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George Rebane

Mr Douglas Keachie is a loud voice in the community and on local blogs.  A man of progressive persuasion, he is also a sometime commenter on these pages.  In his latest effort he attempts to reveal “three fatal flaws” in my 11jun11 Union column ‘Entrepreneurship 2011’.  His revelation was published as an Other Voices submission in the 21jun11 Union (here).

Mr Keachie launches his piece with the devastating deduction that I claimed the tax rate to be 100% (confiscatory) for all earnings above $250,000 – “The tax on net income above $250,000 is not 100 percent.”  It is easy to verify that nowhere in my column do I make such claim or anything that remotely resembles it.  From that point of departure Mr Keachie proceeds swiftly downward in his displayed comprehension of what I wrote, and in his understanding of the entrepreneurial enterprise in general.

There are two possible explanations for such errors.  The first is that Mr Keachie is among the many who have been short-changed by our public educational system.  And that would explain why his remarkable conclusions fall into the lower categories as documented in the longitudinal National Adult Literacy Survey   that is conducted every ten years by the National Center for Educational Statistics.  As the record shows, this is not the first time that Mr Keachie has had trouble understanding what I write.  (I have reported extensively on adult numeracy and literacy on these pages – RR keywords ‘numeracy’, ‘adult literacy’.)

The other explanation is that Mr Keachie is taking a page from Saul Alinsky’s manual of political discourse, and simply fabricating a set of ‘facts’, attributes, or other characteristics that can be ascribed to a person to be denigrated.  Such characteristics, derived from whole cloth, go on to serve as the ridiculed targets for the remainder of the presentation.  The reader, unfamiliar with the original, is then at the author’s mercy.

As to why The Union so prominently published Mr Keachie’s article, one can only guess.  Perhaps, through their over-worked editorial filter, my column represented an ideological bias that had to be ‘balanced’, and the Keachie piece was the only one at hand – any port in a storm.

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187 responses to “Keachie Again Misreads Rebane”

  1. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    You implied 100% by saying that there would be no money for the entrepreneur left after taxes with which to hire more worker bees.

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  2. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    George, Keachie’s “other voices” piece was so poorly formulated and void of reason/logic that it hurt his cause (what ever that may be). His rant was unfocused and left readers confused and annoyed. Further, his arguments highlighted his lack of business prowess and understanding of economics. It is fun to watch progressives attack personal liberty with no factual/logical/ethical basis. I encourage him to write more :).

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  3. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Or there’s a third possibility. You are simply one more propagandist for letting the top 1% call in all the marbles and re-establish the New Feudalism. Do you claim that the entrepreneur, by taking extra money in the year in which it was made, and hiring folks, would suffer tax losses as a consequence of such actions?
    If you cannot make such a claim, then your argument about taxes above $250,000, regardless of how big or small, falls apart, with respect to the entrepreneur’ abilities to create jobs.

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  4. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Mikey McD, I asked before if the workers “you kept on” were charity cases who sat around and did nothing while collecting their paychecks, or if they actually contributed all along to your business recovery? You had no answer. Would you care to try again?

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  5. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    For some reason Keachie took early retirement from his job as a public school teacher from Planet Frisco, landing in North San Juan complaining about his small pension a decade or so ago. BA History from UC Berkeley. Math challenged.
    He can make incredible leaps past conventional logic in a single bound.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    After reading Keachie’s screeds for a wile now, it is clear he has no clue about economics. This is a good example of people teaching our young into oblivion

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  7. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    The reason was simple. They don’t pay teachers what they pay consulting engineers, so I had no plane with which to commute, and wife had and still has job up here. We bought here in 1997. Had I known which way the economy was going, I would have stayed on. Calculus challenged, yes.
    Tax 25 cents per $100 of stocks and commodities sold each open market day, and generate roughly 30 billion per year. Or tax the roughly 300 million Americans $1,000 each, regardless of how rich or poor, and generate the same amount. Good luck collecting… Soon it will be the rich moaning about paying for debtors prisons. Of course, they are already doing that, they’re just to selfish, shortsighted, and greedy, to realize it. Exporting jobs was the equivalent of shooting the USA in the back. Our prisons are currently full of the uneducated and unemployed, thanks to no taxes for excellent schools. Of course bringing in 12 million strike and wage busting illegals to work didn’t help matters much either…. Or would you care to document that Sanchez came across the border to vote for Democrats, because the Dems were paying them to do so?

