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George Rebane

This is just a little stake in the ground so I can keep the audacious prognostication momentum going on RR (and put myself at your mercy if I’m wrong).  The Fed under The Bernank has put out the message that there will be no QE3 as the previous two quantitative easings (aka printing faith-based money) have been known.  Instead, the chairman today set a new record for clarity in stating that current interest rates have been chiseled into a two-year stone.  And everyone is talking about that.

Dear readers, I’m asking you to look at the other hand, the one below the table.  The to-be-anointed Divided Disciples are going to crash and burn, and this holiday season will have Santa Claus putting a lot of lumps of coal into stockings hung with care.  Some time before the primary season ends next year, the Keynesians in the administration are going to demand more of that ol’ stimulation.  But the kind that was misspent in the government directed projects of QE1 and QE2 won’t do any more.  Both the Democrats and the Fed would then look as if the ‘do again, expect different’ insanity definition was written for them.

BernankeTrillion

As a change, Bernanke will try to pump fresh cash into the other end of the economy – put more liquidity in the hands of people who actually know how to create jobs.  It still fits the Keynesian mold, but from a distance doesn’t look leftwing Keynesian.  And he can do that by quietly starting to buy securities (stocks, funds, hedge products, real estate, …) to ‘balance out’ the Fed’s asset accounts.

This QE3 will be a direct infusion of newly printed cash into the private sector that bypasses the dead hand of the US Treasury under Heckuva Job Geithner.  Now I’m not sure how well spoon feeding the economy from this end will work.  But sure as hell, the Fed’s pouring liquidity through the enema tube has not restored regularity to the beast.

[update]  Sumbich, that was easier than I thought.  Today’s WSJ came out with a piece  – ‘More Fed Bond Buys HInge on Inflation, Indicators’ – that blithely had the following –

Four words in the central bank’s announcement Tuesday—the acknowledgment that policy makers discussed a “range of policy tools”—indicated to investors eager for a government fix to the economy that the Fed was willing to take further steps. More than anything, markets are expecting a new, third round of bond purchases known as quantitative easing, or QE3. (emphasis mine)

Nowhere was it mentioned (admitted?) that the Bernank had told Congress that no QE3 was required or planned.  So now the only question remains as for what kinds of assets the Fed is willing to print new money.  The market’s continued nosedive today provides some mighty attractive buys; the Fed may even make money on some of that stuff and be able to take cash out of the system.  Now that’s a novel thought.

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62 responses to “Bernanke’s ‘non-Keynesian’ QE3 (updated)”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    If you don’t get enough coal, I’ve got lots of firewood for sale cheap. BTW, at current, much higher, retail prices, propane vs wood is about a wash, BTU wise. Of course for me, you get to come pick it up. Delivery is the killer, from the seller’s point of view.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Over-regulation and lack of available credit are what make anything they do a failure before they start. The only winners if I can use that term, will be those that are already in fat city. The middle class will not benefit. The Obama theories are to wreck the middle class and unless the government places a hold on new regulations and gets rid of many others ASP, America will be in the crapper for a long time. I know a small local business that receives new dictates almost on a daily basis from the State and Fed regarding employees. They also now have to stop their health care package because it costs more than some of the people earn a month there. They blame the over-regulation and fear of the unknown of Obamacare as the main culprits.

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    The nation is in trouble and we have even more trouble right here in our back yard. In the first month our fiscal year CA revenues were down $538 million. CA owes over $11 billion to the Feds that they borrowed to pay the unemployment benefits, and their is no money in the till to pay even the interest. Democrat Treasurer Lockyer “borrowed” $5.1 billion from the banks to cover us in case Congress could not come up with a debt deal? Congress came up with the deal–and he still borrowed the money.
    Brown’s budget which the Democrats passed, with strong opposition from Republicans, had $4 billion in increased revenues baked in to it. Analysts raised the red flag before it was pass and now it is almost impossible to get the $4 billion in extra revenue reports Mercury News:
    Brown’s “revenue projections were silly before,” said Chris Thornberg, founding principal at Beacon Economics, a Los Angeles consulting group. “It was always unrealistic, and now it’s just that much less realistic”….
    It appears the state’s economy “will be slower in the months ahead than it appeared a couple of months ago,” said Stephen Levy, director and senior economist of the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy in Palo Alto. So the state is “unlikely to get an extra $4 billion in revenues from general growth”….
    CA is a bankrupt ward of a broke Federal government. Where do we go from here?

