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Tea Party Patriots welcomed Dr Anna Haynes

29 June 2011

George Rebane

This evening Jo Ann and I, along with a neighbor, attended the monthly Nevada County Tea Party Patriots meeting that filled the Easterly Hall of the Nevada County Realtors Association. We were happy to see Dr Anna Haynes sitting in the throng, listening with great interest to the speakers, and taking notes. Dr Haynes is not a stranger to these pages (some background here).

Dr Haynes is also a recognized liberal voice in Nevada County who writes the blog Nevada County Focus and is the creator/operator of Nevada County Voices, a true community internet resource, where even RR is recognized as one such voice (consigned to the rightmost ‘Denialism/Climate contrarians’ column).

What made her attendance noteworthy was that the lady is a dedicated investigator of all things tinged with conservatism. And in that TPP is proud to be a bit more than tinged because of its unique grounding principles – small government, fiscal responsibility, constitutionalism, and free market capitalism – that derive from our fundamental belief in individual liberty as interpreted by our Founders.

From Dr Haynes’ previous writings and personal encounters one might come away with the distinct impression that she is a collectivist’s collectivist in her socio-political leaning. So to now see her in attendance at a meeting of local folks who lean the other way is both hopeful and heartening. Perhaps, her study of our organization’s core principles, grass roots structure, and non-partisan political action has inspired her to give us another look; and who knows, even consider becoming a member? If so, I will be the first to celebrate her epiphany, and welcome her into our midst.

Posted in Current Affairs, Happenings, Nevada County

127 responses to “Tea Party Patriots welcomed Dr Anna Haynes”

Todd Juvinall

30 June 2011

Hope springs eternal!

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Greg Goodknight

30 June 2011

Ms. Haynes still owes me a dollar for the bet she lost.
Her blog remains as unvisited as ever, with comments few and far between, and her fervor over catastrophic climate change if anything is getting stronger as the evidence mounts against it.

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Russ Steele

30 June 2011

George,
Did Dr Haynes ask any questions? It will be interesting to see what she post on Nevada County Focus. This should be very, very interesting.

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Douglas Keachie

30 June 2011

Does Greg Goodknight even have a blog? Even Todd Juvenall has a blog.

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George Rebane

30 June 2011

Russ, yes she did. Mark Meckler spoke and said something to the effect that ‘Green is the new Red’ referring to the socialists’ backing of the green movement and its effect on the progress of capitalism.
Dr Haynes asked Mark as to when this had become the policy of the tea party movement and whether its statement was in any of the TPP literature. Mark answered that the general understanding of the ideological make up of the greens and their attitude toward free market capitalism has been known for years and shared by most tea party members. And also that he wasn’t aware of its inclusion in any TPP literature.

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Russ Steele

30 June 2011

Here is a link to Dr Hayne’s views on her questions and Mark’s answers at the TPP Meeting.

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Russ Steele

30 June 2011

Oops misplace comma. Should read Haynes’

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Greg Goodknight

30 June 2011

I was going to mention that Keachie’s blog is as moribund as Ms. Haynes’, but didn’t. I’m happy to fix that now. Keachie has to go elsewhere to actually be read and responded to. Same with Haynes.
“Watermelon” is an old name not used often. Green on the outside, red on the inside. Meckler apparently wasn’t plowing new ground there.

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Larry Wirth

30 June 2011

Hey Russ, that’s no comma, it’s an apostrophe ;>)
Wife and I just had a long conversation in re: the recent changes in English punctuation regarding possesives of names ending in “ss.” Conservatives are concerned with such wierd things…

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Russ Steele

30 June 2011

Larry,
Your are so right. Brain dead after a long drive. Maybe George can save me with a correction.

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George Rebane

30 June 2011

You got your apostrophe right Russ, and don’t worry about anything but driving safely.

