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George Rebane

According to the progressive worldview, you will work just as hard and take just as much risk when the government takes 80% of your earnings as you will when the government takes only 30% of those same earnings.  That simple proposition is the left’s basis for funding any additional revenues they deem government to need.  Just raise tax rates until the numbers come out as required by your spending programs.

UncleSamGimme And it isn’t only the sheeple in their ranks that fervently believe this.  It is also a phalanx of credentialed economists (some Nobelists included) and behavioral sociologists.

That the historical data does not support this conclusion is ignored by the apologists who see all fiscal problems solved by simply raising taxes.  Most people will instinctively understand the insanity of such a belief, at least when they put themselves into the earner’s shoes.  ‘Why should I work just as hard for the dollar from which the government will let me keep twenty cents, than I do for the same dollar from which I got to keep seventy cents?  I think I’ll just take some extra time off and figure out where to put my energies so I can keep more of what I earn.’

And that such thoughts are beyond rocket science to the collectivist is borne out by their constant surprise of why government revenues fall when tax rates approach confiscatory levels.  Yet, as we can see today, their tax hike solution is in stasis, trotted out every time the debt burdens and unfunded liabilities of governments are discussed.  ‘We’ll just tax the rich, they’re so stupid that they won’t notice, and we’ll get all that extra money that they will continue earning no matter what we do.’


Stephen Moore in the 28may11 WSJ presents an analysis showing how the Obama administration expects to solve our fiscal problems by raising total tax rates above 60% in the near term, with the expectation of returning to even higher rates later.  Their assurance to the rest of us is ‘Don’t worry, the rich can afford it and they will pay it.’

Elsewhere we have been shown that if the rich really are that stupid and keep their earnings constant, AND the government takes ALL their earnings, it still won’t amount to a hill of beans as far as the real cuts we have to make in our entitlements payouts.

But the liberal mind is beyond conversion when it comes to looking at the world as a neat collection of little boxes of human activity, each isolated from the others, what you do to one of them affects only that specific activity.  Most people gave up that kind of thinking at a very young age and started seeing the linkages between almost everything that humans plan and do.  The fundamental paradigm that captures this reality is, ‘You can’t do just one thing.’

But liberal control of education teaches kids exactly the opposite in the affairs of man.  In those schools it is only natural things, like the environment, in which linkages exist.  And these linkages are only the politically mandated ones.  A tax-based example of this, which government monopoly schools have embedded in little formative minds, is the wholesale ignorance that state workers and corporations really pay taxes.  The little darlings grow up believing it until life’s last breath, and go to their reward never knowing that corporate taxes are just another sleight of government’s hand in their own wallets.

What’s more, it is real easy to get these good hearted folks to support raising taxes on greedy corporations, else it just adds to the filthy lucre of corporate profits, which, as we all know, is a pretty seamy reason to conduct business.

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143 responses to “The Liberal Mind – Tax Rates Don’t Affect Earnings”

  1. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    take their money and run!
    waiting to battle the US military
    run like little girls
    back up their bluster
    couldn’t fight the guys that walk the streets
    some type of marshal law.
    violent rhetoric
    “Cult of the killer”
    your regressive friends raised the issue of engaging in violence
    You guys don’t scare me,
    The regressive “randers” see Communist Muslims hiding everywhere
    obsessional fear
    “Fundamentalist/Totalitarians”.

    Anyone see a pattern here?

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  2. George Rebane Avatar

    Thank you Scott.
    PaulE, I am challenging Bartlett’s economic credentials while his conservative credentials may find their own level. Witnessing this morning’s headlines on NPR, the economists were again “surprised” at the inflation numbers announced – core inflation up, energy down – apparently missing them by 50 to more than a 100%. Along with the vaunted ‘analysts’, this is the gang that perennially can’t shoot straight. But those who believe in consensus logic are forever in their train. And, as a detail worth noting in such discussions, the “cracks in the Republican (tax) cathedral” are semantically orthogonal to my dispute of Bartlett’s analysis.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/05/orthogonality-semantic-and-otherwise.html

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  3. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Anyone see a pattern here?
    Yes!
    It’s my contention that they must, without exception, scare the crap out of themselves at least once a day!
    Nonphobphobia: The fear of not being afraid 🙂

