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Tea Party Patriots welcomed Dr Anna Haynes

29 June 2011

George Rebane

This evening Jo Ann and I, along with a neighbor, attended the monthly Nevada County Tea Party Patriots meeting that filled the Easterly Hall of the Nevada County Realtors Association. We were happy to see Dr Anna Haynes sitting in the throng, listening with great interest to the speakers, and taking notes. Dr Haynes is not a stranger to these pages (some background here).

Dr Haynes is also a recognized liberal voice in Nevada County who writes the blog Nevada County Focus and is the creator/operator of Nevada County Voices, a true community internet resource, where even RR is recognized as one such voice (consigned to the rightmost ‘Denialism/Climate contrarians’ column).

What made her attendance noteworthy was that the lady is a dedicated investigator of all things tinged with conservatism. And in that TPP is proud to be a bit more than tinged because of its unique grounding principles – small government, fiscal responsibility, constitutionalism, and free market capitalism – that derive from our fundamental belief in individual liberty as interpreted by our Founders.

From Dr Haynes’ previous writings and personal encounters one might come away with the distinct impression that she is a collectivist’s collectivist in her socio-political leaning. So to now see her in attendance at a meeting of local folks who lean the other way is both hopeful and heartening. Perhaps, her study of our organization’s core principles, grass roots structure, and non-partisan political action has inspired her to give us another look; and who knows, even consider becoming a member? If so, I will be the first to celebrate her epiphany, and welcome her into our midst.

Posted in Current Affairs, Happenings, Nevada County

127 responses to “Tea Party Patriots welcomed Dr Anna Haynes”

Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

A decade in the area and you’ve finally figured out MSM is K-8? Welcome to Nevada County, Sherlock; it’s reputed to be the oldest operating school in the state. At most of our public schools parents are only observers, if they’re lucky, and MSM was the only school handy to allow an escape from the whole language and whole math of the closest public schools. It was a good bet.
You don’t have to answer the question, Keach, since in math, California’s 8th graders are 47th of 52 (they include District of Columbia and the DoD schools in the ‘reportcard’). In language, the NAEP rankings has California’s 8th graders at number 50, and the California Teacher’s Association can thank Zarquon for Mississippi and Washington DC, the only schools that are worse.
In science, California’s 8th graders are 46 out of the 47 that report that data. Again, Mississippi brings up the rear.
By the way, while the various Tea Parties outnumbered Democrats and Republicans handily in Grass Valley’s Independence Day parade, I didn’t see Anna Haynes wearing a red shirt. I guess her TPP day noted by George was a mere flirtation.

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George Rebane

06 July 2011

GregG, not to worry about Dr Haynes. My neighbor Jim and I marched with our red shirts in the Nevada County TPP contingent. And just where the parade ended near Condom Park, there she was with notebook and pencil in hand. She interviewed us in her now inimitable manner. And then off she went to find Mark Meckler.
Maybe next year we’ll get her to wear a red shirt, march with us, and then conduct in vitro interviews with actual TPP members. Her concept of the tea party movement is still in need of major repair.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

Easy way out, as usual, Greg, avoid the questions, and throw in a few FOX news like factoids.
In the Snark Department, your original statement said:
“”Funny, my kid only got his high school diploma 4 years ago and he didn’t have a computer to use at his desk in any class. Did this mean they failed to properly educate him?”
and then later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computers. Yet your reference to “high school diploma” would lead most to believe that your son went through high school, “and he didn’t have a computer to use at his desk in any class.”
I take it the latter end of your original statement did not apply to his high school years. You are not very clear on formulating your statements to be accurate reflections of the reality your are purporting to represent. I could be more direct like a certain Congressperson interrupting the POTUS in an address to Congress, but I think you get my drift.
Again you leave untouched the fact that the achievements in Math and Language across the country do not vary by much more than 10% from the norm, and the fact that California has an amazingly diverse population, and a group of teachers who did not drop everything to teach to the tests. California’s economy still outranks Texas, and being more protective of our beaches, we didn’t hire 10’s of thousands of workers to clean up an oil spill to artificially inflate our employment figures.
Let’s see how well the TPP do in this next election. So far, none of the planks on their platform are seaworthy, in the global economic picture, in terms of doing anything useful for the bottom of the barrel 95% of this country. Most of the oldsters appeared happy, but their kids and grandkids, not so much, IMHO.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

