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Mr Paul Emery – KVMR news director, musical personage extraordinaire, bringer of arts, and erudite RR discussant – and I have been invited by the Nevada County TPP to engage in a moderated ‘civil discourse’ on issues of current interest as their featured special program for September.  The event will be held on the eve of 27 September in the Horseman’s Club lodge off Brunswick Road.

As readers may be aware, I am both a member of the NC TPP and a regular KVMR commentator.  However, both of us will be speaking as private individuals, neither claiming to represent the views of KVMR or the NC TPP.

The intent of the discussion and Q&A is to provide and explore today’s perspectives held by people of conservative and liberal persuasions in these contentious times.  (Paul and I are a self-declared ‘green libertarian’ and ‘conservetarian’ respectively.)  There will be no intent to make the exchange into a debate, but to keep it simply at the level of a comparative explication.

As a footnote of interest to this event, I want to draw your attention to the reaction of the local left after NC TPP announced the event and invited its attendance.  I was made aware by a regular reader that my participation in such an undertaking caused quite a dust-up on the blog of our former Union editor, Mr Jeff Pelline (here).  My correspondent supplied a copy of a comment stream from that blog which is faithfully replicated herein below.

Furthermore, I was also informed that progressives of many stripes presented themselves last week at the NC TPP’s fair booth to protest that the likes of me would be allowed to share a stage with Paul Emery.

Now what I find most interesting is that such people, who are virulently opposed to the very existence of the tea party movement and consider organizations like the NC TPP to be ‘terrorists’ and ‘hijackers’ of good governance, deign to publicly inject themselves as juries and judges of how the NC TPP may properly compose and undertake its gatherings.  Don’t get me wrong, such attempts to assess and control what is 'good, correct, and proper' in society is of a piece in the public implementation of progressive ideology.  Nevertheless, it is an illuminating confirmation to see it also being played out right here in Nevada County.

And below is the view from Mr Pelline’s blog, a left-shoulder venue that often and ardently proclaims its residence in the middle of the road.  The verbiage and vituperation is by Mr Steven Frisch, CEO of the Sierra Business Council, leading light of the county's left, and RR commenter.  The reader is, of course, invited to validate from these pages Mr Frisch’s vitriolic allegations.