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  4. Mikey McD Avatar

    WMARTIN, Your tax data is very interesting. Taxes skyrocketed to pay for WWII and never looked back.
    1940 politicians: “We just need to raise taxes for a few years to pay off some WWII debt, then we will return to pre-1940 rates”…
    http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?year=1910_2010&view=1&expand=&units=p&log=linear&fy=fy12&chart=11-fed_12-fed&bar=0&stack=1&size=l&title=&state=US&color=c&local=s

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    It is certainly not an accepted fact that we are overtaxed even among conservatives as my posting of Bruce Bartlett’s column shows. Here’s more from Mark Willen, Senior Political Editor, The Kiplinger Letter. Let us proceed knowing that the basic premise that we are overtaxed is not an accepted truth even in Conservative quarters.
    “Historically, taxes are actually fairly low as a percentage of personal income, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, and as a percentage of GDP, according to the Organization of Economic Development. They’re also low in comparison with the rest of the world. Of 30 developed countries across the world, including all of western Europe plus South Korea, Canada, Mexico, Japan and a handful of eastern European countries, the U.S. ranks fifth lowest measuring as a percentage of GDP. And that includes state and local taxes plus payroll taxes for unemployment, etc., as well as federal income taxes.”

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    One more: from Jesuit Scholar Fred Kammer. He made his comments in the lead article of the spring issue of Just South Quarterly, the quarterly newsletter of Loyola University of New Orleans’ Jesuit Social Research Institute, which he heads.
    Kammer noted that back in 1965, when the U.S. economy was humming, “the taxes paid by U.S. corporations were 4.0 percent of our GDP, compared to 2.3 percent average of other OECD nations. The U.S. then ranked second among OECD nations in corporate income taxes as a percent of GDP.”
    He said that by 2008, however, corporate taxes in the United States
    “had dropped to 2.5 percent of GDP, while other OECD nations had raised corporate income taxes to an average of 3.0 percent of their GDP.
    “Anti-tax corporate lobbyists will point to the high U.S. marginal corporate tax rate of 35 percent, which actually is the top rate of a graduated corporate tax structure. … But, because of deductions, credits and other tax breaks, U.S. corporations actually paid 13.4 percent of their profits in taxes on average from 2000 to 2005,” he wrote.

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  7. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Hey, c’mon, regressives aren’t racists and this campaign video proves it
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/0611/Most_offensive_ad_yet_Hahns_Homeboyz.html?showall
    Not!

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    Perhaps the most compelling proof of the country’s over taxation and over regulation is from the Obama administration itself here –
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/06/ruminations-15jun2012.html

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  9. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    Hey, c’mon, regressives aren’t racists and this campaign video proves it”….
    LOL. That’s a crack up. A little crudely made, but the “don’t vote for my opponent because they’ll give money to black people to buy guns and rape your daughter” always is worth a few points. It’s kind of like the “give money to the prison guards or they’ll quit and escaped mutants will burn down your house”. It’s all good.
    Heck, why do suppose so many people move to the foothills? Merely to buy soy products at Briar Patch and talk about the goodness of diversity in the whitest county in the state?
    To up the quality level of the ads, I’m thinking they could merely run this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsCxa4BZB8
    and then put a tag on it that says “My name is Janice Hahn and I approve this message”.

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  10. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “One more: from Jesuit Scholar Fred Kammer. He made his comments in the lead article of the spring issue of Just South Quarterly, the quarterly newsletter of Loyola University of New Orleans’ Jesuit Social Research Institute, which he heads.”…
    Holy moley, dude. You’re going to wear your google fingers out.
    What I’m picking up is that tax policy is an uncertain enough thing that people can argue about it, at least those groups that don’t run in strict lockstep.
    One argument that I find really weak is the one comparing tax rates to those of other countries. Not just because there’s so many other differences that they’re barely comparable, but because you really have to rejustify these kind of charges on a constant basis, rather like zero-based budgeting. Just because the Swedes find it reasonable to do what they do, means nothing to me. I’d rather duke it out over whether I feel good living in a place that will soon be 50% government when it used to be 7%, and seemed to operate tolerably well.
    I guess, in the final analysis, it’s all about whether I get to be left alone or not. Somehow, we seemed to be able to build roads and have schools, police, and fire protection for a small fraction of what the whole she-bang costs now. The Little Red Hen is getting bored with this bread situation.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    wmartin
    How many times have we heard bugled on this blog that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world? Doesn’t this involve a comparison or shall we ignore that blab? Shal we not take that statement seriously?

