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George Rebane

[This is the transcript of my bi-weekly KVMR commentary broadcast on 22 July 2011.]

Let’s talk a little bit about debt and taxes.  Listening to leaders from both parties, you get the opinion that if we don’t raise the debt limit – by August 2 or whenever – that the world’s economy is going to collapse.  More sober minds, honed by the logic practiced around a kitchen table, will tell you that this is not true.

Please consider – major lenders to the US government have been quietly reducing their loans to us, they’re scared that eventually we won’t be able to repay them.  And everyone in Washington knows that today we have more than enough federal revenues coming in to pay the interest on our existing debt.  We just have to tighten belts and prioritize our other domestic spending.

So how do our creditors and rating agencies look at this?  Today we are telling the world that we will default on our interest payments if we can’t borrow more money from our creditors, so that we can then give some of it back to them in interest payments.  And everyone knows that Washington has no plan to stop increasing our national debt – we just promise to borrow more and forever.

Now I don’t know about you, but if I were China I’d say this relationship has become insane, and is most certainly not sustainable.  The name Ponzi must be starting to echo in the halls of Beijing.  But the credit rating agencies – the gang that couldn’t figure out the mortgage market trainwreck back in 2007 – are again putting out more Wrong Way Corrigan pronouncements.  They tell us that if we do change our ways, and start spending within our means, and limit our debt to the current $14.3T, then they will consider the United States to be a bigger credit risk and downgrade our rating.  Go figger.

However, if we keep spending like drunkards on payday, and keep borrowing what we don’t have to spend, then they will maintain our pristine AAA credit rating, and things will somehow again be hunky dory.  Isn’t this exactly 180 degrees out of sync with reality?  America’s creditors seem to think so. But according to our politicians, we taxpayers are too dense to figure this out.

Speaking of paying taxes, our progressive friends are convinced that the country can do with much higher tax rates.  They point back to the Eisenhower 1950s when top marginal rates touched 94% which effectively had the government take almost all of what you earned after a certain amount.  Since the country was booming in the 50s, little minds inside the Beltway are saying, ‘Let’s do it again.’

Running nimble fingers over their calculators, they can see enough dollars flowing in to put a real dent into our projected deficits, without cutting too much into the spending that buys votes.  What these same politicians don’t know, or are not telling us, is that in the 1950s no one actually paid 94 cents of every dollar they earned after a certain amount.  Why?  Because at that time the threshold was so high that almost no one earned those dollars as straight income.  And those who could, had lots of opportunities to shelter their earnings so that it never reached the 94% trigger levels.

Today it’s completely different when we consider the tax rates we already pay, and the ones being proposed by big government mavens in Washington.  Dr Michael Boskin, professor of economics at Stanford, has run some numbers which tell us that in California we already pay a 44.1% marginal tax rate when we combine federal, state, and all the payroll deductions levied against our wages.  When the Bush tax cuts expire in 2013, that marginal rate will jump up to 58.4% for those earning $200K and couples earning $250K a year.

But we’re not done yet.  Using the President’s numbers, the Congressional Budget Office tells us that to cover the projected $841B deficit in 2016, will require all (yes, all) income taxes to increase by almost another third.  This will bring the “total combined marginal tax rate to 68.8%.”  In short, government will then take more than two of every three dollars that you earn above whatever limit they decide to impose.

According to the progressive mindset, such tax hikes aren’t supposed affect how hard we work, or how much we risk and earn.  To them, we are just little mindless squirrels on a treadmill, and we’ll run just as hard as ever, never mind how much we get to keep.  Now, is that the way it works in your world?