Steven Frisch
Do you think Paul will ask George about:
1) his continued use of the term ‘raghead’
2) his contention that Islam is a religion of hate and thus must be resisted by American ‘patriots’
3) his contention that western civilization faces a threat the equal of the invasion of Europe by Muslims beginning in the 9th century and his comparison of modern times to the Crusades
4) his use of racial stereotypes to describe and refer to the President of the United States
5) his condoning the use of the term ‘jiggaboo’ on his web site
6) his believe in and promotion of separatism through the advancement of the concept of ‘the great divide’
7) his characterization of anyone who does not accept his radical right wing philosophy as a communist   his use of ‘dog whistle’ messages to relay one thing to true believers while appearing to be rational to the uninitiated
9) precisely what he means by “The right of a culture to endure and thrive in its homeland.”
Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I am an American, I do not have a Fatherland, I have a country that I have worked for and love, not a belief system that must predominate over others in order to cement my identity.
I fear that civil means ‘kid-glove’.
WE CAN NOT keep treating these people with kid gloves. They are promoting a radical agenda, that is antithetical to core American values, that will lead to the destruction and dissolution of our nation.
They are not Patriots. They do not own that word.
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Steven Frisch
I’m actually wondering why Paul would do this with George rather than a board member or officer?
Here are the board members:
Stan Meckler – President
Nancy Garcia – Vice President
Donna Burley – Secretary
Jodi Davis – Treasurer
Lou Wilson – Events
Randi Briggs – Mail/Phone
David Swift – Communications
Shelly Rose – Next Generation
Rick Briggs – Phone Tree
Sue McGuire – Volunteers
Elaine Meckler – At Large
Eddie Garcia – At Large
Jerry Cadick – At Large
My guess is that George will be able to shield the impact of his statements on the broader group, should there be a ‘macaca moment’, by stating up front that he is not speaking on behalf of the NCTPP.
In which case this is just window dressing bullshit.
I want the KVMR news director to do some old fashioned NEWS.
You know, hard news; like what is the real agenda of the TPP relative to Mark Meckler’s 40 year plan that is available on You Tube? where did the $1 million the California TPP’s get come from? What is the relationship between Don Blankenship, Massey Energy and Verizon and the TPP? How about Freedom Works?
If the Tea Party movement is all about transparency in government why do they maintain a distributed network (kind of like terrorist cells) that make it impossible to understand the relationship between the groups?
Or issues like what is their tax status and can we see their 990′s and audited financial statements? if they are a 501c-4, how can they say they are not a political organization since the intent of a c-4, or ‘social welfare organization’ is to engage in politics? if they are ‘non-partisan’ why do they only endorse Republicans? how can they say they are not a political organization when the definition of powers for a c-4 is: “501(c)(4) organizations may lobby for legislation, and unlike 501(c)(3) organizations they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as campaigning is not the organization’s primary purpose.” Can they honestly say that the organizations primary purpose is not campaigning? how can we see that?
Hey Tea Party, do you share George’s desire for a culturally pure homeland?
How about a little less commentary from a wanna be intellectual and some more hard friggin’ hard NEWS?
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Steven Frisch
Here is good example of the attack on diversity found on George’s blog:
“British social scientists are quietly starting to ascribe the cause of the ongoing riots in the UK to multi-culturalism (gasp!). It seems that there is insufficient reason to suspect deprivation of this sort or that since Great Britain is one of the most socially generous and culture-compliant countries in the world. The rioters have been mostly black Africans who have attacked the shops and businesses of other ethnic groups in UK’s major cities. (The police shot one of their gang members.) In response, the target ethnics – Pakistanis, Sikhs, Turks, … – have coagulated into defensive ethno-centric vigilante platoons since police protection is sparse and late. Prime Minister Cameron and other European leaders have already gone public with their assessments of how mulikulti affects their respective countries. Tough reporting job for the leftwing press.”
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/08/ruminations-11aug2011.html#comments
Notice there is no reference to which ‘British social scientists’ are ascribing the cause of the rioting to multiculturalism. Notice that George discounts “deprivation” as a cause, even though numerous British sources have pointed directly at the austerity plans, and anger over them, as a cause (call me on it and I will cite sources). Notice that George implies that European leaders are ascribing these riots to race, when in reality David Cameron has been quite clear that he ascribes them to criminality. Notice that George calls protecting ones property “defensive ethno-centirc vigilante platoons”; one wonders if, as a property rights advocate, he would define white middle-class residents the same way? Notice that George ignores the fact that MANY of the rioters arrested were white, middle class, opportunists, rather than people motivated by some multicultural revenge agenda.
This is once again an example of how George engages in dog whistle racist political messages.
I know a racist, a religious bigot, and an intellectually dishonest propagandist, when I see one.

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188 responses to “An Evening with the Tea Party Patriots”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “We might expect our math scores to be worse, and we would be right.
    The 6th grade is the last year before the most advanced students split away from the general track, and at that point, 45% are below grade level (Proficient) in Nevada County.
    The creme de la creme take Algebra I in the 7th grade (about one in twelve) and they do pretty well, and kids who are on track take it in the 8th grade.The county-wide Algebra I numbers show 66% are below Proficient when tested.
    More county wide totals:
    Geometry… 63% below Proficient
    Algebra II… 68% below Proficient”
    I’m so glad Greg has finally identified the 5% of the teachers who need to be fired, like the entirety of the middle school Math Depts., I suppose…

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  2. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg for all his brilliance with the numbers themselves totally misses something any basic social scientist will catch in an instant.
    “First, we’ve historically the most Euro of any county in California, and the fewest ESL students.”
    Two things:
    Our Euros are very heavily stacked in the above child rearing age,
    In a state where ESL numbers can range up to 80% and above, being the “lowest” doesn’t necessarily could for diddly.
    Being able to run the numbers is helpful for accuracy, but may be of little use if the validity of what you are running is in question.

