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The cartoon by friend and RR reader RL ‘Balanced Bob’ Crabb appears in today’s (24may11) Union.  Balanced Bob is a self-proclaimed down-the-middle observer of our partisan puffings and pitfalls.  Here he administers a well-worn leftwing swipe at the tea party movement by taking it to task for being too focused as an organization.  The tea party attracts its members through the narrow door of small government, fiscal responsibility, constitutionality, and free markets.

The tea party members (and I am one) take these as a limited yet powerful set of goals for governance that many people can agree on.  We don’t cover the waterfront as a political party might by also espousing social goals, a foreign policy, and so on.  This doesn’t mean that tea party members don’t each have their own beliefs and ideas about all those things; it’s just that these are not germane to their membership in our particular organization.  Sorta like the National Organization for Women not taking a stand on free markets (maybe they do?).

But a standard tack of the left, when at a disadvantage on the main point of an argument, is to immediately defocus it in either the topical and/or the historical dimension.  To their mind this is a perfectly valid method of discourse, especially political discourse.  For example, if a proposition is made that ‘high school education would be improved by putting only qualified teachers into classrooms’, then a teachers’ union progressive would deflect the argument by accusing his counterpart of not caring for the quality of grade school education by omitting that from his proposition.  Or even more egregiously, applying the historical gambit, ‘Yeah?  Well where were you guys when we tried to do that ten years ago?’  Examples of this abound in the comment streams of these pages.

So here we have Balanced Bob now tilting at the tea party from the left in order to keep his credentials in equilibrium.  But the part that I’m having trouble understanding is how are we being “deceptive” by constantly publishing our focused emphasis on the principles we espouse.  And just because they were never meant to be comprehensive does not mean that tea party members wear blinders and are ignorant about the other issues on which their candidates take a stance.

I may not be among the most knowledgeable of tea party members – for which I apologize – but I do invite anyone sharing Bob’s view of the organization to button hole a member and talk to him/her about their knowledge of candidates and other issues.   It is the tea party kind of large scale awakening of the American electorate that keeps slogan-slinging politicos awake nights.

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115 responses to “Tea Party – “Deaf, deluded, deceptive”?”

  1. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    RL does his best to skewer all of us but I bet there are some single issue organizations even he won’t skewer (at least the TPP have four issues). Your use of NOW is a fine example of a single issue group, abortion, yet they support many candidates who only support the unfettered NOW position, yet I am sure their candidates are concerned about other issues. So how about “Gay” rights? They seem to be a single issue group but remain the third rail of instant political death if you draw a cartoon mocking them or their candidates. I don’t have as much angst about RL on this because the old dictum of “if they are making fun of you you must be doing something right”, is at play. If RL has done anything mocking “gay” rights, abortion on demand or welfare queens, I apologize in advance.

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  2. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    Part of the problem of the Tea Party in the eyes of the public is which one. You have articulated very well the positions of the Patriots but the TP Expressers, which are an outreach wing of the Republican Party have a totally different approach and actually endorse and fund raise for candidates. So in the broad sense Bob is accurate because it takes an expert to decipher the codes of each organization. That makes the message deceptive. Also, you have candidates running on their own using the TP flag such as Jack Davis in New York. Interestingly enough the TP Express Rebublican operatives are trying to squash him because they are worried that he’ll swing the election to the Democrats, which he might. All this is being done in the name of the Tea Party.
    The Tea Party logo seems to be public domain so anyone can use it adding to the confusion. Personally, I’ve never really understood what even the the TPP’s really stand for because when you bring up individual situations such as the Constitutionality of the wars in Iraq and Afgan they run for cover. So what does it mean to say you’re for Constitutional Government if it doesn’t apply to specific situations. Deceptive? You make the call. That’s just one example.
    Mostly the TP’s are just a repackaging of the Republican right that will vote for the R’s when election time comes as they always have. They are serving the useful purpose right now for the Democrats of pushing too far to the right and leaving the center open. Deaf, Deluded? They are supported by no more than 30% of the voters and support is not growing.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm

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  3. George Rebane Avatar

    Paul, indeed the tea party is a fragmented movement, and not every member will have opinions on every application of its principles – e.g. constitutionality of certain wars – which is the same as almost all liberals ‘running for cover’ when the details of their supported Obamacare are brought up – e.g. the wholesale rush for waivers from something that was supposed to be embraced the more we found out about it.
    Also, the tea parties’ support at the 30% level is astounding in American politics. According to Pew Research only 20% of Americans are progressives and 40% conservatives, with the rest made up of putative independents. Does that make the progressive movement less significant than the tea party? Not in my mind.
    The Democrats don’t act as if the TPs are serving any “useful purpose” for them. If they really thought so, they would keep their mouths shut and quit bolstering TP membership by constantly attacking them for faults real, perceived, and fabricated. As a tea partier, I am quite happy with their keeping the limelight on us, else we might erroneously think we have prevailed and fade away.
    In the final analysis one must remember that the tea party, like many movements, came into being and is sustained by its opposition – in this case people who are fiscally profligate, constitutional revisionists, promote a ballooning and intrusive government, and heavily regulated markets.