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  8. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    In general. it would be useful to include some form of documentation to support opinions. I’m still looking for the one that documents the Reagan era doubling of tax income that does not include population increases and cost of living in it’s calculations. Can anyone help me on this?

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  9. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Our prisons are currently full of the uneducated and unemployed, thanks to no taxes for excellent schools.”
    I suspect San Francisco’s gain is North San Juan’s loss.
    We’re paying for excellent schools. Of the $92 billion of the 2010-2011 California state budget expenditures, $36 billion went to K-12 and $12 billion to higher ed. Giving more money to current administrators and current teachers would be as productive as giving beer and car keys to teenaged boys.

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  10. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    And how much did we spend keeping folks incarcerated? My understanding is that it is more than we spent on higher ed. $43,000 a year or so per prisoner, as compared to how much per pupil, including all the offspring of the illegals enticed here by the employers, who are generally associated with which party?

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  11. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    And now we’re branching off to undocumented Democrats. All the world’s a conspiracy to some folk.

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  12. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    So Greg, does your conspiracy theory insist that they came here to become Democratic voters, or do you admit they come here to be cheap labor and union busters, at the behalf of the employer folks, who, once again, tend to be members of which political party?

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  13. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    When Keach comes to a fork in the road, he takes it.
    You’re the one who seems to think illegal aliens are coming here at the behest of “employer folks” to be union busters, Keach.

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  14. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    If they are not coming here to pick up on low paying jobs from employers who will NOT ask them about citizenship in any meaningful way, then why do you think they come here? Do you deny that there are 12 million plus folks who showed up and, without stealing the country blind, have stuck around, now, for several generations? How do they do that, if not by being employed, and taking away jobs from American workers? Do the Unions say it is OK, or do the employers, not only say it’s OK, and do they then take steps to hire and employ these folks? How does this work, Mr. Goodknight?

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Yeah Keachie, those thousands of illegals in front of every home depot were being hire as computer scientist by HP. You crack me up. Those illegals were hired by people like you. You wanted a cheap lawn mower, branch cutter and roof cleaner. The left hired millions of these people to take care of their kids and their property. That is the “dirty” little secret. Also, you liberals are the ones who campaigned for all the civil rights for the convicts, not us. We wanted to build camps and do the Joe Arpaio thing. But no, we had to build these convict palaces for you liberals. The reason I know is because I was part of the Wayne Brown jail as a county supervisor. I want to incarcerate on the cheap but your ilk won’t allow that. Just look at the medical decision one of your ilk started and has now led to the release of many of your friends. We spend the most per capita in the world for education and we are sending our kids into the crapper because of you and your ilks policies. I bet you are so proud.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar

    Many illegals also benefit from the various transfer programs that require only a fogged mirror for qualification. But all the fine points aside, the illegals come here because 1) our government makes it ridiculously easy, and 2) no matter the impediments, they have hope in America where none existed in their native land. All of the crap about how illegals are mistreated in America is just that; they would not come if they did not perceive a net benefit.

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  17. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    How’s this for a Faustian bargain, Keach. The corrections budget in the state of California is about $9 billion, a quarter of the money spent for K-12 education.
    In return for pouring $9 billion a year extra for teacher’s salaries, the teachers union agrees to accept the removal of the bottom 5% of teachers as determined by an objective assessment such as the teacher’s SAT/ACT scores, or a value added determined by an analysis of their student’s test scores.
    Does anyone think that could fly better than the other budgetary pigs in Sacramento?