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  3. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “count for diddly.”

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  4. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The important thing Keachie is missing (very possibly done intentionally) is that English is the native tongue of the middle class Euro kids who are the overwhelming inhabitants of Nevada County schools.
    McAteer, during his all too long tenure in NC schools and the local Ed bureaucracy, would trumpet every state test result with the proclamation that the local schools beat even top rated Marin, while avoiding the inconvenient truth that Marin had a significant ESL population, and when Marin kids who grew up speaking English were compared to our Nevada County kids who grew up speaking English, our kids were left in the dust. As Tony Waters mentions at the FUE blog, NUHS is in the third decile (from the bottom) when compared to similar schools, and BRHS is in the bottom decile of their similar school group.
    We don’t need more apologists for lousy public education outcomes.

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  5. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Greg,
    Shouldn’t you disclose your personal run in with McAteer?

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Greg, when my kids were in Nevada City elementary during the 90’s the educational experiment dejour then was “?we don’t care if they can spell”. I had a few meetings with them school and they never back down. We now have many kids who cannot spell.
    BTW, I misspell myself but I am just lazy.

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  7. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    I’m done with all this bullshit over polls and TP
    11% of Americans are Satisfied with the Country – so I don’t give a chit whether they are TP members or Mormons, Black, White, Hisp or even the Ragheads whatever
    The Democrats have been in control of congress 2006 – then the Presidency since 2008 and this place SUCKS BIG ONES since then
    So Mr Crabb make a decision yourself on gay marriage and illegal immagration, I doubt anyone will change it anyway.
    personally I could care less if the next President is for or against gay marriage
    The TP has bigger fish to fry – the country is a fiscal disaster, nothing else should matter and to them it doesn’t – we may not have a fricken country/banking system or anything soon – so who gives a crap, except the lefties cause they SUCK at fiscal anything – nobody wants to loan us shit
    PS – WE ARE OFFICIALLY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY – JUST SAY’IN

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    What “personal run in” with McAteer is pelline hallucinating, and how does that relate to this?

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  9. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Didn’t you discuss on my blog once about a personal run in you had with the school? It’s relevant because it could color your analysis.

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  10. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    What quarrel with McAteer are you hallucinating, Jeff? As far as the one consult I had with him regarding bad acts at the high school, he did tell me Matheson had many up in arms and that it was due to his (MM) “poor administrative skills”, but TMcA was not involved in any substantive way.
    The good that came of that is that all NJUHSD teachers now must certify the grades are based on reality. Of three victims of that rogue math teacher I know of just in my circle of friends, one now has a math phd from cal, another is working on a physics phd at another UC and a third is at Harvard for chemical physics.

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  11. jeff pelline Avatar
    jeff pelline

    I see. Thanks for the condensed version. lol.

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  12. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    LOL? There was nothing funny about it. Just how warped are you, Jeff? No wonder you were universally despised at The Union.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg’s again missing another inconvenient point of demographics. The middle to upper classes of Marin are based on money earned the professional, college degree requiring way(as in the doctors, lawyers, university professor, and yes, high school teachers). Many of San Francisco’s professional workers can and have afforded Marin to get out of the city. There is nothing compared to San Francisco up here that would support such a population.
    The middle class of Nevada county consists far more, of successful blue collar entrepreneurs, without the same strong academic backgrounds as their equally wealthy Marin counterparts. Their kids do not have the same advantages growing up. BTW, daughter went to private kindergarten in Marin where they learned to write spelling every which way. She had no problems growing out of it, and learned to love reading and writing early on.

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, arguments regarding demographics does nothing to justify McAteers claims, and Marin isn’t that upper crust.