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  4. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    We have tried to take back the State from the kids under the dome most of my life and only did it one year, 1995. The left has a stranglehold and it looks like the Redistricting Commission which I had hope for, is going to increase the lefts hegemony. We are screwed for another 20 years at a minimum. I’ll be croaked long before we see grownups in charge here. Maybe California could break into two parts, lib coast, inland Americans.

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  5. DM Avatar
    DM

    Keache selling firewood? What will your ECO friends say? Forget that’s NOT environmentally ” friendly”? Firewood is considered a “gross polluter”. Another ” Do as I say, not as I do.”
    Wood stoves have been in the ECO wackos cross hairs for years.
    Every Winter we have seen letters to the editor about people complaining about the wood stove smoke hanging over Nevada City on a cold, still morning. ( usually ECO nut transplants from the bay)
    Sorry Keach,, you need to have one of those pellet stoves that run on batteries when the power goes out. You know the ones your ECO friends have been trying to regulate us into buying?

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  6. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    They can pry my wood burning stove from my cold dead hands.
    Dems, Indies, Repubs UNITE….End the FED.

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  7. Mikey McD Avatar

    OBAMA just finished a meeting with the Bernank…
    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
    Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
    3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

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  8. Ben Emery Avatar

    http://www.benemery.org/financial-market-reform.html
    Greenspan and his Rand ideology while in charge of The Fed is was brought us here. With those policies plus $5 billion lobbying in the 90’s gave Wall St and bankers the deregulation needed to cause the financial crisis. So why on earth do we allow them to have any power over getting out us out of the mess they created?
    1) The Fed needs to be folded into the US Treasury and books opened up for all to see where the money is going
    2) Repeal Gramm- Leach- Bliley while reinstating Glass-Steagall
    3) Repeal CFMA 2000
    4) STET Tax 0.25% on any Wall St transaction
    5) Break up BofA, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and dissolve Goldman Sachs

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  9. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Damn keachie that is just soooo 1850ish, next thing you know they’ll want to start digging for gold again jeezzz

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    The Swedes make a stove/boiler/heater for households that burns wood with almost zero pollution, so mass produce those, and bring the cost down from the current $7,000 per. Of course, we just paid Brewer $7,000 for a propane powered HVAC unit…

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    BenE – thanks for the explicit observations/recommendations. They add to this dialogue. On your website you are silent about the 2008 TARP legislation that was fashioned by a fully Democratic Congress. If W made a mistake signing it, then something needs to be said about that Congress bringing the bill to him for signature.
    Your #4 will have a chilling effect on the broad public’s access to investments in securities, now made more facile than ever through the web. Since profits are taxed anyway, was there a reason for levying that extra punishment on the consumer?
    DougK – sounds like a great wood stove; can you get us some more info on how we can get one? Thanks.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Looking for it, found it years ago, got lit, which went in the last purge of files.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Thanks DougK, I’m excited and looking for ways that it makes sense at our house.

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  14. Ben Emery Avatar

    George,
    I thought the banks should have failed and the government should have put a moratorium on primary mortgages and picked up the bad mortgages at 3% interest rate saving us against the bets on those specific FDIC backed derivatives(Gramm- Leach- Bliley). What nailed the US was the FDIC insured bets(derivatives) with time bombs(subprime loans)inserted into them giving them a very high % of crashing. That is the CFMA 2000 I mentioned above. Glass Steagall would make it illegal for FDIC commercial lending banks to mix with Investment banks once again.
    As for the STET Tax it would slow down high frequency trading and the speculation market. Wall St is not the same as your fathers Wall St. We are seeing one company make hundreds of thousands of trades per hour without any fees for doing so. As for common people doing E trading we are talking peanuts. $100 transaction would be, what 25cents? What this would do would either create huge amounts of revenue desperately needed or will tamp down out of control speculation bring the costs of commodities back to practical world levels, which would reduce the food riots going on around the world. The STET tax was used to pay for the Spanish American War and was in place as late as the 1960’s.
    Speaking of Sweden with the wood stoves they did this very thing thing with their banks after the very similar economic/ banking policies destroyed their economy in the early 90’s. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/business/worldbusiness/23krona.html

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  15. Mikey McD Avatar

    1) End The FED, now.
    2) reinstate Glass-Steagall (reinforce that FDIC insured banks may not use depositors funds for investment house securities)

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  16. Mikey McD Avatar

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas today for its role in a massive voter fraud conspiracy.
    Judge Donald Mosley said if an individual, as opposed to a corporation, had been before him, he would have handed down a 10-year prison sentence. “And I wouldn’t have thought twice about it,” he said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
    http://biggovernment.com/mvadum/2011/08/10/breaking-banana-republic-acorn-hit-with-maximum-fine-in-voter-fraud-scheme/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29&utm_content=Twitter

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  17. Ben Emery Avatar

    See Mickey, we can agree on things. Central Banks and fractional reserve banking at interest is a viscous debt cycle that takes down nations, as we are seeing all over the world at the moment.

