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When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. – Peter/Paul Principle (expanded version)

George Rebane

TimeMagazine110815 Time, America’s premier leftwing news magazine, is going all out to cast the conservatives and their ideas as the debt debacle devils in the recent and ongoing debate.  Its 15aug11 issue features articles on the country’s fiscal woes and ‘How the Tea Party Hijacked America’.  The latter is actually a back-handed compliment to the enormous impact that the tea party movement has had and promises to have on our politics.  Michael Crowley writes the featured piece that firmly establishes that the tea party movement is definitely not in Republican control, but instead is a major burr under its blanket.  His leading tagline and takeaway is that the tea party is a “populist movement underestimated by both parties has shown that it’s here to stay.”

This assessment goes a long way to explain away the almost hysterical flood of articles from the progressives that the tea party movement is a rapidly waning force on the country’s political landscape, and that it may self-destruct even before the 2012 election.  This line is picked up in the hinterlands’ blogosphere by the mindless followers of the lamestream.  Meanwhile the founder/leaders of the various tea party factions, like Mark Meckler of the Tea Party Patriots, are getting more and more national air time, as incredulous hosts of TV commentary programs embarrass themselves trying to entice out some slip-of-the-tongue that might connect the tea parties to social issues or the Republican party (see also the comment streams on RR).  Crowley goes on –

In January, Senate majority leader Harry Reid predicted that the Tea Party would soon “disappear.” Now, having pushed Reid’s party into a deal few people would have thought possible a few months ago–trillions in spending cuts, possibly with no new taxes–the Tea Party is more convinced than ever that its facts and its tactics are the right ones. And its influence is hardly waning–something Reid is the first to admit. The Tea Party’s sway in Congress, Reid lamented as the Senate approved the debt deal on Aug. 2, “has been very, very disconcerting … it stopped us from arriving at a conclusion much earlier.”

Barack Obama has long promised a post-partisan environment in the capital. But he never imagined that a minority of Americans would come to play such an outsize role in the public conversation. Polls may show that Americans overwhelmingly want more compromise in Washington, but the Tea Party’s leaders–and the roughly 25% of Americans who consider themselves Tea Party supporters–are primed for more confrontation. The debt fight, believe it or not, is probably just the beginning.

What continues unexamined is the basis for the tea parties being labeled as “rightwing” or “far right” organizations. As confirmed on these pages, those descriptors are supposed to be true just because the left repeats them with increasing frequency, while themselves claiming to be “in the middle”. Crowley’s article sheds no light here.


In the same issue Rana Foroohar in ‘The Wealth Gap Widens’ laments about the widening distribution of wealth and observes that the debt deal “has exacerbated the real problem underlying our woes; the fact that most people not only feel but actually are much worse off than they were three years ago.”  She also correctly points out that during time of want, the richer and smarter are able to better retain their wealth than their less fortunate counterparts – in short, material and educational inequalities increase.  But she fails to connect the dots that this widening continues as long as the economy is down, and the economy stays down as long as government continues Keynesian spending, taxing, and regulatory policies.

Finally, the message that is totally absent from Time is that continued borrowing, along with its ever-growing debt service costs, is the real reason that the US is following the European model down the sinkhole.  And it is the real reason why our credit ratings will continue to be downgraded.  The media, including Time and Fox News, did nothing to enlighten the public on the issues when they kept referring to the ‘default catastrophe’ in every other sentence of their reporting during the recent debt deal debate.  It was the rare bird who dared peep that there was no way that America would default on its current debt service.  Now, after it is apparent that the deal did nothing to salve our fiscal wounds, even Barney Frank (of ‘Fannie and Freddie are healthy’ fame) has come out to tell all that default was never in the cards.

All this said and done, do you notice that there still is not a solution to our economic tailspin to be had from within the Beltway?  We can’t spend our way out, and we can’t tax our way out, and we can’t generate wealth out of growing stacks of regulations (witness EPA’s new ozone regulations).  The socialist sickness is firmly over the land, and it can only be removed by a miracle next November, one that will again unleash the entrepreneurs and businesses to employ people and create new wealth.