“later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computer”
No computer? No, I didn’t Keach, you fabricated that one out of the thin air between your ears. And no, he didn’t have computer instruction in any class he took in high school.
Computers are a side show in K-12. Fine as an improved typewriter and card-catalog/library adjunct. Once literate, “computer skills” are easy to pick up as needed.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

I see your snarky submarine is running just fine, diving under all questions and snaking away into the depths.
“no computers”
yes we have computers in the library at MSM, do we not? Or is there yet another snarkism hiding back there that I missed?
“And no, he didn’t have computer instruction in any class he took in high school.”
I’d be embarrassed for you if he did. I taught my girls way more than enough at home.
back to my tractor, bye…

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

“Again you leave untouched the fact that the achievements in Math and Language across the country do not vary by much more than 10% from the norm,”
That puts California kids ~20% lower on average compared to the kids in Massachusetts, doesn’t it? We should be proud of and embrace our Mississippi-quality schools?
Behold the unabashed rationalization of mediocrity we have on display here. Thanks, Keach.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

Again I ask the simple question,
“Why did the Mexicans, etc., cross the border?”
To mow the liberal’s lawns?
or:
to pick the crops of the Republican large farmers?
(and later, having not earned enough to go home, looking for work of any kind, wound up mowing liberals and Republicans lawns?)
What percentage of the MA kids don’t speak English as a native language? Another question you won’t be bothered with answering…

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

“later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computer”
This is a fabrication, Keach. Even ten years ago your inability to recall statements accurately was just as bad.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

“later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computer”
This is a fabrication, Keach. Even ten years ago your inability to recall statements accurately was just as bad.
“later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computer”
would by most people be understood in context of these threads as meaning:
“later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computer on each students desk in any classroom.”
If you wish to play snippit and dip it, go right ahead, but if your kid ever reads these pages you’ll look like you’re digging yourself deeper and deeper.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

The quote of mine Keachie butchered was as follows:
“My first wife was profusely thanked by the principal of Mt. St.Mary’s School when, at a parent meeting in the mid to late ’90’s, she eloquently answered a parent’s question about more computers with a convincing argument that more computers would hinder progress in the education that mattered, literacy and numeracy.”
As usual, because it fit his preconceived notions, was that we wanted NO computers. Keach has a remarkable ability to ignore facts to fit his notion of reality.
Keach, my kid could install Win95 software at age 6, because he could already read well enough to feed floppies into the slot. I guess that’s what you were doing much of the time at Lowell.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

I wasn’t referencing that quote at all, Greg, as I stated before:
“”Funny, my kid only got his high school diploma 4 years ago and he didn’t have a computer to use at his desk in any class. Did this mean they failed to properly educate him?”
and then later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computers [at your kids desk in any class]. Yet your reference to “high school diploma” would lead most to believe that your son went through high school, “and he didn’t have a computer to use at his desk in any class.”
I take it the latter end of your original statement did not apply to his high school years. You are not very clear on formulating your statements to be accurate reflections of the reality your are purporting to represent. I could be more direct like a certain Congressperson interrupting the POTUS in an address to Congress, but I think you get my drift.
Did you see anything about your wife in there? I think not.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

You guessed wrong. I spent more time play DOOM after school, than feeding Win95 floppies, and besides, we used CD’s. Win95 was an annnoyance, until I discovered I could Ghost a hard drive over night. By the time I was done, we could cook four brand spanking fresh Win95 drives overnight, and pop them in as needed.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

“and then later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computers [at your kids desk in any class].”
No, I didn’t.
This is too difficult for you, Keach. No matter how specific my statements, you will find a way to screw it up, either accidentally or on purpose. This is your way to block real communication, and you’ve done a fine job of vandalizing George’s blog.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

