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George Rebane

Now you’re free to believe that last night’s debt limit deal between the Repubs, Dems, and President is a solution to any of the ills our country faces.  But you would be wrong, because nothing has changed except another little shot of morphine to ease our cancer’s pain.

The deal, which may not even pass Congress, will continue to increase our national debt, ignore meaningful deficit reduction, and enlarge government over the next ten years.  The deal also sets up the Dubious Disciples – a committee of twelve, evenly split among Dems and Repubs – to manage kicking the can some more when it meets later this year.  The piddling cuts will not mount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme, and both sides will expect to get more of what they want from the next baked in crisis – Repubs real spending cuts, Dems real tax increases.

The credit rating arguments have been specious.  This deal will not affect them one iota, and will even affect less the lenders’ propensity to buy Treasuries.  Those bonds will sell or not based on the relative risk that the world’s borrowers present.  Uncle Sam, believe it or not, still seems to be sitting on top of that dung heap.

So this little exercise was all done for the politics of 2012.  And it will be a politics with a gaping, smoking hole where America’s ideological middle used to be.  Each side will accuse the other of stretching their ideological boundary away from the center, and each side will be right.  The progressives caught the conservatives napping in 2008 – Bush2 had damaged the right much more than anyone thought.  And then when all was set for the socialist road to utopia, up rose the people in the tea party movement and made history in 2010.

But our real destination has not changed since the country decided that it could borrow, tax, spend, and regulate our way into a prosperous and secure 21st century.  To change that destination will require a real crisis.

Dilbert1107

[2aug2011 update]  Congress has passed the compromise bill to raise the debt limit, and a promise to cut a tad of spending way out there in Neverland.  The tea parties are not happy about anything save introducing the idea that we should at least talk about spending cuts when we promise to increase borrowing.  Without going out on too much of a limb, I predict that the spending cuts from this legislation will not amount to one tenth of the projected (by whatever bamboozle you care to quote) $2.4T.


All we just did is to keep up the borrowing, and as predicted (at least here) the markets are behaving accordingly – there is no joy on Wall Street because national debt will be over $21T in ten years.  On TV, talking heads are wondering whether the Bernank is going to do a QE3.  Hell yes he’s going to pump more faith-based money into the economy, it’s the only play Team Obama has left from their Keynesian game book – bet the farm on it.

The reason for doing this was again intoned this morning by Dirty Harry in the Senate before it voted.  Harry was telling the world that continued stimulus is needed to help the tottering economy; that for every billion dollars the government pumps into the economy, 40,000 jobs are created.  No media pundit did the quick math and asked ‘Then where are the 32,280,000 jobs from Obama’s $807B ARRA stimulus?

Then another helping of ‘Bush2 did it!’ will once more be trotted out to be lapped up by those who reason light.  Even Fox News seldom mentions that Bush2 did inherit the dotcom recession along with plunged government revenues and, of course, 9/11.  New studies are now showing that, had W not pushed through his tax cuts, the recession would have been longer and deeper – but this again passes by the progressive board.  And somehow the long simmering housing bubble that went into full bloom in 2006 also slips the common mind.  All we remember is that it was W’s two ‘wars’ that took our economy down.

So we have now ballyhooed ourselves into thinking that something has been accomplished to avert disaster, default, destruction, you name it.  The markets have told us all along, and are telling us now that it doesn’t matter.  In a couple of months the 2012 budget comes due, and that will again throw everything into the air.  (You do remember federal budgets, don’t you?  Obama doesn’t.)  And then in December, the new Dubious Twelve are supposed to identify $1.5T in additional spending cuts and tax increases (any bets here?).  Absent that, the legislation calls for an “automatic” $1.1T of cuts to kick in, and a Balanced Budget Amendment introduced into Congress.

The BBA will be a joke with a snowball’s chance in hell of passing.  The automatic cuts are designed to begin castrating our military, since everyone knows that the world will be the same as it is now when the carrier task groups come home for the last time.  So what’s there not to like about this great piece of historic bi-partisan legislation that was born a bastard and will soon become an orphan?

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64 responses to “The Debt Deal – Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained (updated 2aug2011)”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George, I guess I am perplexed with these people like Crabb and Keachie regarding the TPP. If you bring up a program like Planned Parenthood as a waste of tax money are you then talking a social issue or a Constitutional/money issue?

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  2. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Maybe that is the defining difference, Todd and george. In the Tea Party World, everything lives in its own separate compartment, and it is not possible that they occupy both spaces at the same time. In a liberal’s world view, there is no confusion when things overlap several categories. That would explain a lot of things.
    Like, for example, the conservative ProLife stand that also is willing to accept that many babies will be born in families unable to care for them, coupled in with a stand that the government must not fund social programs for either abortion, or for prenatal care, medical care, nutrition, etc to insure that the next crop of citizens comes out better than half brain dead, and lacking in a moral upbringing.
    Living, breathing baby, is in a conservative’s totally disconnected compartment, from 20 year old in jail for smack, who 20 years earlier was himself a living breathing baby.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK, re your 1123am comment – how the hell should I or any other tea party member know what the “Tea Party” thinks about any quote you care pull up? We don’t have a published positions on everything, only the principles and how we individually judge issues/candidates by these principles.
    But keeping government spending at a small (under 20%) part of the nation’s GDP does indeed come high on the list of “bold moves on Rebane’s Blog.”
    ToddJ, I’m not aware of the TPP every taking a social program like PP and making a statement on its fiscal propriety. We look at government spending in the large and feel strongly that it should be prudent and within its income means. If that supports or cuts PP, that’s an issue for others, not the TPP, to prioritize.