Exit question:  Until then, who will be the first to import the notion of ‘austerity’ from across the pond and introduce it into the national lexicon?

[8aug2011 update]  In response to S&P’s downgrade and the world markets’ bloodbath, today President Obama and his progressive minions put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Tea Party movement.  The Tea Parties are comprised of 20-25% of US voters, and 40% of Americans say they “support” the principles of the movement.  The Tea Parties are made up of hundreds (thousands?) of independent small groups marbled into communities throughout the land.  The Tea Parties have no unified leadership or central control body that marshals and directs their attitudes and voting behavior.  The Tea Partiers are the office or factory worker here, the retired person there, and the lady who runs the hair salon or auto repair shop on the corner – its hard to conceive of a more spontaneous or grass roots movement in American history.

And the Tea Parties have been telling the nation for the last three years exactly how it is headed in the wrong direction and what would happen if the government didn’t change its economic policies.  It was the same people’s voice that also sent new members to Congress who promised Tea Party voters that they would stay true to its principles.

And what was told has now come to be – but after everything that has happened, our growing debt is still totally out of control, and to this day we have NO PLAN TO REPAY OR EVEN REDUCE IT.   Our credit ratings are finally beginning to catch up with and reflect long-established truths.  And, yes Mr President, we Tea Party Americans from every nook and cranny of this exceptional nation take full credit for making every effort to turn our ship of state from the disastrous course to which you are holding it fast.

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116 responses to “Time at the Tea Party (updated 8aug2011)”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    Merriam-Webster.com recently announced that austerity was their most looked-up word in 2010, ahead of pragmatic, moratorium, and, gasp!, socialism. Fitting that people are looking for austerity in these penny-pinched times. “With great austerity, Sarah Palin boundered across the Alaskan tundra…”

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Funny thing, The Tea Party has never passed a bill in Congress so how can Time (a mag on the verge of insolvency) say they are “hijacking” anything? If the TPP had been responsible for all the spending and then had a change of mind and became DC-ized, then Time would call them hypocrites. So, I canceled Time many years ago along with Newsweek and the SacBee because they are simply stupid. If I want to read stupid things I read the local leftwingnut blogs and their lefty minions comments. That is free.

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  3. RL Crabb Avatar

    The one truth that seems to elude politicians of both parties is that they are the parents of the Tea Party movement. After the catastrophic failure of the Bush years, Obama and the Democrats had the golden opportunity to win the hearts and minds of voters but squandered it by diddling with the enormous health care bill. They could only squeak it through by bribing their allies with exemptions and pay-offs. (Some animals are more equal than others.)
    Had they done something logical, like fix the unwieldy tax code, actually passed a budget and put off implementing reams of new regulations, they might have inspired confidence in government. Instead, they acted like Democrats. They created the monster.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    Agreed Bob. And to avoid misconceptions about our Time subscription, we did NOT subscribe. It just started arriving in the mail one day, as I pointed out a couple of months ago. But since it comes, it is another window to the left that is worth monitoring. I agree with ToddJ’s comment.
    Russ, interesting find on austerity, although I was not able to follow the quote no matter how hard I tried to bring up a picture of ‘austere boundering’.

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  5. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Agreed Crabb. Obama did not “create” the Tea Party. The Tea Party has been bubbling under the surface of America’s “middle of the road” for quite some time. I remember when Bush had majorities in both Houses and the Supreme Court. I was glad to see that the size of government and the size of our debt was going to be reined in by the Republicans. LOL. So much for that. Both parties are to blame for our hole…so one of them needs to lead by (1) stopping the digging and (2) preventing this hole from being dug again. If it takes a grassroots organization like the Tea Party to drag Washington behind the woodshed, so be it. This fight is not a partisan fight…it is a fight between government and “We, the People.”