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  12. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “How many times have we heard bugled on this blog that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world? ”
    Oh, more than a few times I imagine.
    It’s really not such an easy number to ferret out. As a quick example, I believe this is true, dividends are not considered a tax write off in the US. Is that true in other countries? Dunno. You have to admit that it’s a little crazy to take income, pay taxes on it, give the remains to an investor, who has to pay regular income tax on it, who will probably buy something with it, and pay sales tax. Statutory rates show that it’s high:
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/257977-high-u-s-corporate-tax-rate-a-barrier-to-economic-growth
    but I don’t know the effective rates.
    I’ll admit that something is broken in corporation land in the US. Anti-trust law seems to have disappeared, executives make more than they are worth, and we try to encourage stock speculation by having special tax rates on stock held over a certain time period. At the same time, the future paychecks for retiring government bureaucrats (but not Social Security) are tied to keeping the balloon afloat. I think a lot of sins were forgiven as long as the DOW went endlessly up. A few decades of stock doldrums will get people interested in dividends again and away from speculation…assuming the dollar doesn’t auger in.
    Personally, I’ve never been sure why corporate taxes exist, aside from giving less of them to favored industries. You’d think that 100% of the total income would be offset by the cost of goods and labor plus a payout to the investors. This payout is then taxed at regular income rates. Perhaps corporate income taxes act like much of patent law in that they favor large, established, firms and serve to kill off new competitors.
    The real revolution needs to come from stockholders. They take it from both the markets (and the President’s very favorite company, Goldman Sachs) and from company executives. This last group seems to leave a firm on life support while they scoop off every penny possible. Go work at a large company for a while and be amazed.

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  13. D. Beezel Avatar
    D. Beezel

    Well that “trickle down” mantra has worked really well so far hasn’t it?
    It’s a joke as is the whole effect that it’s had on the middle class, and the economy.
    No matter how hard the right wants it, things are never going to get better for the middle class with the current program.

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  14. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Hey, let’s try her plan!
    Trickle NOWHERE!
    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi’s (D-San Francisco) personal wealth grew by 62 percent over the last year, making her one of the richest politicians on Capitol Hill.
    http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/06/nancy_pelosis_wealth.php

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  15. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    D. King
    What’s wrong with that? She must be doing something good because wealth always reflects success providing needed goods and services. Do you have a problem with rich people becoming successful? She shouldn’t have to pay graduated income tax on it either right? I’m trying to learn from you guys. How am I doing?

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  16. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Paul,
    I have no problem with a liberal being filthy rich.
    Good for her! I’m sure she earned it honestly.

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  17. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    From the above link.
    “According to media outlets, Apple stock owned by her husband rose from $500,000 in 2009 to $1 million in 2010. He also invested more money in Matthews International Capital Management, which reportedly jumped from being worth $1 million in 2009 to $5 million in 2010. His other real estate investments in Sacramento also shot up to $5 million, according to The Hill.”
    “His other real estate investments in Sacramento also shot up to $5 million, according to The Hill.”
    Wow! everyone else is taking it in the shorts.
    Give me some of that social justice and redistribution.
    “Meanwhile, more than 2.5 million Californians, including Pelosi’s constituents, don’t have enough money to buy food.”

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    What’s wrong with that? Should they be penalized for being smart or having good friends in the right places? If we force the poor to survive on their own we’ll improve the human gene pool by ending dependency on kindness or marxist social systems that take from the rich and feed the poor. I’m trying to get into the swing of things and quit being so negative about rich people.