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Douglas Keachie

30 June 2011

Rebane ask for closing arguments, and then refused to “accept the data.” Did he think I was stupid enough to trust him with a long post?
Check http://farstars/blogspot.com to see final response to Goodknight’s campaign against public school teachers in California
I write for the future, not for the present.

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Greg Goodknight

01 July 2011

By the way, if you figure out and fix the typo Keach made on his own blog’s link, you’ll find he accuses George of censoring the post he apparently tried to make here.
I’ve noticed the refusal to “accept the data” is always on comments that took a long time to finish. All one has to do is copy the comment, refresh the page, paste and submit. No problem. Typepad (or my browser) sometimes seems finicky, I can’t say I haven’t resorted to closing the window and opening up a new one when it gets balled up.
I’d say Keachie is either stupid enough, or paranoid enough, or just lacking enough patience to believe he’s being censored rather than being again just very confused and flustered.
If you find his latest blog posting, it’s in his usual style of making illogical leaps of inference to attribute to me points of view that I’ve never had or tried to make. Just pure demagoguery, Keachie style.

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Douglas Keachie

01 July 2011

So Greg, you take long time to finish, often? Often enough to notice and deal with the phenomena? Good for you. This was the first time it’s ever happened to me, and there are no indicators here understand the problem. You have to do trial and error.
Rather than repost my comment here, I’ll give you something else to chew on. Who is the author of the following?
There have been three tectonic power shifts over the last five hundred years, fundamental changes in the distribution of power that have reshaped international life — its politics, economics, and culture. The first was the rise of the Western world, a process that began in the fifteenth century and accelerated dramatically in the late eighteenth century. It produced modernity as we know it: science and technology, commerce and capitalism, the agricultural and industrial revolutions. It also produced the prolonged political dominance of the nations of the West.
The second shift, which took place in the closing years of the nineteenth century, was the rise of the United States. Soon after it industrialized, the United States became the most powerful nation since imperial Rome, and the only one that was stronger than any likely combination of other nations. For most of the last century, the United States has dominated global economics, politics, science, and culture. For the last twenty years, that dominance has been unrivaled, a phenomenon unprecedented in modern history.
We are now living through the third great power shift of the modern era. It could be called “the rise of the rest.” Over the past few decades, countries all over the world have been experiencing rates of economic growth that were once unthinkable. While they have had booms and busts, the overall trend has been unambiguously upward. Even the economic rupture of 2008 and 2009 could not halt or reverse this trend; in fact, the recession accelerated it. While many of the world’s wealthy, industrialized economies continued to struggle with slow growth, high unemployment, and overwhelming indebtedness through 2010 and beyond, the countries that constitute “the rest” rebounded quickly. India’s annual growth rate slowed to 5.7 percent in 2009, but hummed along at a 9.7 percent rate in 2010. China’s GDP growth never fell below 9 percent.
This economic success was once most visible in Asia but is no longer confined to it. That is why to call this shift “the rise of Asia” does not describe it accurately. In 2010, 85 countries grew at a rate of 4 percent or more. In 2006 and 2007, that number was 125. That includes more than 30 countries in Africa, two-thirds of the continent.

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Douglas Keachie

01 July 2011

http://farstars.blogspot.com/ Final backslash has never been necessary before.

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Greg Goodknight

01 July 2011

Just like Keachie to change the subject rather than retract his past defamatory statements.

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Douglas Keachie

01 July 2011

Does Greg retract his accusation of “typo?”
“if you figure out and fix the typo Keach made on his own blog’s link”
WordPress apparent insists on the final forward slash. I can go directly to my site with no final forward slash.

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Greg Goodknight

01 July 2011

No, Keach, rest assured, there was a typo that had nothing to do with the trailing ‘/’. Apply those prodigious powers of observation and perhaps the problem will reveal itself.
21 chars to inspect and compare. Might take awhile.