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    Well said Barry.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The R’s are far from perfect and I have stories from our Califonia R’s conventions when I was Chairman in the 90’s that opened my eyes to them. The reason I have always been a registered R is because they represent my views on many but not all issues. I learned a long time ago if you want a victory now and then for your ideas, you have to be part of the system to achieve them. I notice there are not many PandF, Green and Libertarians in Congress or Sacramento so I guess I can see why they NEVER achieve anything. The TPP is different because they have a limited scope and many kinds of political folks can agree with them.
    I agree wholeheartedly with Crabb’s analysis in his last post.

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  8. DM Avatar
    DM

    I recall the night “O” was elected vary well. The Union comments were alive and well. Our resident radical Lefties wizzed themselves with glee, and touted how their saviour had come.
    That night as I was taking a hammering from the usual crowd, told them to count on their newly elected hero would empty the treasury, hold a yard sale at Fort Knox, and act like a Collage student with Mom and Dad’s credit card that was to only be used for ” emergencies”. In a collage kids mind, that is beer and pizza every night,( plasma TV, PS3, gas money,,,,,) And when that happens they can count on a revolt of the people.( peaceful, or GOD forbid, armed with blood on their minds)
    Then the Tea Party was born not long after that night.
    So I will toot my own horn and say,, CALLED THAT ONE!!
    I wish I had the time to go dig up the story about our first Tea Party gathering out at Lions lake, and see if the comments are still there. Now that would be some fun reading. ( and maybe re- submit them in the form of “letters to the editor”. That would sure give our Progressive friends a good dose of heartburn. And maybe entitle it. ” Then,,, and Now”.

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “What continues unexamined is the basis for the tea parties being labeled as “rightwing” or “far right” organizations. As confirmed on these pages, those descriptors are supposed to be true just because the left repeats them with increasing frequency, while themselves claiming to be “in the middle”. Crowley’s article sheds no light here.”
    Well George,
    If Crowley can’t do it, I’ll take a whack at it.
    Please demonstrate a Tea Party branch that in favor of any of the programs that, what is traditionally considered to be the left, supports. Please also note that the center consists of many folks who also support at least a few leftish ideas. If you can’t find any leftish leaning Tea Party organizations, then let’s see some pictures from a few of the centrist tradition. If you can’t find either, the indeed the Tea Party is right wing to ültra-right wing.
    Peace is both a leftish and centrists’ territory, as is the environment. Can you find any Tea Party organizations that support peace or environmental organizations? Please list and then argue for your evidence.
    Again, if this is not possible for you, then you will have to own up to the fact that the vast majority of the Tea Party organizations have memberships consisting of minds with constellations of values and thoughts associated with the right wing and the ültra-right wing.

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    So Dirt, would have you have bothered to form a Tea Party if McCain/Palin had been elected?
    Now that McCain has made it pretty clear he is not impressed with the Tea Party and all its moves, I’m wondering if he would have been a target for assassination? By a Palin Tea Party fanatic?

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  11. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    For the record, I think McCain actually paid a compliment to the Tea Party, but totally unwittingly:
    “July 28, 2011 7:19 AM
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) read an editorial from the Wall Street Journal on the Senate floor Wednesday that called Tea Party supporters, House members “hobbits.”
    Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7374817n#ixzz1UOuVQ0ru

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  12. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    2 points need repeating. 1- The Tea Party was born out of frustration over Bush’s irresponsible behavior (which Obama continued on steroids).
    2- We desperately need a leader in the White House.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Just exactly do you suppose that leader should do?
    Continue the Bush tax cuts well past their agreed upon expiration? Do you think anyone would have agreed to them in the first place if this future had been seen in advance?

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK – first we have to disabuse your restriction of the political spectrum. Any system of belief that does not support what YOU consider to be left or center does not necessarily make it automatically right wing.
    The tea parties support constitutionality and are adamantly against the unconstitutional use of American force anywhere – period. And that means present wars included.
    That an organization does not support environmental initiatives that are scientifically insane/irrelevant, and politically designed for expanding government and limiting individual freedoms does not mean that it is not for preserving the environment. The ONLY lands that preserve the environment are the rich lands that allow capitalists to thrive enough so that the wealth can be generated to pay for environmental preservation, either through public or private programs.
    In sum, tea party organizations per se don’t have any “leanings” left or right that extend past the historically American principles of fiscally responsible small government, constitutionality, free market capitalism, and individual liberties. But acting outside the tea party, its members can have all kinds of right or left leanings that don’t conflict with those principles.
    However, your logic for discriminating between what is left and non-left is a classical example of the collectivist mindset. Media outlets like Time celebrate your reasoning. By your logic fiscally irresponsible government would then be a leftwing tenet, since we cannot find any leftwing organization that promotes fiscal prudence (or even agrees to the usual definition of the notion). Now I would not make that inference, however, your logic may indeed hold the trump here.