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  19. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    “I’m trying to get into the swing of things and quit being so negative about rich people.”
    I see we are both students. I’m studying the left’s art of hypocrisy. Fortunately, there are plenty of good examples.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

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  20. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “I’m trying to get into the swing of things and quit being so negative about rich people.”
    I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree here.
    As usual, making something legal doesn’t mean you have to approve of it. Just because, for example, fat young women (the majority these days, it seems) shouldn’t have been exposing midriffs doesn’t mean that the police should have been running around with tarps to cover them up.
    Although perhaps they should have.
    Speculators are a funny case. They’re necessary, to keep the money flowing and to establish a price, but they’re a form of overhead on society. Like lawyers I suppose.
    There’s probably a lesson in the fact that the evil Koch Bros. made a fortune on selling useful products while the saintly George Soros made a fortune on buying and selling bits of paper.
    To be fair, Pelosi really is the perfect representative of her area:
    . Harpy? Check.
    . Speculator? Check.
    . Full blown member of political elite? Check.
    Somehow I can’t see Ron Paul pulling big numbers there.
    Generally, it’s funny how far members of the Left manage to distance themselves by what you might consider real work. The glory days of the Bisbee Deportation and fighting wars with Pinkerton are long gone. It’s been mostly replaced by a nomenklatura consisting of people with unearned wealth, journalists, and academics at the high end, and with government paper pushers, coffee shop political theorists, aid recipients, and non-profit ‘thought leaders’ at the bottom.

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  21. Ben Emery Avatar

    Another factor in our national debt and tax system
    excerpt from Robert Reich:
    http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/05/18/pm-the-new-lending-way/
    Forty years ago, wealthy Americans financed the U.S. government mainly through their tax payments. Today wealthy Americans finance the government mainly by lending it money. While foreigners own most of our national debt, more than 40 percent is owned by Americans — mostly the very wealthy.
    This huge structural change in how America’s rich finance government — from paying taxes to lending money — has gone almost unnoticed. But it’s critical for understanding the budget predicament we’re now in.
    Over that four decades, tax rates on the very rich have dropped. Between the end of World War II and 1980, the top tax rate remained more than 70 percent — and even after deductions and credits was well over 50 percent. Capital gains rates were also higher than today.

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  22. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    You cannot make economic headway on this blog by using Reich. Try some from the WSJ and Forbes.

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  23. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    You cannot make economic headway on this blog by using Reich. Try some from the WSJ and Forbes.”
    Heck, I’d just be happy to seem some opinion that was formed from raw data, and was somewhat provable.
    This business of madly googling for editorials you agree with seems like kind of a waste of time.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Glad to accommodate you Todd. This is from Forbes.
    wmartin
    This is valuable for no other reason than to show that there is wide variety of opinions by qualified people on this topic.
    “Surely, then, the problem must be that we are overtaxing our corporations, hampering their ability to invest in new and exciting goods and services that will stimulate employment.
    Nope.
    Despite the Republican pitch that we must lower corporate tax maximums from 35% to 25%, it turns out that corporate taxes will contribute just 1.3% of G.D.P. this year.
    And if you are looking for a rather extraordinary point of comparison, note that this 1.3% is but 1/3 of what corporations paid in 1950.”
    http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/05/31/top-reagan-advisor-calls-out-the-gop-for-lying-to-america-about-taxes/

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  25. Mikey McD Avatar

    The bottom line is that government spending needs to be cut. The USA does not need HUD, Department of Energy, Dept of Education, Dept of Health and human services, Dept of Labor to name a few. Cut the fat before you raise already extreme taxes.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Let’s look at one at a time Mikey
    There are many health regulations that the Dept of Health and human services administers and maintains. If you eliminated health and human services would some or all those regulations also be eliminated. If some were kept who would administrate them.

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  27. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    You can’t.
    When you boil it down to the essentials, much of the US government is a giant jobs program. Think of it as Greece writ large.

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  28. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “There are many health regulations that the Dept of Health and human services administers and maintains.”
    Whoa. Full stop. You are making this up as you go along.
    The real problem is that nearly all of HHS is Medicare and Medicaid.