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George Rebane

01 July 2011

DougK, I was told that you posted on your own blog that I “censored” you. That is a lie, and your maintaining that assertion makes you a liar. As I have told you before, I have never interfered with anything that you have posted on RR. (It is also clear that you have no idea how certain blog servers may treat long comments and comments that have long composition intervals.) If you do not retract that lie, you will visibly be no longer welcomed here.
You are welcome to test your intellectual mettle here with RR readers. However, your snarky behavior is best served in the local progressive choirs. There are other blogs that will gladly welcome your unsubstantiated attacks.

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RL Crabb

01 July 2011

George is telling the truth, Keachie. I’ve had the same problem with long-winded comments. No conspiracy.

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bill tozer

01 July 2011

Ah, the good doctor Haynes has made an appearance and our local Tea Party confab. Wonder if she strutted up to Russ and told him his house is burning. Since I switched from paper to plastic, global warming has abated.

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D. King

02 July 2011

Perhaps, her study of our organization’s core principles, grass roots structure, and non-partisan political action has inspired her to give us another look; and who knows, even consider becoming a member?
It’s good to dream!

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Douglas Keachie

02 July 2011

Greg, many sites work just fine with or without the “www” It seems blogspot isn’t one of them.
George, I have amended the post at farstars as follows:
My Long and Thoughful Response to Greg Goodknight, that Rebane’s Blog Nearly Deleted
Technorati Profilehttp://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
Rebane asked for closing arguments, and then his blog software refused to “accept the data.” I have changed the title of this post to be more precise. He apparently did not deliberately censor the post, but if I were running a blog with as many glitches as his, that was widely in use, (this one isn’t) I would definitely have the courtesy to have an FAQ, that listed the hidden foxholes, so that people would not stumble into them. Being somewhat distrustful, especially with Greg Goodknight’s calls to boot me off the blog, I copied the post before publishing it or even previewing it.
All sentiments represented in these posts are merely statements of my opinions, and may in fact have no basis in reality. Of course, depending on who you are and what your reality is, your milage may vary… Ripcord for parachute, to escape pesky lawyers, hired by foolish physicists.

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George Rebane

02 July 2011

Thank you DougK.

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George Rebane

02 July 2011

Re seeing comments on RR. Just received an email from TypePad on my continuing tech support dialogue with them on how comments are displayed. They recommended my adding some text to the little forward and backward pagination symbols – <<|>> – they put below a comment pages that can hold only 100 comments. These are hard to see and would be more visible if text were added. I have added text so that they now read << Older|Newer >>. Hope that helps and also helps explain why it sometimes looks as if some comments were deleted.

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Douglas Keachie

02 July 2011

Thank-you George. With my confusing physical vision, I had never noticed the marks before, and I did look for an additional comments area.

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bill Tozer

02 July 2011

This calls for a group hug.

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Greg Goodknight

02 July 2011

“Greg, many sites work just fine with or without the “www” It seems blogspot isn’t one of them.”
No, Keach, you blew it again. It had nothing to do with the prefix or any suffix. Maybe the first version with your typo followed by one of the ones that works will make it easier for you:
http://farstars/blogspot.com
http://farstars.blogspot.com/
Yes, I think your inability to not make things up make you unfit for thoughtful discussion. For example, “[Greg Goodknight] implies that teachers are practically criminals, conspiring to defraud the public of their hard earned tax dollars, for no value received in return.”
There is not a shred of logic linking my words and that screed. No criminality, no conspiracy, no fraud and no claim of no value was made or implied in my words. Your post is defamatory, and your snark really is better taken elsewhere.
And your fix, while it takes the defamatory declaration about George out, it’s still literally incorrect. “Rebane’s Blog Nearly Deleted” absolutely nothing. The problems were with your inattention and the usual TypePad operation known by many. I would ask the readers here: would you want your children or grandchildren in a classroom run by Douglas Keachie?