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  15. Bo Reardon Avatar
    Bo Reardon

    Should we be surprised that a man like Keachie does not know what a leader should do?

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  16. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Keach you need to put the pipe down and step away dude – I’m not sure anyone in the tea party movement thinks McCain was the answer – most probably far from it. First time I voted for him was for Pres and that was because of Palin – maybe she could have beat some sense into him behind closed doors. Obama was the dister I wanted to avoid.
    The Tea Party movement, which I have posted before “is like fighting a ghost for the left” is just that. Its a chit load of Americans that are just saying enough of all theis Bull Shit. Bush wasn’t that good but we could gave survived – but Obama ramped it up to non-survival mode that spawned the Tea Party the “Silent Majority” to not be so silent anymore.
    Everybody except the LEFT is worn out worrying about Mountain Rats, Ozone, CO2, Manatee’s, Polar bears, Delata Smelt, muslims whining, and dead beats sitting in detroit whinging about higher welfare, and gay marriage – nobody gives a shit anymore.
    The country is dying from worrying about all that crap and giving all of the worthless bastads tons of money – got it
    That is the Tea Party my friend – nothing more nothing less

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  17. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Time Mag says the Tea Party hijacked America?? That’s interesting. Seems to me that Moodys and S&P were sending smoke signals that if we don’t cut 4 trillion in spending, we were in danger of having our credit rating knocked down a peg. Well, the Tea Party fought for 4 trillion and even Obama himself proposed 3 trillion in cuts, then 2.5 trillion. But, noooooo, the libs in Congress would not go along, played games, moved the goal posts and refused to show wisdom by making the needed cuts. Its the libholes in Congress that hijacked the USA and given us a black eye. America will pay its bills and unlike Greece or Spain or Italy or Ireland or any of those Old European countries that give stuff away, America will not find itself unable to pay her bills in the near future. But, we deserve the credit rating cut. Not for the silly spending extension, but for the shape our economy is in. Just look at the unemployment figures. Dismal for June which made July’s measly 118,000 added jobs look good by comparison. Consumer spending down, manufacturing stagnet, more folks on food stamps (by numbers and percentages) in the history of our country, and the debt will go up another 2 trillion in the next year thanks to likes of Harry Rod and his ilk. Who are the hijackers??

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  18. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Now the lamestream media this morning is saying the debt deal has nothing to do with the stock market tanking, it is the economy. They will say anything to cover for the democrats and Obama.

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  19. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    This morning Moodys came out and said that they as well might downgrade the US IF we don’t get a handle on our debt/spending. S&P also said this morning that they may downgrade us again in 6-24 months if we don’t do something about our deficit spending. Meanwhile, David Axlerod and Timmy G were out there yesterday fumbling for words and blaming the Tea Party. Trying to kill the messenger because they don’t like the message may be political fodder for this White House, but cold hard facts are stubborn things. Blaming the Tea Party for trying to get our financial house in order and attacking the TP’s warnings about unsustainable borrowing is hilarious. Wonder what Mark Twain would quip about this.

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  20. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Standard and Poors just downgraded Fannie and Freddie yet again. Poor Barney Frank. On the bright side, oil is falling. Obama is a genius for getting our gas prices lower. He is also a genius for putting Joe Biden in charge of the Stimulus, putting Pelosi/Reed in charge of Obamacare, Timmy G in charge of the Treasury, NATO in charge of Libya, and somebody else can take the accolades for QE2, whatever good that did. Obama 1, US Government and Administration 0. No drama Obama.