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  18. stevenfrisch Avatar
    stevenfrisch

    Perfect example of the mind set here. Keachie responds to George’s OV and the critique here is….he must be an poorly educated idiot… from both George and Greg. According to Greg only physics and math majors are capable of commenting on anything. Probably no art in his world;) Of course Todd tries to join in, but since he is barely literate he merely demonstrates that he reads bubble gum history and libertarian comic books.
    This may become my favorite Toddism, “After reading Keachie’s screeds for a wile now, it is clear he has no clue about economics. This is a good example of people teaching our young into oblivion”.

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  19. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    No, to the contrary. In my opinion, Keachie is a well educated idiot, and I’ve never written anything remotely like “only physics and math majors are capable of commenting on anything”. Just another defamatory statement from Chef Frisch.

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  20. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Wiley Toddy ranks right up there with Wiley Coyote. He certainly isn’t related to the book publisher..
    Greg,
    697 English, 613 math,NMSQT Semi-Finalist, guess which teacher would not be removed by your proposal?
    Funny how our government can practical strip search a member of the flying public, but didn’t have the gumption to secure the borders long ago. Who was it that lobbied to make the borders so porous? Was it Democratic community organizers, or was it the large farmer owners’ lobbyists that brought about that situation?

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Keach, the SAT net wasn’t for you. I’d have relied on the value added net for that, and if you never made the 5% cutoff, I’d be happy the ones even worse that were shown the door.
    More forks in the road, and Keach takes all of them.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    Would love to see a shred of evidence that points to the Ag lobby in making/keeping the borders porous. Any links or citations?
    As a teen-aged stoop laborer from the farm fields of Indiana, I’d also like to know at what wages would all of our unemployed teens banzai out to the fields of Imperial, Oxnard, Santa Rosa, and Salinas counties, let alone the farms of the Central Valley. These, no doubt, are the unemployed Americans who are standing at sidelines and cursing the illegals for taking their jobs. (Cue laughter.)

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch brings in his hate and never addresses the points made. What that ells me and others here is he is incapable of defending his positions or even responding to questions. How is the racial makeup of SBC Stevie? I have asked this for a long time because of your demeaning us as racists so many times. You never answer. Why is that? Regarding my literacy. I am as literate as you or any other liberal. Actually, I am deemed by many intelligent people as very literate. Your slights just cracks me up. When ou can’y resist name calling like a fifth grader, you prove I am smarter than you.

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  24. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The other little smear in Frisch’s love note “Probably no art in his [Greg’s] world”
    Now, why would Frisch write something like that? There’s no basis for it whatsoever, besides the age old bigotry against folks who have actually managed to get degrees in science that they must not be touched by beauty in the same way as artists do. In my experience, students of the sciences are more likely, not less, to also be artists than the general high school and college populations.
    What I have written in the past is that if the subject is a physical science, it helps to have a background in physical sciences to understand it, and neither journalism, poli-sci, history or even biology are remotely like physical science. It takes relatively little intellectual capital to wade through an upper division poli-sci or history class compared to fluid dynamics or quantum electrodynamics.

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  25. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch us simply jealous of your smarts and my successful life here in my home county. You make him look like a silly little portly fool when he tries to debate you and he is jealous of my ability to make women swoon when I go thru the xray machine at the airport. He is merely jealous.

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  26. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd, your comments are not very helpful, to my mind little different than the nasty little ad hominems that Frisch and Keachie fling into the fan on a regular basis.
    Your opinion of what they really think is as useless as their opinion as to what you really think.

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  27. RL Crabb Avatar

    Again, the x-ray machine…Sometimes I think Todd is as obsessed with his wedding tackle as Tony Weiner. Two guys who are aptly and correctly named.

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  28. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    What we have here are the Grand Teton’s of ego…..
    Reread the string dear lurkers and ask yourselves are these the people you want making decisions for you?
    That’s the choice you face.
    In my mind ‘regressive’ is kind. Try totalitarian on for size.