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D. King

02 July 2011

Douglas,
This is cross posted from NC Media Watch.
See if this helps you to understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4PwZCWUdg
Here is a good read via another link from Steve Frisch.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3746575
Guess who got the 50,000,000.00 discount from you and your tax money?
China!
BTW, that was 2007 (before the mess) Why?
Here’s a doozy from 2010. (Your tax dollars)
http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon.com/national/2010/11/calpers-allocates-500m-for.html
China again?
So, calpers money is going to China.
Where does calpers money come from???

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Douglas Keachie

02 July 2011

Greg, those of us with limited physical vision find your comments and pattern of comments, an attempt to equate physical handicaps with a lack of intelligence. If you had any other aim, please let us all know.

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Douglas Keachie

02 July 2011

We’re paying for excellent schools. Of the $92 billion of the 2010-2011 California state budget expenditures, $36 billion went to K-12 and $12 billion to higher ed. Giving more money to current administrators and current teachers would be as productive as giving beer and car keys to teenaged boys.
Posted by: Greg Goodknight | 21 June 2011 at 02:00 PM
Are these not illegal acts?
Yes, I think your inability to not make things up make you unfit for thoughtful discussion. For example, “[Greg Goodknight] implies that teachers are practically criminals, conspiring to defraud the public of their hard earned tax dollars, for no value received in return.”
There is not a shred of logic linking my words and that screed. No criminality, no conspiracy, no fraud and no claim of no value was made or implied in my words. Your post is defamatory, and your snark really is better taken elsewhere.
<Probably the highest payout for the least ability, and a union to insure things like lack of competence doesn’t interfere with a steady job and good retirement benefits.>
And your fix, while it takes the defamatory declaration about George out, it’s still literally incorrect. “Rebane’s Blog Nearly Deleted” absolutely nothing. The problems were with your inattention and the usual TypePad operation known by many. I would ask the readers here: would you want your children or grandchildren in a classroom run by Douglas Keachie?
If I had not saved my work, I rather doubt that a simple ALT left arrow would have returned me to my material. For all practical purposes, the WordPress software would have deleted my post. Not knowing what the time limits are, I am sort of experimenting right now, to see if I can replicate the situation, and thus I will be able to test that notion out. If I can’t back up and the data being unacceptable shows up, I’ll let you know.
Well fellow readers, I see no one has answered Greg’s final and off recurring question yet. So far, if you send your kids to public school, and I am working there, I do so with the full authorization of the state. I’m sure Greg can send all his rants to the State Credentialing Office, and they will be acted on appropriately, and then filed, in an equally appropriate fashion.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

Well WordPress/TypePad can cope with a 45 minute post without deleting/ rejecting data.
This is for DKing. Can you tell me how rural Indians can afford solar and we can’t? Time to nationalize the production of solar panels, just as we did the nuke bomb, the Moon Shot and Liberty ships. BTW, how do you like the Exxon Mobil oil spill in Yellowstone National Park? We’re not talking a truck, we’re talking a pipeline.
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Associated Press= NADA, India (AP) — Boommi Gowda used to fear the night. Her vision fogged by glaucoma, she could not see by just the dim glow of a kerosene lamp, so she avoided going outside where king cobras slithered freely and tigers carried off neighborhood dogs.
But things have changed at Gowda’s home in the remote southern village of Nada. A solar-powered lamp pours white light across the front of the mud-walled hut she shares with her three grown children, a puppy and a newborn calf. Now she can now cook, tend to her livestock and get water from a nearby well at night.
“I can see!” Gowda said, giggling through a 100-watt smile. In her 70 years, this is the first time she has had any kind of electricity.
Across India, thousands of homes are receiving their first light through small companies and aid programs that are bypassing the central electricity grid to deliver solar panels to the rural poor. Those customers could provide the human energy that advocates of solar power have been looking for to fuel a boom in the next decade.
With 40 percent of India’s rural households lacking electricity and nearly a third of its 30 million agricultural water pumps running on subsidized diesel, “there is a huge market and a lot of potential,” said Santosh Kamath, executive director of consulting firm KPMG in India. “Decentralized solar installations are going to take off in a very big way and will probably be larger than the grid-connected segment.”
Next door to the Gowdas, 58-year-old Iramma, who goes by one name, frowned as she watched her neighbors light their home for the first time. At her house, electrical wiring dangles uselessly from the walls.
She said her family would wait for the grid. They’ve already given hundreds of dollars to an enterprising electrician who wired her house and promised service would come. They shouldn’t have to pay even more money for solar panels, she insisted.
But she softened after her 16-year-old son interrupted to complain he was struggling in school because he cannot study at night like his classmates.
“We are very much frustrated,” she said. “The children are very anxious. They ask every day, ‘Why don’t we have power like other people?’ So if the grid doesn’t come in a month, maybe we will get solar, too.” ”
Hope you saw the WWI program in which the USA borrowed citizens’ telescopes and binoculars for the war effort, and then returned the ones they could at the end of the war. The guy in charge of this operation was….drum roll…FDR. Government programs can work.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