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  18. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    George explain to me the purpose other than cash infusion so the seller can buy the next set of bonds and sell them back too – at a profit of course, Interest rates are about as low as they can go – actually negative in most cases

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  19. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “2) reinstate Glass-Steagall (reinforce that FDIC insured banks may not use depositors funds for investment house securities)”
    Surely you jest. Didn’t Phil Gramm (R) of TEXAS put a lot of work into getting rid of it?
    speaking of TEXAS:
    They took 28 billion in Federal aid, despite Perry’s downgrading of the concept.

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  20. George Rebane Avatar

    Not sure I undestood your question Dixon. Bernanke buying bonds now would just be pumping cash into the economy at a loss, interest rates can only go up, hence bonds down. But Bernanke can buy stocks at current lows and sell after they recover for a profit, thereby taking more money out of the economy. But that starts monkeying with the markets to have such a big gorilla enter it.

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Douglas – the Swedes are mass producing them. Even if the cost came down a lot, I couldn’t see buying one as it’s too expensive. You need to factor in the cost of all the other stuff to make it work. I’m not rich like you, so what I did was buy a water heater 30 years ago (used) for 50 bucks and buy a (used) Vermont Castings wood stove. My electric bill is about 100 bucks a month for the whole house and the wood for the stove is dead or lying around on the ground. Burning wood makes less “green house” gas than having it decompose. I’m sure the the box that looks like an IBM computer is just swell, but please let folks on a small income have their old wood stoves.

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    ScottO,
    I have several, just one in use at the present time, bought most of them for under $20 as various garage sales. Currently Habitat Restore has a bunch, all priced in between $100 and $800, about double what they were charging this spring. Of course you can’t install most of these without a permit (which, as you have pointed out, you can get, too much pollution), and still have your insurance pay off if the insurance company can make even the slightest bit of a case that your “illegal” installation may have contributed to the issue.
    So none of those older, perfectly serviceable stoves will go in the main house structure, unless they can be part of a supposedly “decorative” fireplace. The one that is in there was permitted back when the house was built in 1991. Functionally and designwise, it is no different than my hoarder collection, and no less polluting. Pollution can be controlled by proper loading and proper use of well aged wood.
    BTW, I’m not rich like you either, at least not financially.
    Other stoves for hot tub, barn, patio, etc.

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  23. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Tonight’s talking point is a really slick piece of writing I can’t help but pass on, from a posting that lists every brand associated with the Koch Brothers:
    “The kochtopus’ roots
    Reply #214 on : Sun July 10, 2011, 08:00:06
    Let’s keep in mind where these “great Americans” company began under their father Fred. Fred built more than a dozen oil refineries for Joe Stalin. Fast forward 20 or so years and Fred is a charter member of The John Birch Society.
    I don’t trust his scheming progeny, nor their 3 dozen front organizations, such as the Cato Institute. Citizens United has given them the cover to increase their nefarious machinations to whatever level they so choose. They cloak themselves in Libertarian jargon, but when it’s distilled to its esssence, do you really think that they espouse liberty for the masses? More likely just the plutocrats and their minions wil enjoy the freedom, while the rest of us un-washed rabble will be left to struggle through an increasingly malthusian scenario.”

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  24. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    And this morning there’s a shooting at the defense ministry in Estonia, and Palin is trying to be a real life pop-ad in Iowa. Wake up you slackers!