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  21. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “Blaming the Tea Party for trying to get our financial house in order” when they absolutely 100% refused to consider taxing the very wealthy in any way shape or form, as one of the means for getting the house in order, you betcha, we blame’ya.
    10 years of those tax cuts in placed proved beyond a doubt that they did NOTHING to create jobs, except for the Chinese.ü
    Now the the Tea Party has come up from periscope depth to reveal its full hull of sorry pandering to only the über-rich, you will all go down with your 401K’s to Davy Jones locker, where you can party with that other country wrecker, Osama bin Gone and dead.

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  22. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Birth control is a form of fiscal prudence, and there are many many left wing groups that promote it.

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  23. Mikey McD Avatar

    A reform hint for the those challenged by all things economic: http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/long-run-entitlements.jpg

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The biggest dilemma the various TP’s have is how well they can adjust to being a strategic component of the Republican party that, like all strategic components, can be dumped whenever it’s useful to do so. The Republicrats play to win and as long as they find an upstart faction useful they will cuddle up like they did with the TP’s in the last election. In fact they started their own, the Tea Party Express to insure leverage in the next presidential election. You better believe the Expressos will support who ever the Repubs toss up even if it’s Romney, the almost sure pick to take on Obama.
    Obama remains the strongest government component in terms of popular support at least as reflected in last weeks debt ceiling tussle.
    There’s a pretty shocking percentage of public support for Obama that’s over double the support of the Repubs that clearly show he won the battle of public opinion on this. The Repubs for sure will be looking for another approach in the near future and it won’t involve giving the TP’s the keys to the car. Quite the opposite in fact as they circle around Romney as the best choice to take on Obama. Sorry Perry, the Catholics will never support him and they represent 28% of the voters. The rest have no chance. The TP’s, according to last weeks NYT poll have only 20% support, down considerably from a year ago.
    The way things look right now there may not be many Sophomore rings passed out to the Freshman House class of last year. The Wisconsin recalls tomorrow will be carefully looked at by the Republican strategists. As of now the Dems look pretty good.
    Here’s recent poll numbers.
    “Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama has handled the negotiations on the debt ceiling?”
    Approve Disapprove Unsure
    % 46 % % 47 7
    “Do you approve or disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress have handled the negotiations on the debt ceiling?”
    Approve Disapprove Unsure
    % 21 % % 72 7
    8/2-3/11
    “Do you approve or disapprove of the way Democrats in Congress have handled the negotiations on the debt ceiling?”
    Approve Disapprove Unsure
    % 28 % % 66 6

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  25. Mikey McD Avatar

    How long until the socialists accept the FACT that even 100% taxes cannot save us? We need to restructure entitlements.

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Here Paul, go here to see how your favorite President is fairing with America.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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  27. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Paul: The only problem is that Obama is not running against Congress. Until Obama shows that he can reduce the size of government, he is highly vulnerable.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Newsweek took a bad picture of Bachmann and put it on the cover. Now she is a very good looking woman, yet somehow the bums at the ragmag were able to make her look unbeautiful. No wonder te mag sold for only a buck.

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  29. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Guess PaulE and Keach don’t have 401k’s. What, are you both on government penisions? A 1000 point drop in two days should tell everyone what markets think of the deficit, soon to rise to $16.7T before the end of big O’s term. How that make you feel about Bush deficit spending, Paul?

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I am not trying to answer any questions here I was just giving my observations of the near future of the Tea Party. It is my opinion that the only Republican with a chance of defeating Obama is Romney, who pares up quite well since he the closest thing to a moderate in the bunch. Remember, the middle ALWAYS wins the Presidential elections and usually drags the Congress in his direction. Right now the middle is wide open and most Americans will not venture far from the middle. I’m not sure the TP will support Romney, except the Expressers which are just a wing of the Repub Party, bought and sponsored kinda like a hedge fund. Big business always goes for the center and Obama is raising enough money to burn a wet elephant right now from traditional Republican sources because he represents a more controllable element than the TP’s which are emotionally driven with no sense of the pragmatism that those who control politics and big business depend on because it uses predictable responses based on known elements. If Perry jumps in he cannot count on Carl Roves support because of bad blood from the Texas days. Kinda like when Jimmy Carter snatched the Democratic party away from Kennedy and the Ivy League Democrats.