And Greg, how else would you describe this other than as a “conspiracy?”
“Probably the highest payout for the least ability, and a union to insure things like lack of competence doesn’t interfere with a steady job and good retirement benefits.”

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

Keach, your problems are deeper than visual. All I started with was a note to others that the typo existed, and you followed with multiple taunts that disputed there was a typo to begin with while making false claims as to the demands of typepad software for recognizing links.
You equate public employee unions with conspiracy? A novel approach, but I doubt it. To be a conspiracy I thought it had to be both illegal and secret, and unless you can show me an instance where a union went along with a district firing an incompetent teacher, my statement stands.
No, using “giving whiskey and car keys to teen-aged boys” as a metaphor for throwing more money at education without fixing the problems first isn’t alleging criminality. An incompetent administrator hiring an incompetent teacher who nonetheless meets the legal minimum requirements for someone to babysit a classroom of kids isn’t a criminal act, it’s just business as usual.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

So you have no problems with “business as usual” in the field of education, just as I have no problems with “business as usual” in the oil industry? There is no need to hold either accountable?
When will you get to the point where you can see the problem is cultural, and not the fault of individual teachers. At what level was CPM implemented, did unions and teachers provide the initiative, or the universities doing the training of teachers? Why wasn’t there a huge falloff in SAT scores, in the year these kids came to take it?
And finally, if you and George and all the other mathematical whiz kids on the block thought this was so important, why didn’t you drop what you were doing, get your credentials, and rush in to save the day? Could it just be that money as senior software engineers talks, and that kind of money isn’t offered to teachers?
Until you are ready to step up to the plate, and you apparently had your chance and walked away, don’t criticize the team that’s on the field, unless you have a plan that’s better than Red Queen mode. “off with their heads, we’ll find someone even further down the educational ladder,” like maybe unemployed air traffic controllers? The invisible hand of the market has given you the teachers you have, just like it has given you the income you enjoy. You can’t be picky choosy about it.
“You equate public employee unions with conspiracy? A novel approach, but I doubt it. To be a conspiracy I thought it had to be both illegal and secret, and unless you can show me an instance where a union went along with a district firing an incompetent teacher, my statement stands.”
Read any of the Tea Potter sites about how secret deals are put in place by union bosses as they hoodwink their coerced members. Teacher administrator matters are protected by privacy laws, and unions routinely let members fall through the floor, because they don’t want to spend the bucks to defend them. The boasted $1,000,000 liability policy with the NEA does not apply in any matter that involves a possible connection with a crime. If a student makes accusation of sexual misconduct, regardless of how false, the unions only pay up to $35,000, and then only after the fact, if the teacher gets him/herself off. I watched this happen to a fine teacher of biology at Lowell.
You want to fire incompetent teachers? Then you need to find out if they are incompetent to teach in the average classroom, not in the bottom of the heap classroom, socio-economic-homelife-wise. And Greg, before you fire all the “incompetent teachers,” please make sure you’ve raised enough in taxes and prestige to attract the competent teachers who you seem so certain are hiding behind every bush. Or do you plan on importing them from abroad on HB-1 visas? That worked really well for software engineers, now didn’t it?