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  25. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    You’ve gone off half cocked, MikeyMcD, Wrong Koch, your Koch is obviously not a third brother of the two über-inheriting, billionaire babies.
    “Koch was born in The Bronx, New York City, New York[1] to a Conservative Jewish family residing in Newark, New Jersey, where his father worked at a theater. As a child he worked as a hatcheck boy in a Newark dance hall[2]. He gradurated from South Side High School in Newark in 1941.[3] He was drafted[4] into the United States Army in 1943 where he served as an infantryman with the 104th Infantry Division, landing in Cherbourg, France in September 1944. He earned two Battle Stars as a Combat Infantryman. He was honorably discharged with the rank of Sergeant in 1946.[1] Koch returned to New York City to attend City College of New York and New York University School of Law and received his law degree in 1948.
    [edit] U.S. Congressman
    Koch was the Democratic US Representative from New York’s 17th congressional district from January 3, 1969 until January 3, 1973, when after a redistricting he represented New York’s 18th congressional district until December 31, 1977, when he resigned to become Mayor of New York City.
    Koch has said he began his political career as “just a plain liberal,” with positions including opposing the Vietnam War and marching in the South for civil rights.[5] He has traced the beginning of his rightward shift towards being a “liberal with sanity” to the controversy in 1973 around then-New York City Mayor John Lindsay’s attempt to place a 3,000-person housing project in the middle of a middle-class community in Forest Hills, Queens. Congressman Koch met with residents of the community, most of whom were against the proposal. He was convinced by their arguments, and spoke out against the plan; this decision, he has said, shocked many of his political associates.[6]
    Koch was active in advocating for a greater US role in advancing human rights, within the context of fighting the worldwide threat of communism. He had particular influence in the foreign aid budget, as he sat on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations. In 1976, Koch proposed that the US cut off foreign aid to the right-wing government of Uruguay. In mid-July 1976, the CIA learned that two high-level Uruguayan intelligence officers had discussed a possible assassination attempt on Koch by DINA, the Chilean secret police. The CIA did not regard these threats as credible until after the September, 1976 assassination of Orlando Letelier in Washington, DC by DINA agents coordinated by Operation Condor. After this assassination, then-Director of Central Intelligence George Bush informed Koch by phone of the threat. Koch subsequently asked both CIA and FBI for protection, but none was extended.[7]
    [edit] Mayor of New York City
    [edit] 1977 election and first term
    See also: New York City mayoral election, 1977
    Koch meets President Jimmy Carter for the first time as the Mayor of New York, along with his long-time ally and the former opponent in the mayoral bid, Congresswoman Bella Abzug (February 1978)
    In 1977, Koch ran in the Democratic primary of the New York City mayoral election against incumbent Abe Beame, Bella Abzug and Mario Cuomo, among others. Koch ran to the right of the other candidates, on a “law and order” platform. According to historian Jonathan Mahler, the blackout that happened in July of that year, and the subsequent rioting, helped catapult Koch and his message of restoring public safety to front-runner status.[8]

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  26. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Apologies for using the wrong link… my day job gets in the way sometimes…
    How about a Ron (or Rand) Paul and Koch VP ticket in 2012… where do I send the check?

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  27. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    What’s THAT about? I sorta doubt Mickey McD was confusing Ed with the otheres. A little joke?

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  28. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    larryW, the joke’s on you. MikeyM and I understand one another. that would be Ron Paul and ED Koch for 2012.
    Koch’s PR team has their work cut out for them. last name “Koch” is a very, very dirty word in left wing circles just now. There are calls for boycotts of all Koch products, including Brawny, AngelSoft, etc. Koch employes 200,000 people, 150,000 of them work overseas.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar

    Koch/ Koch 2012 is one of the most disgusting ideas imaginable. These silverspoon billionaires have done nothing to improve the world but instead invested into gaming the system to further increase the size of their unearned capital/ wealth.
    This is what the tea partiers are mad about but having connected the dots yet. Our government works for the Kochs and their buddies instead of the people. Mickey you seem like a nice enough person but you are completely on the wrong side of this subject.

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  30. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Ben, my goal was to get a rise out of DK; sorry it worked so well on you.
    I am a Ron (Rand) Paul man.
    Again, sorry to have caught you in the fray.

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  31. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BenE, the Koch brothers employee thousands of Americans and own many important businesses. They use their money to promote freedom and the capitalism. Since you are a wikipedia fan, read this and then spank yourself.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industriesystem.

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  32. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Ben, pay attention, ED Koch is neither of the two billionaire brothers.

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  33. Ben Emery Avatar

    Mickey,
    Two agreements in one week, I like Ron Paul and have many issues where we agree. He seems to be one of the few honest reps in DC. On his overall ideology probably not but being genuine goes a long way with me.

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  34. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Keach, I got Mickey’s joke. “What’s THAT about” was in reference to your wasting so much bandwith with a biography of a guy we’ve all known for forty years!