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  29. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    I am not trying to make political headway with anyone I am putting another perspective in the discussion. I believe in an economy from the bottom up and regulars on Ruminations believe in a top down economy. You can try and spin the last statement all you want but that is the naked truth about this discussion.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    So BenE let me try to understand your thoughts here. Bottom up to the top of what? If a bridge needs to be constructed over the Yuba River, under your philosophy we go get the who? To begin the bridge, who starts the process? The diggers? You see, many of us who are entrepreneurs don’t understand your “bottom up” thinking. Please tell us in detail how the bridge gets built.
    PaulE, thanks for confirming my request to go to other sources rather than just Marx. Maybe I am missing your idea here about the necessity for all these government programs so please explain to me this. If we spend 100 billion of tax money to give say, the HHS people to oversee health, wouldn’t it be better to actually send the money to states and let them take care of their own folks? Or, maybe send the money in the form of a loan to the people directly and ask them to help in some way the rest of the taxpayers who sent the money? Please tell us how having all these federal departments is better than just sending the money back or better yet, letting the taxpayer keep his hard earned middle class dough himself.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    wmartin
    I’m not making anything up. I just followed up on Mikeys desire to eliminate the HHS by asking about the programs that they administer and questioned which ones would be eliminated. So, I’ll take your lead then and ask if HHS is eliminated will that mean the end of Medicare and Medicaid as well?
    Todd
    Virtually all developed nations have a form of national health care, socialized medicine or what ever you want to call it. Can you show me any shining examples of nations that have anything near what you propose? You’re vision is idealistic and looks good on paper but is it actually being done anywhere? I hopes the Forbes article has enlightened you as to the fallacy of the record high taxes spout that penetrated this blog.

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  32. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “I’m not making anything up. I just followed up on Mikeys desire to eliminate the HHS by asking about the programs that they administer”…
    My guess is that neither you nor Mikey (nor I) can list these ‘programs’ you are talking about, it’ll take some mad google skillz. It actually takes a fair amount of homework to dig into a budget.
    In any case, HHS (your choice), is practically all Medicare/aid.
    Maybe the Dept. of Education might be a better choice, since it’s not hooked to a giant welfare program. Trouble is, of course, is that someone will have to look up what they actually do. My guess is that a person could extract real knowledge by having detailed budgets from now and from, say, 30 years ago.

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  33. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “I believe in an economy from the bottom up and regulars on Ruminations believe in a top down economy.”
    Hey, I like this theory.
    The bottom up economy is built by taking money from the top and giving it to the bottom, so that it goes to the top again.
    Of course, to do this, requires a top down rule set. In that case, I guess that the real top is Mr. Ben Emery who will invent a top down rule which will force the less than top to give to the bottom.
    The middle will then receive rules from both Mr. Emery and the top, will give money to the bottom, and will likely have to move into their cars.
    It’s a simple plan, but elegant.

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  34. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Okay, we might find some agreement here concerning the Dept of education. My former whatever was a charter school administrator who had to deal with and fund the No Child Left Behind fiasco imposed by the Bush Admin. I believe education should be funded locally county then state) as much as possible and I favor some form of the voucher system but it may not be exactly as you like if. I think State sponsored education has dangerous possibilities other than funding.
    Those of you that suffered through the interminable Rianne Eisler blab will have a better idea of where I stand and how I think schools should be maintained and I won’t get back into it unless forced.
    If we don’t provide equal opportunity in education for all those able and willing we will be installing a permanent underclass that will not serve any good ends. In Denmark you can have unlimited public funded education but by no means is it for everyone. Only a designated group based on performance can go to the next level and potentially all the way to the top. Of course, if you have private funding you can go to private schools regardless of your ability. That’s capitalism that even Denmark appreciates. Denmark is of course a small country but it can be somewhat compared to a State and if States take pride in their own educational systems free of federal intrusion they will not only be better funded, assuming the same dollars are available, but also more dynamic and versatile to serve the communities and environment within their boundary.

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  35. Ben Emery Avatar

    Todd,
    Why is it when we are talking about macro economic policies and philosophy you bring in a specific micro anecdotal question? There are many starting points to your question?
    What location and what purpose? Is is public or private land? Weight capacity? DEIR results? Funding? ect…
    Top down economy is big business and big money dictate a national economy that affects regional, state, and local economies. (monopolistic)
    Bottom up are small business local, state, and regional economies that make up the national economy. (competition)
    Big business can exist in both economies but in one economy they dictate the economic/ trade policies and the other they work within the policies set in the interest of the nation not the specific industry.