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  29. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    And some ad hominems are thrown by Steven Frisch as if on cue. Trying to make Todd look good in comparison?

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  30. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Frisch, your use of totalitarian as a label for those calling for more freedom is asinine propaganda. Totalitarian governments are birthed from collectivism, not individual liberty.
    Todd you have much more to offer when you take the high road (real life experiences, political history, local politics, construction regulations, etc).
    Keachie’s other voices exemplified/labelled himself as ‘someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

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  31. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Mikey, I believe you are wrong, and I apologize to idiots everywhere. By the wiki, Keachie is better termed a fool, not an idiot. High functioning but profoundly lacking the wisdom needed to put life into perspective.

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  32. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd J does bring up an interesting question. Steven Frisch, what is the ethnic composition of SBC’s staff?

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  33. Walt Avatar
    Walt

    Man,,,, this has been a fun read.Ya,,,, even a ditch digger understands these big words. ( I even went to school!!)
    Here is a clue about illegals.. they are not just taking the “jobs no one wants” BS!! pushing a shovel may be unskilled labor, but it’s honest work. Thanks to Mr. and MRS. Liberal promising them moon and stars, passing more and more laws to help illegals stay,
    hinder their being caught and deported, ETC.
    And anyone with ANY common sense knows a guy looking to hire is going to get the cheapest labor possible. And the Liberal couple strikes again. Passing law after law, that makes Mr.and Mrs Business
    life more difficult, making their profit margin slimmer and slimmer. ( ya,, there’s that evil word.. PROFIT )
    I like that “undocumented Liberal” comment. LOL
    Libs want felons to vote. They want illegals to vote.( just because they live here, and how “we” vote affects them)
    HELL Some LIBs want other nations to be able to vote in our elections.( because we have such a great influence on the rest of the world). NO ID to vote. But try and rent a video.
    Then again,,, maybe we would have tried that when “O” was running. Ohhh never mind,,, I forgot Europe loved him too. ( but not today…)

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  34. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Come on guys, this is fun. The left has attacked me and my family for many years and I always took the high ground and took their crap. Then I came to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter. I once did and OP-ED on AGW in 1997 and they almost ran me out of town. I have a lot of info in my head but I have concluded they are not salvageable on the left and they resort to the lowest common denominator. So, I return the favor because it makes me feel good. Frisch and his ilk trash you all and GOD bless you for putting up with it. I just don’t give a rats butt anymore. Blogs are a hoot!

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  35. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    RL for a cartoonist you sure are dense. I am using humor, sheesh! I guess you guys are just too serious.

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  36. RL Crabb Avatar

    I may be dense, but I can whip ya in a spelling bee.

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  37. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Todd, no one is laughing because it isn’t funny.

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  38. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Math challenged, indeed! Sorry to be late to the pissing contest, but by now I would someone to have pointed out to Doug that 300 million Americans at $1000 apiece would raise not 30 billion, but 300 billion.
    The sad fact is that even that figure wouldn’t cover even 20% of the annual Federal deficit.
    Try $5000 each for every, woman and child in the US on an annual basis and the total deficit would only rise by a trillion every decade instead of every 7 months.
    Let’s take a vote: who believes the revenue side of the US financial mess contains a solution?

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  39. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Beg your pardon for letting my fingers fall behind my thought. Of course, that should read “I would have thought that…” and “every man, woman and child…”

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Wow,even Greg is a sourpuss.

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  41. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Let’s take a vote: who believes the revenue side of the US financial mess contains a solution? Posted by: Larry Wirth | 22 June 2011 at 12:03 AM
    Not I.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    All the revenue is brought into the government by laws. You have to change the laws. Unless we have enough of our ilk in charge nothing will change.