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on these and other themes in my Union columns, and on georgerebane.com where this transcript appears.  These opinions are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

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60 responses to “Climbing Mount DebtandTaxes”

  1. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    George, no assumption here that you implied that I misrepresented anything, nor do I think Paul is misrepresenting either, only that two sets of numbers from Treasury show some rather large discrepancies.
    For purposes of further discussion on this topic, I’ll assume that the numbers you have appended, above, are correct. The picture still looks the same.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    The Republican Party is starting to bust up as we speak. This piece from Raw Story tells the story
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/27/gop-fault-lines-deepen-as-boehner-says-tea-party-seeks-chaos-in-debt-deal/
    also
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60022.html
    “In a closed-door meeting Wednesday, Teller stood silently while House Republicans chanted “fire him, fire him,” (Boehner) Politico reported.
    “It was an unbelievable moment,” someone at the meeting told Politico. “I’ve never seen anything like it.”
    At the same meeting, Boehner reportedly spoke bluntly to his fellow legislators, many of whom are undecided about his plan.
    “Get your ass in line,” ABC News reported him saying. “I can’t do this job unless you are behind me.”
    On conservative host Laura Ingraham’s radio show Wednesday morning, Boehner said many who align themselves with the ultra-conservative tea party and oppose his plan are hoping to cause “enough chaos” to force a constitutional amendment that would require a balanced budget plan.
    “I don’t think that that strategy works,” Boehner said. “Because I think the closer we get to August the second, frankly, the less leverage we have vis a vis our colleagues in the Senate and the White House.”

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    PaulE, another one of your reports about the Repubs insipient demise. Any idea how long these death throes will last?

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    This will go on until the TP’s find their place in the pecking order. Right now reports show and personal conversations I’ve had with moderate Republicans show that they’ve overstepped and the establishment is ready to take charge again. It’s chaos right now demonstrated by the fact that the Speaker can’t deliver votes on his plans and the calls for him to be fired. Pretty fun. I’ll keep you informed. The Dems are another equally pathetic story.

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  5. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Ya know, Paul, many times you say intelligent things. Too bad you can’t see the forest for the trees. A longer look at the deficit problem could probably fix that little problem and you’d wind up a conservative.
    Our national survival depends on “moderates” like yourself getting a handle on the Dem destruction advancing, day-by-day.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What really bugs me is how the so called Republican Conservatives sat back and allowed Reagan and both Bushes run up the national credit card then suddenly awaken when there’s a Democrat President with a grand and glorious discovery of a national crisis. At least the Libertarians have been consistent on this but they are ignored and marginalized as cute pets by the Republican establishment when it comes to foreign policy or personal freedom. No Larry, if being a Conservative means being a Republican you can count me out. The “destruction” you refer to is a equally shared disaster. When you try to pin it on the Democrats alone you’re showing your Republican colors which to me disqualifies you as a true conservative.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul I guess your memory is not that great regarding conservatives and debt. During Reagan and Bush1 we were very vocal about the debt and we were disregarded (democrats had Congress for most of their tenure). Out of that came Perot. So maybe you could reconsider becoming a conservative?

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Thanks for proving my point Todd. In 92 Perot ran on a platform of fiscal conservatism against Bush 1 and Clinton. He ran on a platform of a balanced national budget. He received, I believe, around 17% of the vote losing out to Bush and Clinton. So if the conservative Republicans were truly concerned about balancing the budget why didn’t they vote for the one candidate that promised that?

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    If I am recalling correctly Paul there have been a number of attempts by conservatives to get a BB passed and each one was voted down by democrats or vetoed by Clinton. They are doing it again. You now understand apparently that conservatives are not necessarily Republicans but usually y nest there because the R’s more reflect our values. Democrats are quasi/socialist/commies and will never have anything in common with the freedom loving conservatives.

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  10. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    A Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment can begin with approval the States first. If the Repubs thought it was such a big deal why not start there? History has shown them not to be supporters of fiscal responsibility. Clinton did not veto the Balanced Budget Amendment. It passed the House but fell short in the Republican controlled Senate so it never got to his desk. Why didn’t the Repubs push it through during the first six years of Bush 2? I’ll tell you why , because Bush 2 and the Repub controlled congress was spending more money than we were generating and it would have been impossible under the Bush tax cuts. So, in essence, future debt was passed on to later generations so the wealthy could pay less taxes. So where was the push for the Amendment during those years when the Repubs controlled it all? This is hypocrisy of biblical magnitude and you know it.

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