George, I did my monthly scan of Ms.Haynes’ blog and saw she apparently wore her “97% of climate scientists agree” T-shirt while ‘calibrating’ the TPP’s at the parade.
It does bear repeating that the cherry picked 75 of 77 self identified “climate scientists”, out of the more than 3000 of the 10000 invited to fill out the survey who bothered, answered yes to these two questions:
1) Has it gotten warmer since the little ice age?, and
2) Is mankind responsible for some of it?
There were a number of other questions but those apparently didn’t make it into the paper trumpeting the results.
Even I answer those two with a yes. It’s a meaningless statistic, and Anna knows it.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

Seems like Greg suggests an entire paper devoted to just two questions, but God knows he’s hard to follow, with statements like “apparently didn’t make it.” Either they made it or they didn’t, and it seems unlikely a peer reviewed paper would make it, based on just these two questions, if that is exactly how they were presented.. This was a peer reviewed paper, was it not? If not, why bother?
“”and then later on you mention MSM as being the school in question with no computers [at your kids desk in any class].”
No, I didn’t.”
But you did a good job of implying it, as I noted before, with the statement about your son having gotten a high school diploma. Trout snarking with the finest of lures, as usual.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

I doubt anybody but you had any problems following me, Keachie. You have all sorts of problems intuiting what folks you don’t want to listen to are really trying to “imply”.

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Greg Goodknight

06 July 2011

Let’s revisit one of Keachie’s punts:
“Again you leave untouched the fact that the achievements in Math and Language across the country do not vary by much more than 10% from the norm,”
That puts California kids ~20% lower on average compared to the kids in Massachusetts, doesn’t it? We should be proud of and embrace our Mississippi-quality schools?
Behold the unabashed rationalization of mediocrity we have on display here.
By the mapping held dear by all too many public school educators across the country, 20% is the difference between a solid A and a solid C. Bravo, Keach.

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George Rebane

06 July 2011

GregG, I’m not sure that Anna gets into such details. Thin ice is best skated with much encouragement from the chorus.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

Again Greg, how many children in Massachusetts do not speak English as their home language?
Does MA have a plan for public health you’d like to embrace too?
Greg is Captain of the world’s only coal powered submarine, the USS Snark. He’s a past master at running aground. His torpedoes are sonic powered, all sound and no substance.
God it’s hot outside, I keep coming in for water and entertainment.

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Douglas Keachie

06 July 2011

Were these really the questions?
1) Has it gotten warmer since the little ice age?, and
2) Is mankind responsible for some of it?
1) Has it gotten warmer since the little ice age?,
yes indeed, and it has gotten colder too, it’s called summer and winter.
and
2) Is mankind responsible for some of it?
campfires and oil field fires have man contributions, as has almost everything created by man that uses oil based fuels of one sort or another.
so yes, you bubber using idiots, man has contributed?
Come on Greg, what were the questions, really?
or, like I said, approximately, this is a USA Today quiz, not a peer reviewed study.

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Greg Goodknight

07 July 2011

Not a USA Today study, Keach. Less than that, a web survey by a grad student for her Master’s thesis. Her adviser wrote the questions. The full “study” isn’t online, the summary “paper” by the student and her adviser ran in Eos, a weekly newspaper of the AGU that is said to be refereed, probably no more than a friendly “pal review” in this case.
My characterization of the questions is accurate. Literally quoted they were:
“1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
The other 8 questions aren’t online anywhere I can find. Buying the masters thesis from the university that granted the degree might be the only way to get them. Have at it
Invitations were sent to “10,257 Earth scientists”. A total of 3146 filled out the survey. They narrowed that down to only 79 with a narrowly defined climate scientist specialist definition, throwing out the opinions of 97.5% of the earth scientists who responded.
Again, the entire “97% of climate scientists agree” BS is over these two questions that I’d also answer “generally risen” and “yes”. There’s nothing about CO2, nothing about positive feedbacks, solar effects. Nothing. Just banal generalities.
I’m sure Keachie will still find something to rant about over it. It’s his way …