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  36. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “In Denmark you can have unlimited public funded education but by no means is it for everyone.”
    Do they have a trade school system that they veer people into? That makes a certain amount of sense.
    Generally, education is kind of a funny beast. Do you spend the most money on your most talented students? is it spread equally? or do you spend a batch on the low functioning? I have a feeling we went from the former to the latter.
    My gut tells me that K-12 should be run 100% by states or school districts, with a slim pamphlet from the feds laying out a few basic rules (thou shalt build thine building according to National Code, thou shalt not have separate drinking fountains for black children, etc.). If a state has bad schools, people will leave. It’ll be 50 experiments.
    If the Texans want to teach their children that Jesus rode dinosaurs on his way to divvy up fishes and loaves and whatnot, let them knock themselves out. I don’t think the federal government really brings much to the mix considering how large states are.
    Having said that, I have no clue how much money the Dept. of Education receives or what they waste it on. Worth a few minutes of googling….

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Well spoken wmartin
    Here’s some basics on Denmark’s trade schools(from Wikipedia for what it’s worth} All schools in Denmark are tuition free. It’s pretty much what I recall from my time spent there.
    (from Wikipedia for what it’s worth}
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_secondary_education_in_Denmark
    “Contrary to academically oriented types of secondary education such as the Gymnasium, vocational secondary education aims directly at jobs rather than higher education, although it is possible, with certain requirements, to enter a university to study for instance engineering upon completing vocational education.
    Students train for work in a specific profession (e.g. as an electrician or a chef), but the different education programmes are organized in eight main groups that share certain subjects…..”
    That’s it for me today.

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  38. Ben Emery Avatar

    Some more Reich
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JTzMqm2TwgE
    If you factor in along with what Mr Reich has said
    import tariffs going from 25%/ 30% to 2% since 1980 (American jobs leaving country)
    private sector unionized work force from 25% to 6% since 1980 (low wages/ benefits, American jobs leaving the country)
    financial sector creating derivatives along with new futures and conflating commercial banking with investment banking since 1999 (more money = more political power in the financial sector)
    illegal military actions since WWII and the military industrial complex accounting for 5 to 10% of our workforce (inability for executive branch to relinquish war powers back to congress)
    And our corporate media being consolidated to less than 10 companies controlling over 90% of the content while having interlocking boards and interests with every major industry (we get expert news coverage on what works for the top industries instead of the real news, example; lead up to illegal invasion of Iraq)
    We get America in 2011

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  39. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    Once you are a decamillionaire or higher, on a yearly basis, the dollars become score markers for most people. As Ray Charles once said, “you can only eat three meals a day.” You can own 20 chateau,but you can pnly sleep in one of them per night.
    Tax RATES are totally different than taxes COLLECTED. Even a caveman knows that.

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  40. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BenE, your respone to my simple questioning of your economic theory was enlightening. I simply asked how and who would be in charge of constructing a bridge. You go into land ownership an environmental studies. That is why the country is a mess. Liberal thinking can’t build the bridge. Maybe Teichert can. I doubt your small businessman could do it based on your requirements. You want the bottom to be the top but are so convoluted in your thinking that maybe the middle should be in charge of the top or the bottom over the middle who then could parley with the top to get the middle to concede.

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  41. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul Emery hallucinates “My former whatever was a charter school administrator who had to deal with and fund the No Child Left Behind fiasco imposed by the Bush Admin. I believe education should be funded locally county then state) as much as possible and I favor some form of the voucher system but it may not be exactly as you like if. I think State sponsored education has dangerous possibilities other than funding.”
    Sorry, but No Child Left Behind was more Ted Kennedy than George Bush, and the Federal Dept. of Education has been a Democratic sacred cow since before it was elevated to Cabinet level by Jimmy Carter and friends. And the current mantra of “local control” by those in the ed biz is mostly a ruse to defacto hand more power to the unions, who are not under local control.

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  42. George Rebane Avatar

    A popular and important thread in this comment stream has been the discussion of tax rates and their effect on government revenues. I invite this discussion to continue under ‘Higher Tax Rates = Lower Revenues’ here
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/06/higher-tax-rates-lower-revenues.html

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