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

“So you have no problems with “business as usual” in the field of education…?”
What a bizarre conclusion.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

“union bosses” “tea party patriots” hoodwink teacher gets nearly 500 hits. Change “Tea Party Patriots” to “Tea Party” and how many do you get?

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

“”So you have no problems with “business as usual” in the field of education…?”
What a bizarre conclusion.”
Well, at least you don’t find them breaking any laws, now do you? I note that there are rubber rooms in NYC, where teachers accused of crimes may sit forever, drawing paying. Isn’t it odd that the Right assumes they are guilty, and yet there they sit? If they were really guilty, then they’d be brought to trial and sent to prison, no more paychecks!

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

There are no “rubber rooms” for teachers in NYC, Keach.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

But there are rubber rooms for software engineers in Nevada county.

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

Yet another example where Keachie, when corrected after making a false claim, just lets fly with a bizarre insult.

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

“But there are rubber rooms for software engineers in Nevada county.”
George, is this sort of snark appropriate here?

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

The Great Judge and Grand Master of Snarkness himself, speaks.

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

Todd and I are respectable pillars at our respective ends of the political spectrum.

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D. King

03 July 2011

Douglas-
“Can you tell me how rural Indians can afford solar and we can’t?”
Yes, we don’t need it!
“Time to nationalize the production of solar panels, just as we did the nuke bomb…”
Time to move to school vouchers.
“Associated Press= NADA, India (AP) — Boommi Gowda used to fear the night. Her vision fogged by glaucoma, she could not see by just the dim glow of a kerosene lamp, so she avoided going outside where king cobras slithered freely and tigers carried off neighborhood dogs.
But things have changed at Gowda’s home in the remote southern village of Nada. A solar-powered lamp pours white light across the front of the mud-walled hut she shares with her three grown children, a puppy and a newborn calf. Now she can now cook, tend to her livestock and get water from a nearby well at night.”
Drippy crap!
“Hope you saw the WWI program in which the USA borrowed citizens’ telescopes and binoculars for the war effort, and then returned the ones they could at the end of the war. The guy in charge of this operation was….drum roll…FDR. Government programs can work.”
Well, how about that, the government is good at what they’re constitutionally mandated to do; provide for the common defense.
Calpers lost 50 million in Oregon.
What about that Calpers half a billion dollars (our tax money)???
CalPERS allocates $500M for environmental investments
http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon.com/national/2010/11/calpers-allocates-500m-for.html

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Douglas Keachie

03 July 2011

If we don’t need energy independence, then maybe all our missile subs should run on diesel and refuel at all the friendly countries all around the world who so love to sell us oil?
There’s a lot to be said for not having to import energy, from a “providing for the common defense” point of view.

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D. King

03 July 2011

Yeah, but what about this!!!
Calpers lost 50 million in Oregon.
What about that Calpers half a billion dollars (our tax money)???
CalPERS allocates $500M for environmental investments
http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon.com/national/2010/11/calpers-allocates-500m-for.html

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George Rebane

03 July 2011

For those unfamiliar with submarine technology, diesel subs are air-breathers and must either run surfaced or on easily detectable snorkels. Short intervals of submerged running is made possible by batteries which must be charged while surfaced or snorkeling.

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

We are the OPEC of coal, oil shale and natural gas. If you want “energy independence”, extract those while drilling offshore California and the Gulf. New coal to liquid technologies are also viable at current pricing and I understand there’s even a portable natural gas to Diesel fuel converter being marketed to remote ranches that have gas wells bu are far from town.
Once the carbon dioxide scare is over we’ll have realistic energy options.

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Greg Goodknight

03 July 2011

“The Great Judge and Grand Master of Snarkness himself, speaks.”
Yes, you did. And given Todd J actually held elective office in this county, I think it’s ludicrous of you to claim equivalent stature.

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