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  43. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Thank-you Mr. Wirth,
    I knew eventually Greg would slip up in his role as high grand master of all things mathematical.
    Yesterday was the day.
    Let’s see, did they all come rushing across to pick up a lawn mowing job here, a baby sitting job there, OR
    WERE THEY ALREADY HERE, and the work in the fields was over?
    If the invisible hand of the market wasn’t shattered and bloody from employers, mostly Repubbys, arranging for cheap farm labor in this country, then yes, wages would rise, food prices would rise, and Americans would pick crops in the fields. The country was 95% farmers at the time of the Revolution, and Americans didn’t “have to have” imported labor from Mexico, because they “didn’t feel like working in the fields.” They did the work because it was available, and BTW, I had a girlfriend who sorted carrots in Santa Maria, California, who had a brain but didn’t know it. White like me, I might add, just educated to believe that sorting carrots was her role in life. When I was done filling in for the librarian on leave at Allen Hancock College, I couldn’t convince her to come north. Last I heard from her, she had married a Hells Angel who provided well for her, digging graves at the cemetery.
    If we up the 25 cents per $100 sold in the stock market to $2.50, we then generate $300,000,000, which of course is where I was going with the camel’s nose under the tent. Now $300,000,000 may not seem like much to some people but it is indeed almost one third of a trillion dollars.
    Now of course there wouldn’t be as much random noise in the markets due to computerized algorithmic trading, but maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad thing? Maybe having investors atually look at what companies are doing, and the markets they are involved in, might make for a more rational view of the USA economy. Algorithmically driven trading makes cash, but is it good for the country? Does it allow for our current long term disasters?
    Have you ever thought, BTW, that all the big trading houses not only know what you have, they also know what you intend to do with it,because they know where your buys and sells are. You don’t suppose they can’t build themselves a very neat model of which way a given stock is trending, and buy it up, and sell it, either long or short, on a daily or hourly basis, based on that knowledge?
    SUCKERS!

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  44. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    If Americans, especially young Americans, are afraid of hard work, how come so many go through the rigors of military training? If the wages of farm hand rise to become respectable, and Winston Cromwell can make $20/hour in the fields of Fresno picking spaghetti, American can pick just as fast as any imported workers. Case in point, MacDonald’s in the Fowler Center. Hot nasty noisy environment, and not much above minimum wage, and American teenagers going full tilt boogie.

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  45. George Rebane Avatar

    The beat goes on. “Now $300,000,000 may not seem like much to some people but it is indeed almost one third of a trillion dollars.”
    3e8/1e12 = 0.03

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  46. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    As you have pointed out correctly George, $300,000,000,000 is the correct figure. BTW, I have sent in a correction to The Union.
    a correction to yesterdays Other Voices by me:
    $1,000 should be replaced by $100.
    Please place this in your addenda or errors and corrections box
    thank-you
    Douglas Keachie
    Now how about you guys?
    Did the Mexican cross the border to mow your lawn?

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  47. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    300,000,000 100 $30,000,000,000.00
    30 billion dollars, one hundred dollars for every man woman and child
    100,000,000 300 $30,000,000,000.00
    30 billion dollars, three hundred days of taxes colect at 25 cent per $100 traded
    10 30,000,000,000 $300,000,000,000.00
    300 billion dollars, if tax on stock sales (AKA, trades) is 2.5%, one third of our current county and state taxes, also equivalent to roughly one third of a trillion dollars.
    Now, for George, who likes his numbers to be scientific.
    3.00E+08 1.00E+02 3.00E+10
    30 billion dollars, one hundred dollars for every man woman and child
    1.00E+08 3.00E+02 3.00E+10
    30 billion dollars, three hundred days of taxes colect at 25 cent per $100 traded
    1.00E+01 3.00E+10 3.00E+11
    300 billion dollars, if tax on stock sales (AKA, trades) is 2.5%, one third of our current county and state taxes

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  48. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    This Keachie guy is off his rocker! Logically Challenged Conspiracy theorists unite!

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  49. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Karen can’t read the math, evidently. Can’t build her own website either. Nah nah nah, must adapt to level of Rebane’s commentator chorus.

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  50. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Now Keach is faulting me for not doublechecking all of his rants. Classic.

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