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Greg Goodknight

07 July 2011

back to this old sacrificial thread, for the wayback machine to what’s driving Keachie. Ran across this oldie but goodie in The Union archives:
11/20/2008 4:54 PM PST on theunion.com
No, you don’t know me, Doug.
I even still have the NCForum email from 9/10/2000 where you demonstrated your inability to understand simple fraction arithmetic, not knowing the difference between dividing by 2 and dividing by one half. You even wrote (it was a public forum and so quotable) “Now you know why people hate story problems. If you divide a cake by 1/2 in common English, you do not wind up with two cakes”– no, you find out how many half cakes that are in a whole cake.
Wasn’t a story problem, either, it was your eager response to “How many US elementary school teachers are unable to divide 3 3/4 by 1/2” and coming up with the answer of 1 7/8 instead of 7 1/2 when attempting to show you were up to snuff.
And I remember reading in The Union of your arrest for refusing to turn off your video recorder at a local theater’s movie exhibition.
You don’t know me. Trust me on this one. Recalling a few factoids is not knowledge.

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Douglas Keachie

07 July 2011

Next time you build a house, please divide an 8 foot long, 2×4, by 1/2, as per the lead carpenter’s instruction, and your theory about what the only way is, to read the question. I’m sure he will be much amused by the results. Of course the resulting pieces of lumber will be of little use to him.
If you asked the question as “3.75/.5” or as “3 and 3/4 divided by 1/2” you would find that most teachers would do the inversion in the latter case, as indicated by proper formatting. This is, I must admit, one of your better snarkisms, designed to help you with your inferiority complex, by appearing momentarily superior.
I was never arrested what you have stated, or anything else, and the results as you know, included a return of my STILL camera, along with all the supposedly illegal pictures still on it, and no trial, no booking, not even a lousy mugshot. You’d think they could have at least taken my picture…
We had a nice talk, and later research revealed a bounty to be paid to theater owner and employees, if they were the first in the nation, to find a real video pirate. MPAA was all set to publicize it and had a reporter on the story well before David Mirhadi of The Union.
Please look up the video capabilities and capacities of a Sony Still 717 with slight video add-on, not a camera with which sellable copies can be made. It fills a chip, even the largest memory stick chip of the day, which I could hardly afford, in minutes with very choppy video of low quality, and I wasn’t even using the video side of it.
Glad to think of all the time you wasted trying to find evidence to the contrary, FAIL, LOL!
BTW, don’t look now, you reveal your character with every post for all the world to see….

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Greg Goodknight

07 July 2011

It was just an unedited quote of an old blog comment, Keach. Puts you in context; as Anna would say, let the other readers ‘calibrate’.
Divide A by B always means the same thing, Keach. And no, Liping Ma, in Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics, found a huge number of American elementary teachers unable to divide 3 3/4 by 1/2, which is where I picked up the little challenge you decided to take without being asked.
Personally, I could have swallowed your handwave explanation had you not made the really silly statement “Now you know why people hate story problems. If you divide a cake by 1/2 in common English, you do not wind up with two cakes” since it reveals a true lack of understanding of elementary mathematics and punts to some vision of a norm of innumeracy being acceptable to a bona fide public school teacher from Frisco.
Keach, I don’t think you’re doing your profession proud.

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Greg Goodknight

07 July 2011

And Keach, how about acknowledging I was accurately retelling the issue of the bogus 97%? It would do your a world of good.
They threw out 97 1/2% of the earth scientists they invited in order to manufacture a false consensus based on two answers that even a scoffer like me gets “right”. Doesn’t that strike you as wrong?
Or will you just ignore it because it doesn’t advance your argument?

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Douglas Keachie

07 July 2011

Do you do general aviation proud by implying Federal aviation fuel taxes are in the neighborhood of $5.60/gallon, when in fact you know them to be around 20 cents/gallon?
Any real desire to communicate in an honest fashion allows for the clearing up of misunderstandings. I do not see any such effort on your part, and trolling for snarks seemed to be your one full time avocation. Try some other pond.

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yüz maskeleri

01 September 2011

What made her attendance noteworthy was that the lady is a dedicated investigator of all things tinged with conservatism. And in that TPP is proud to be a bit more than tinged because of its unique grounding principles – small government, fiscal responsibility, constitutionalism, and free market capitalism – that derive from our fundamental belief in individual liberty as interpreted by our Founders.

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