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  31. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    OK, Douglas K. How much do you think we should tax the “very wealthy”? First define very wealthy and tell us all how much you would raise their rates by and then tell us how much actual dollars would be raised over the next ten years. Remember that the “very wealthy” will react and find ways to avoid the increase and that it will negatively affect the economy.

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  32. George Rebane Avatar

    “Remember, the middle ALWAYS wins the Presidential elections …”
    Barack Hussein Obama, demonstrably the most hard left president since FDR, won the presidency in 2008.
    Is that an exception to the rule, or does the rule revise the definition of “middle”?

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  33. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Ah, go easy on Paul and Dougie. Paul is making a reasonable observation and assumption at this point in time. A snapshot, if you will. A lot can happen (and will happen) between here and election day. Heck, Reagen trailed Carter with less than 3 months to go and even McCain pulled ahead of Obama right before the economic “emergency” of the brokerage houses unraveling, causing McCain to announce he was going to suspend his campaign and go back to Washington to work on the impending global collapse. As far as Dougie is concerned, he believes in his heart of heart that the solution is more spending. Gotta look at where someone is coming from and where he has been. From Frisco and a school teacher who has spent most of his career on the taxpayer’s dime. Married to a school teacher. Cuts in spending is an abhorrent thought to anyone sucking on the taxpayer’ teet for their livelihood and pension. Nothing is wrong with our sub par education system that a few hundred billion in higher teachers’ salaries won’t cure, right? Kinda like the typical lefty’s beloved mass transit. In 1980, 2.7 percent of the population rode public transit. Billions upon billions of dollars later, the grand plan now has 1.9% of the population ride public transit. A smashing success by no one’s standards. Solution is to dump more money down the hole, right? And of course the money will come from taxing the evil, filthy, self centered heartless rich to pay for higher teacher salaries and a underground bullet train from Cedar Ridge to Cement Hill. If we just tax the pants off the spoiled rich, then half of the worker bees who pay zero taxes can continue to pay zero taxes, right?. John Edwards was right. There are two America. One America pays taxes and the other half of America gets to ride for free.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, there is no way Obama is a hard left President. Just ask the true Progressives about their opinion of his direction. In health care hard left would have been single payer national health care which is nothing like what we got. Hard left would have been a vacate of Iraq and Afghanistan and we’re still there. Hare left would have been a prosecution of Bush admins of war crimes of various kinds and all those investigations were dropped. Hard left would have been much more expansive environmental protection instead of a continuation of most of Bush’s policies and programs. Hard left would have been the decriminalization of Marijuana instead of a continuation and expansion of the war on drugs. Hard left would have been closing of Guantanamo and we’re still there. I can go on and. Calling Obama Hard Left has to basis whatsoever. It does package him up by using fear tactics and exaggeration but please, compare Obama to Nixon for example and he comes across as a pretty mild and very middle of the road liberal. If he was hard left why has he been abandoned by the Dennis Kucinich faction of the Democratic party and Left Leaning media outlets such as Democracy Now as a weak apologetic of the moderate left?

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Obama and his minions are scared to death of the Tea Party and just as they use race to denigrate their opposition, liberals have a new straw-man. The sad thing is liberals are the same at all levels of country. From local leftwingnuts to Obama’s advisers and even the lame John Kerry call people names and that sets them apart from the grownups. It is all politics, nothing more.

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  36. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I suppose calling people violent psychopaths sets you apart from the liberals since you are the adult.
    My observation is that the middle of the road Republicans are more concerned about the Tea Party types than the Liberals because they threaten their status as leaders of the party more than they threaten the Liberals. The coronation of Romney as pres candidate will bring this to a head. It should be fun.