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  15. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Good point Keach. Greg is a little out of touch: He calls San Francisco “Fricso.” Lol.

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  16. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Much of the world calls the place Frisco, including many young natives who have had enough of the pretense
    Pelline, you are a piece of work; I can’t wait for you to find your kid isn’t getting the education you expected. LOL!

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  17. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    He is. I told him about you temper tantrum at the Constitution Day parade! LOL

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  18. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    “and Marin isn’t that upper crust.”
    but the upper middle class there is far more academically educated than the same core group here, for the reasons I stated. Have you ever lived in Marin , Greg?

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  19. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    There was no “temper tantrum”, Jeff. That’s par for your journalism; make up something to fit the story you want to tell.

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  20. Jeff Pelline Avatar
    Jeff Pelline

    Doug,
    Don’t bother.

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  21. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Your Bay Area super money folks north of Stanford are Atherton, Woodside, Hillsborough, Piedmont, Blackhawk, Ross, Belvedere, and lots of the rest of Southern Marin. Don’t leave out George Lucas in San Anselmo, and out Lucas Valley Road (not named for him), at Skywalker Ranch.

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  22. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Folks new to Pelline might not know his BA at Cal was Rhetoric. He has a much better sense than Keach for when the argument is lost.
    Pelline, you told a lie about me here. Time for you to issue a retraction.

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  23. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, time for you to give your lawyer a good laugh.
    On the whole, I’d say the schools up here are doing quite well. Somebody must have a snirdle in his noodle to think otherwise.
    NEVADA JOINT UNION HIGH 801 799 D 2
    High Schools
    Bear River High 807 818 A -11 Yes Yes Yes
    Nevada Union High 809 806 A 3 Yes Yes Yes
    William & Marian Ghidotti High 920 878 A 42 Yes Yes Yes
    Small Schools
    Sierra Mountain High 787* 723* 5 64 Yes Yes Yes
    ASAM Schools
    NU Tech High
    Pioneer High (Continuation)
    Sierra Foothill High (Continuation)
    Silver Springs High (Continuation) 610* 507*

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I met the lawyer for this Frisco club on St.Patrick’s day over corned beef and cabbage in Nevada City’s best Irish pub:
    http://www.friscohellsangels.com
    The wingnut Big Boy should argue the point with those guys.
    My friend and fellow Marching President RL Crabb can verify the gentility of my actions at the Parade. Pelline is a liar.

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  25. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Goys are allowed to have temper tantrums too.

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  26. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Jeff, I realize this is a mathematical concept that a rhetorician turned “journalist” might have a problem with, but with the demographics of NUHS and BRHS parents, nearly the same rate of having a Bachelors or better as Marin County as a whole, the scores should be significantly higher.
    I know for a fact that CSU Chico’s Tony Waters has told you the same thing over in your sandbox, which has a great need to be scooped out and fresh litter added.
    And the NJUHSD does move troubled kids out to the continuation schools so that when they do drop out, they don’t blow the BR and NU statistics. Looking at the 2009 STAR against the 2011 STAR, the 11th grade cohort was early 100 larger then than now.
    Pelline, you are as bad an apologist for poor performance as Keachie, and nearly as confused.

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  27. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Here’s the similar schools page for NUHS…
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009BaseSchSS.aspx?allcds=29-66357-2935500&c=R
    Note NU is in the 3rd decile.
    Here’s the similar schools page for the whole county:
    http://ayp.cde.ca.gov/reports/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Co.aspx?cSelect=29,Nevada&c=R
    Note the following Nevada County Schools have wretched 1 similar school ranks (meaning the bottom 10%):
    Scotten
    Nevada City School of the Arts
    Yuba River Charter
    Williams Ranch Elementary
    Pleasant Valley Elementary
    Ready Springs Elementary
    There are a few decent schools here, but the good news is sparse. Had you done your job at The Union, Jeff, you could have figured this out long ago.

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  28. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Of the regular schools in the county, only Deer Creek Elementary with an 8 similar schools ranking, and Pleasant Ridge Elementary with a 7, exceeded expectations.