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  4. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “So are we then done with the debate as to whether the tea party, per se, has/promotes a social agenda?”
    not so fast.
    Is the Tea Party, per se (Latin for through itself) merely the words of the tenants on paper?
    Or is it the living breathing life spirit of all it’s members and their own multiple agendas, which share many points in common?
    If you wish to comparmentalize the Tea Party as being merely a few abstract words written on paper, then maybe you are correct. But, if you wish to capture the living breathing essence of the Tea Party movement, then you must add in the additional constellations of attitudes that most hold in common, along with their avowed allegiance to those few written words.
    So which is it George, Todd, Dave, Mickey, and the rest:
    The Tea Party is merely an allegiance to three to four lines on paper?
    or:
    The Tea Party consists of many fully faceted humans who share far more in the way of belief systems than just those 3 or 4 lines?
    “Hump or Die”
    ~ Mel Brooks ~

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  5. RL Crabb Avatar

    Since I have limited time to scroll back through hundreds of comments looking for a smoking gun, I guess you’ll just have to assume that I’m lying or just making stuff up. If winning that argument is your goal, okay, you win. Happy?
    And Todd, although I haven’t run for office, I have spent countless hours sitting through public meetings and reporting my observations via cartoonery. For those efforts I have received the Leland and Sally Lewis award for visual arts from the Nevada City Chamber of Commerce (2000) and the Grass Valley Mayor’s Award (2008) as well as many personal thanks from politicians from both ends of the political spectrum. (During most of that period I was paid $12 a week for my time and efforts.) In addition, I have donated original artwork to many local organizations for charitable causes, and yes, I do pay taxes.

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  6. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    BTW, in my last post, you’ll note that I too have reverted to “either, or,” which is deliciously ironic.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Crabb, congratulations on your resume’ See, we all have things we each hold dear and are proud of. For instance, I am 61 years old. My elected tenure was 8 years, so it was a small part of my life but I am as proud of my elected service as you are of your awards. The balance of my life was raising a family and creating my own business which was fairly successful until the demise of construction. So, it appears we have similar results for our own lives.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    Bob, you left out another more reasonable and softer alternative – you just mistook seeing what you thought I or any other TPP member said on RR, to what you may have seen elsewhere. And my only “goal” here is to maintain the truth of my proposition about the TPP’s “social agenda”. I take it that your goal has been to prove my proposition wrong. (BTW, it’s easier than you think to search RR using its built-in search function under my mug shot.)
    DougK, the two propositions you cite (1155am) are logically disjoint (an semantically orthogonal), and both can be true. And I do believe both of them to be true.

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  9. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “The Tea Party is merely an allegiance to three to four lines on paper?”
    Maybe I should have written:
    The Tea Party is only an allegiance to three or four lines on paper.
    which would exclude the second from the first, which is what all of you have been arguing, that there is no social agenda associated with the Tea Party.
    If you are certain that the new second definition is true, then the first cannot be true.
    Please explain your use of the rather technical term, logically disjoint, from systems integration, in a conversation which includes Todd. It does have a rather precise meaning, and that meaning is a long ways from saying that someone here is illogical, which the layman might be inclined to believe, from your unexpected usage.
    Please refer to the following definition list, in framing your answer:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/6012365869/sizes/o/in/photostream/
    and show just how it relates to the topic at hand.
    thanks,
    Douglas Keachie
    PS, while you’re at it, pour me some of that Samantha’s Orthogonal over rocks, please…

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    “If you are certain that the new second definition is true, then the first cannot be true.”
    should be:
    “If you are certain that the second definition is true, then the new first definition cannot be true.”

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  11. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    The Final Authority on the Tea Party, from The Union’s Towntalk dribble sheet:
    TheUnion:
    Received this e-mail today under the heading of “IMPORTANT NOTICE TO EVERYONE ……” (Note: Mark Meckler is a Nevada City resident.)
    Late notice, but we just heard. MARK MECKLER WILL BE INTERVIEWED TONIGHT ON 0’REILLY – Pacific Time – 5:00 pm on FOX NEWS – 360. If you don’t know, Mark is one of the three founders of the national Tea Party. Since the first group, many others have formed their own groups all over the country and the numbers are growing. There are no requirements to be part of the Tea Party – just be human and believe in our Constitution, individual rights/freedom and a responsible government. Oh, yes, and help put an end to the British Empire ravaging our great country.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    DougK, ‘Samantha’s Orthogonal’ – I love it, and will work on an appropriate recipe for the drink. Have any suggestion what the prime booze ingredient should be?
    Re semantically orthogonal – your first proposition delineates the founding tenets of an organization, your second refers to the comprehensive belief sytems of the organization’s individual members. Both propositions can be true since all that is required for those individuals to hew to tea party principles is that they include them in their otherwise possibly disparate sets of tenets that make up their complete belief systems. Ergo, both propositions can hold concurrently.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Vodka, the Russians are great as mathematicians and programmers.
    or:
    Talaxian champagne
    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Talaxian_champagne

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  14. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    BTW I just formed the Tea Party Pro-Abortion, Pro-Immigration, Pro-Wikkan group on Facebook. Please do tell all your like minded members of the Tea Party to join it. It is an open group.

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