about the local high schools. When did you start subbing there? Or reading The Union. Keach, if you are going to throw your opinion in the fan you should at least have a clue about your community. You’ve been here for what, 10 years?

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  10. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul, here’s the list of “valedictorians” this past year at BR and NU. Any chance some of them are Yuba River Charter kids? For extra credit, name the kids whose parents approved their being listed at The Union:
    Morgan Bachus, Jacquelyn Betz, Elan Carnahan, Willa Davis, Christine deLaveaga, Kaitlyn Dwelle, Kathryn Fuller, Alina Georgeson, David Giroux, Miranda Lawson, Onur Olmez, Cristina Paquin, Jennifer Paul, Anna Phelps, Reilly Raab, Samantha Solomon, Ethan Tietze, Kelsey Uno, Sierra Van Burkleo, Lauren Wells, Mariel Wyman, Emilie Yonan.
    Henry Alkire; Emma Arata; Samuel Asher; Eric Babin; Christa Baker; Kelsey Brennan; Angelo Campus; Nicholas Clyde; Elysha Cole; Theresa Conley; Ryan Coopergard; Mary Cozad; Annie Creasey; Ashley Davies; Walker Davis; Maddison Easley; Lily Faust; Abbey Fox; Nikita Gamolsky; Sunydip Gill; Cameron Gillespie; Maria Giuliani; Daniel Goodnow; Benjamin Gould; Eric Green; Kendra Green; Molly Hardesty-Moore; Kali Hardwick; Mara Havard; Flannery Hild; Morgan Imel; Brady Kane; Andrew Sky King; Simon Lambert; Jessica Lancaster; Jessica Lee; Jacob Lerner; Cody Long; Haley Luce; Shelby McClelland; Marnie McDowell; Vivian Miller; Zachary Myers; Chelsea Pardini; Morgan Prentice; Jordan Riley; Brooke Robinson; Ryan Thomas; Joshua Tygart; Mark Valentine; Chelsea Wadsworth; Jonika Weerasekare; Kailey Williams; Jade Won-Golder; Alice Young; Nicholas Zerbel.
    It may be that Keachie stopped looking at the Union when the blog got closed down and he had one less blog to vandalize.

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  11. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, Mount Saint Mary School is nicely overrepresented in the valedictorian stats. My son’s year provided about 3% of his class and they represented about 10 percent of the valedictorians. With an API of 709, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess Yuba River graduates, with a similar class size, haven’t done as well.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “We’re in Nevada County, not Frisco. Better luck next time.”
    Provincial snob who has less of a local pedigree than I do! LA to Silly valley to here. It’s called the State of California in all of those places, and the Nevada County Schools get their money from the State Superintendent of Schools.
    I’ve never taught in the elementary schools here, and my youngest was a high junior in high school by the time we got here permanently, She spent most of her time at Sierra College, so I wasn’t that connected to the hs then, and I’ve done very little subbing up here, less than a 2 months in the last six years, and the reason I asked the question indirectly was because I’d heard of the concept, probably by way of The Union. It’s not exactly the kind of thing I spent too much of my life contemplating, unlike some people who need to get a life, beyond dissing others.
    Now Greg, of that pool of roughly one hundred names out of how many graduates, what percentage should come from YRCS, by chance alone? Oh, first, to make it fair, reduce the list by the names of all the old line families, who, just might be, well connected….

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Keach still posts, occasionally, at the Towntalk, where The Union made EVERYBODY be a sockpuppet. What a solution! Besides, Keachie subscribes to the paper edition, does Greg?

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I suppose if Keachie can get away with questioning my science credentials, I can ask if he has any credibility whatsover on anything.
    No, “liberal arts folks” don’t have license to get it wrong time after time. Truth is more than just an abstract concept, Keach.

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  15. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Nope, Keach. San Gabriel Valley to Nevada County. Been here for nearly 20 years. Paternal grandfather born in Frisco, parents California natives. Never a silicon valley address.
    And you’re the one who knows nothing about the local schools! LOL

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  16. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Obvious the poetic pun went totally over your head, Greg. Better luck next time! Gotta run, back later this evening.

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  17. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keachie, you won’t be any more rational then than you are now, so why bother? Do everyone a favor and go away for good.

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  18. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    You hurt my feeling, Greg.

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  19. Steve Wynn Avatar
    Steve Wynn

    I find it rather funny as Mr. Rebane comes to support his alter ego Greg Goodknight….
    Why don’t you just put a hyphen between your names as anyone of any intelligence knows that you’re one and the same person? As you buddy Todd, say’s “Greg you’re just a sock puppet” and in this case it’s true as there is no Greg Goodnight in Northern California, and since you both have identical writings….
    Plus it would make it easier to congratulate yourself when you agree with yourself!

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  20. RL Crabb Avatar

    Sorry, Steve. Contrary to your comment, there most certainly is a Greg Goodnight, and a George Rebane. Weirdly enough, I used to think that this Greg was a Greg Goodnight I went to school with in the sixties, but after meeting the current one in the flesh I found there was no resembalance whatsoever.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    Amazing, but there you have it from the intelligent Mr Steve Wynn. Thank you for that timely revelation. One wonders whether this theme was also what passed for content on the FUE’s blog.

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg Goodknight looks nothing like George Rebane, if I recall correctly, based on having, I think, met Greg at a county auction once, and then at the Hospice Thrift Store.

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  23. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    While researching another topic in math, I came across this woman who seems to have a marvelous handle on it, outranks our skypilot academically, and has a terrific sense of humor.
    http://www.thejuliagroup.com/blog/?cat=5

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No Keach, I’ve never been to a county auction nor have I been to the hospice thrift Store.
    Keach, you are NEARLY as big an ass as Pelline.
    I am thoroughly amused at Whynne’s inability to spell.

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  25. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Btw, RLC, your spelling is also a bit off…
    And despite being born on different continents decades apart, disagreeing on religion,politics, music and computer science, George and I are identical twins ๐Ÿ˜‰

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