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  29. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    man oh man, “How to lie with Statistics” * revisited!
    “Note the following Nevada County Schools have wretched 1 similar school ranks (meaning the bottom 10%):”
    The bottom 10% of what, Greg?
    Are you hoping the average reader will see that and go, OMG!
    Why don’t you try to be just a little bit more forthcoming about what it is you are reporting. Are you trying out for FOX news?
    * The book was written in 1945. I studied it in 1967, and I browsed the bookstore a year or two ago, and it is STILL in use as the main text for Stat 101A, at UC Berkeley.

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  30. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    I suspect our math snob is hoping that:
    “Note NU is in the 3rd decile.”
    will be treated as something like 3rd place, not very good, instead of ahead of at least 70% of the rest of California, and maybe as high as ahead of 79.9999% of California.

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  31. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Sorry, Keach, but you got it backwards, again. That’s 3rd decile from the BOTTOM. Roughly 70+% of the California schools with similar demographics do better than NU.

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Sorry Greg, you got it wrong again, compared to all California schools, how does NU rate?

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  33. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Once again Greg, the college degrees up here belong to the old folks who retired here, and so does much of the high income, see George Rebane as a typical example. They are NOT the parents of the kids in school here, and so the attempt to compare the schools here with other “similar” districts FAILS, big time.

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  34. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Greg, the way you’ve been presenting material in this thread reminds me of the legendary reporting style of Izvestia.
    Seems the USA and Russia were in some sort of contest, and the USA beat Russia handily.
    In the very next edition of Izvestia in big block headlines:
    “Russia Takes 2nd place!”
    followed by, in much smaller type:
    “USA comes in next to last.”

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Actually I take that last back, although I believe it to be true. Guess what champions of knowledge they’ve enrolled in the State’s Star testing program? I mean the validity is just going to be terrific here, check this out:
    Parent Education Level (STAR)
    Percentage with a response* 94
    Of those with a response:
    Not a high school graduate 1
    High school graduate 15
    Some college 34
    College graduate 29
    Graduate school 21
    *This number is the percentage of student answer documents with stated parent education level information.
    In short, they depend on less than 1 student in 15 of a total population, using only those who choose to volunteer the information, and there are no efforts at checking the data for truthiness or reliability at all!
    FAIL!
    I knew the STAR was pretty Mickey Mouse, but this takes the cake!
    And here is Greg, who has measuring the quality of various degrees issued by various institutions with precision beyond belief, running a muck with data so poorly collected, it wouldn’t be allowed in a 7th grade science fair!
    ROTFLMAO!

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Talk about losing, Greg, go back to your cloud chambers and watch the muons spin.

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  37. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is a thought for you from Powerline:
    The philosophy of the Tea Party movement can be summed up in the proposition that the federal government should stop racking up massive debt, and should do so by cutting spending. This view is routinely denounced by Democratic Party politicians and journalists as extreme; outrageous; radical. They trot out various “experts” to support this view.
    In fact, however, the Tea Party’s perspective is precisely the one that is supported by most economists, as CNBC reports:
    The majority of economists surveyed by the National Association for Business Economics believe that the federal deficit should be reduced only or primarily through spending cuts.
    The survey out Monday found that 56 percent of the NABE members surveyed felt that way, while 37 percent said they favor equal parts spending cuts and tax increases. The remaining 7 percent believe it should be done only or mostly through tax increases.

    In fact, it is the belief of the Obama administration and Congressional Democrats that it is perfectly fine to rack up $4 trillion in new debt in three years that is extreme, outrageous and radical. It is the Tea Party whose economic views are mainstream.

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  38. Douglas Keachie Avatar
    Douglas Keachie

    Just which economists do you think this group would be asking? Would they be asking those working for business owners, or for union leaders? How many, in real numbers, were actually surveyed?
    “The majority of economists surveyed by the National Association for Business Economics believe that”

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