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  35. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    ToddJ, 3 out of 4 Koch employees are overseas, let Koch bring those jobs home!

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  36. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Corporations will be like people the day they get turned down for a bailout due to “pre-existing conditions.”

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  37. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK re your 250pm – For once, we both are waiting for the same day on corporate bailouts.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Breaking news
    Even the super rich are speaking out that they are undertaxed and are not paying their fair share.
    “Warren Buffett, the third wealthiest man in the world with a net worth of about $80 billion, is demanding the U.S. government make the rich like him pay higher taxes and says they should no longer be protected like endangered “spotted owls.”
    In a New York Times op-ed on Monday, titled “Stop Coddling the Rich,” Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway’s chair and CEO, said he and his “mega-rich” friends have been spared the “shared sacrifice” the country’s leaders have asked for as the country veers toward a double-dip recession.”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61370.html#ixzz1V7kerI00

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  39. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Warren Buffett Is A Piker- There I Said It
    Because of my affinity for economics and philosophy (politics) folks often times expect/assume that I am a big fan of Warren Buffett. I am not. I am much more a fan of Warren’s father Howard Buffett, a libertarian-conservative-congressman who fought against Roosevelt’s New Deal (and Truman’s socialism lite).
    It is my perception that Warren Buffett is far more egotistical and arrogant than the main stream media sells. He is admired by the likes of CNBC not for his ability to produce (make money), but for his seemingly socialistic tendencies. Warren is on record as a Hillary Clinton and Obama supporter, a fan of the progressive tax system, an advocate for making the wealthy pay more into social security/medicare, etc.
    Warren’s I LOVE YOU GOVERNMENT op/ed in The New York Times is another example of his pro big government ideology. He did flirt with thoughts similar to what his father believed when he said “Often you are wasteful, and sometimes you are bullying. On occasion, you are downright maddening.” But, these 15 words could not erase the love affair which Warren described in rest of the op/ed. He said,”Well, Uncle Sam, you delivered…I would like to commend a few of your troops… acted with courage and dispatch…When the crisis struck, I felt you would understand the role you had to play…”
    My biggest beef with the op/ed was the disrespect Warren exercised against the American taxpayer. Note that the ‘government butt kissing op/ed’ did not thank the American taxpayers- ya know the ones that signed the bailout checks!!? Your welcome Mr. Buffett. [And don’t get me started on how much money Buffett made and is making off the overbearing actions of our government; FED, Treasury, etc]
    In summary, I am not a fan of Warren Buffett or his draw bridge socialism (I got mine- now raise the bridge so no one else can compete with me).

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  40. George Rebane Avatar

    This can be “breaking news” only to those who have not paid much attention to the long-standing sentiments of America’s elite rich. It is they who have and continue to make their money through an incestuous relationship with big government – they need guns to guarantee their markets and stifle rising competition. It is also they who already have/earn so much that even draconian tax increases will not affect their quality of life. Hence they become the heros of socialism as they trumpet their growing social consciousness – ‘I got mine!’
    The Buffetts of America can simply lead the way by writing the Treasury very large checks every year, checks that would make a difference in their ongoing quality of life.

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  41. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Buffett did a partnership with Bill Gates to place a whole lot of their money in to non profits to aid the supposed less advantaged. Now what I don’t get is this. If they are concerned about the poor and he or they, are concerned so much why use a non profit to distribute their billions? Maybe they should turn it over to the government? Buffett is a phony rich liberal. He could as George said, write a check for 5 billion to the treasury but he won’t. Egomaniac comes to mind.

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  42. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, isn’t that the type of philanthropy from the wealthy that you like to refer to as the generosity of the affluent? What is possibly wrong with that? If a Conservative would have made that gesture you would have bragged about it.

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  43. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Also Todd it seems you would you prefer that philanthropists give money to the government rather than directly to non profits.

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  44. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul, the Gates Foundation was created to AVOID taxes which makes me laugh at the liberal. Why do you think we should pay more taxes?

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  45. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Paul, the Buffett’s of the world (and there are many) give via non-profits for many reasons.
    -they get a tax break
    -they know the funds will be better spent by a non-profit than by another (or existing) government bureaucracy
    -ego
    Who do we trust to draw the line on “who is rich?”

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  46. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE(155pm), I think you misunderstand. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Buffett writing Geithner a very large check. I want him and his to do exactly that, instead of having them get the government to put a gun to our heads so that we can be forced to live Buffett’s dream.

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