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  37. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    Being a Tea Party Patriot is synonymous with being a hijacking racist terrorist hobbit. Don’t know what a hobbit is, but the description probably fits me to a tee, so I will wear the badge with honor. At first, most of us were called a small group of angry white old men that were joined together by racism. Well, I can’t do much about my age or skin color. After awhile, if some libhole did not end his/her rant by calling me a racist, then I knew I did something wrong by not clearly articulating my point. I wore the racist badge with honor as well. Now, I am just some common terrorist or hijacker, which is a notch or two down the ladder. Maybe being a hobbit will raise my standing up where it belongs. I understand libholes and how they think. They go nuts if they see a Nativity Scene in front of a shopping mall. Its jealousy, pure and simple. They would secretly like their own Nativity Scene, but still can’t find a virgin. Being a hobbit or hobit ain’t so bad.

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  38. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Gee Bill, I only remember calling Martin, who edited a newsletter that ran a cartoon that portrayed the President of the United States as Stymie, a racist; and George who calls Muslim’s ” ragheads” a bigot. But if your proud to wear the label you probably deserve it.

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  39. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    PaulE, are you aking the term from my post personal? I think I answered your questions very directly but you still seem to be upset. Why?
    Tozer, your posts are too funny. Liberals never get it as evidenced by the rent seeker following your last comment. BTW, the rent seeker has no one of any color except white as far as I know so it appears he is a true liberal, do as I say, not as I do.
    One only needs to see the riots going on in London to see what happens when a immigrant population gets mad and has not assimilated into the base culture.

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  40. DM Avatar
    DM

    Sorry for getting back to you a little late Keache,,, But I can sum it up for you in one sentence.
    At Least when Bush was in office I was still working, and “if” McCain/Palin had won, the chances of employment would have been even better that what I have suffered through since your guy faked his way into office.

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  41. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    I was just trying to see what you parameters for name calling are and I guess you answered my question. Thanks

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So P{ul when you slip your comments about me into your posts you consider that something other than name-calling? You know, your comments I am a has been or whatever? Just trying to understand your thinking or parameters to better understand the liberal mind. Hmmm..

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul, BTW, do you consider a liberals namecalling the same as a conservatives namecalling? The reason I ask is you never complained when Thorton was doing his nasty, and Enos and Frisch never get your wrath either. Why is that?

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  44. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    PaulE, three comments above you defined what would make Obamao a “hard leftist.” Have you forgotten that virtually every item on your list is exactly what he did propose to. That he didn’t get his wish list is hardly evidence of his moderation.

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  45. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    POTUS is a bigot.

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  46. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Not exactly true Todd. I recall going through quite a dialog about name calling that touched on all sides. I’m ready to get off this if you are.

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  47. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Larry
    I disagree about Obama. I interpret his failure as a lack of commitment to progressive principals at a time when he had a mandate to lead. To most Progressives Obama is a disappointment let alone the most radical Leftist President in history as characterized on this blog. He’ll probably get reelected though because to the majority of voters the current Republicans, with the possible exception of Romney are less desirable. He’ll go through a few rough months but when it’s campaign time he’ll be at his best-making speeches and promises. Nobody does it better.
    [“Barack Hussein Obama, demonstrably the most hard left president since FDR, …”, 449pm gjr]

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  48. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    OK, ScottO:
    “How much do you think we should eliminate the entitlements of the “undeserving”? First define the undeserving and tell us all how deaths would be acceptable to you to correct the economy and then tell us how much actual dollars would be raised over the next ten years by killing off how many people? Remember that the “very undeserving” will react and find ways to express their anger over being denied the right to life itself, and that their behavior will negatively affect the economy, and quite likely, public safety..

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  49. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Douglas, you have blown a fuse. I asked you to explain what you are talking about and you either won’t or can’t explain yourself. Instead, you fabricate something and ask me to elaborate. When have I ever said I want to deny folks the right to life itself?
    Of course, it could be you are referring to Reid’s complaint that if the money for the Cowboy Poetry Festival is cut off, then – “Had [the Cowboy Poetry Festival] not been around, the tens of thousands of people who come there every year would not exist”.
    Now, that is pretty serious, and I’m sure we can work together on a balanced program to save them.

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