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  4. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    You missed the point of what I said. In my view the 30% is the same Repub righters this time with a Libertarian light edge. I don’t see it as any thing else other than repackaging with confusing labels. Also, there s no evidence support is growing.

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  5. George Rebane Avatar

    Paul, I don’t have any data on TP growth or shrinkage, only on the general size you quote. The membership may be made up as you see it, although people give evidence that there is a small contingent of Democrats who have been successfully drawn into supporting the TP precisely because of its narrow focus, which they do not perceive as being right wing, but merely the policy values of traditional Americana on the TP’s stated principles.
    Also, if the 30% is made up of just the usual Republican suspects, then it would pay the Dems double to ignore the movement as just a bunch of Repubs wearing another hat. Apparently the Dems see something more potent there.
    In the final analysis, it is the 40% undecideds and the ‘never careds’ that the TP is attempting to inform and entice. I have no idea of how many of those 30% are now made up of these heretofore non-conservatives. But we do need for the carping to continue.

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  6. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Newt Gingrich calls Paul Ryan’s budget exactly what it is “Right wing social engineering.”
    And Bob Crabb calls out the ever incredible shrinking Tea Party for what it is, all in the period of 2 weeks.
    Maybe there’s hope for the Republic yet!

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  7. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    OK again I need to be educated. “Expressers” Are those the people that participated in the rally that ended up in DC or ? What am I missing? Paul?

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Only if the liberals move to Cuba.

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  9. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Sorry… but like Palin the Tea Party’s 15 minutes of “fame” are over. It’s all down hill for the Tea Party from here.
    One recent example is the failed Tea Party rally at the South Carolina State House:
    “The Columbia (South Carolina) Tea Party went from Donald Trump to jilted chump after the celebrity businessman canceled his appearance at Thursday’s State House rally, and state legislators approved tax breaks and spending that the group opposed,” according to The State newspaper.
    No more than 30 people were on hand to thank Gov. Nikki Haley, lawmakers and activists for their work to require more on-the-record Legislative votes.
    “It was all part of a tough week for the state’s Tea Party movement. Columbia Tea Party chairman Allen Olson expected as many as 2,000 would have attended Thursday’s rally had Trump been there. But The Donald, a favorite of many who attended the group’s Tax Day rally with U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., elected to not run and dropped the rally from his schedule.
    “It was a kick in the gut, but it gives you a chance to regroup,” said Olson.
    In 2012 that last act of the Tea Party will be to help re-elect President Obama to a second term.

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  10. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul Emery is making more sense than usual. And RLC’s latest might be just a tad mean considering there are many loud self proclaimed Tea Partiers who really aren’t partisan republicans and not interested in right wing social engineering. They just want a government that lives within its means.
    There really is no definable “Tea Party” and will probably die as a brand because of this. May be good for another election cycle or two.

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  11. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Bob W
    I was trying to be cute. Expressers meant members of the Tea Party Express.

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  12. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    I like cute. What is the Tea Party Express?

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  13. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    They are the Tea Party Franchise that is largely funded and managed by the Republican Party. George or someone else could speak to that with more detail,

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  14. Barry Pruett Avatar

    I agree with Paul in that you need to be an expert to know which TP is which. Further, the TP Express is exactly a fundraising arm of the Republican Party. That said, TP Patriots is truly a non-partisan, non-candidate endorsing entity which seeks to advance fiscal responsibility, constitutionalism, and free markets. Social issues, as far as they are not related to fiscal responsibility, are not part of the TP Patriots platform.
    While Bob’s cartoon seems a bit mean, it really reflects what the layman, non-TP person sees in the media. Bob’s pen knows no sides…that is what I like about him…and his pen.
    BTW, thank you Bob for doing the art work for the NC Soapbox Derby! I saw some of it today at my Rotary meeting…very nice!

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  15. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    “Express”, “Franchise”? The descriptor I am familiar with is the Tea Party Patriots. I am trying to learn what the “Express”, and now “Franchise” refers to. I don’t want to misinterpret what you are trying to convey Paul. Is there and “Express” or “Franchise”?

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  16. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Franchise is my descriptive of joining in the Tea Party movement with your own storefront so to speak . I could start the Tea Party Legion for example and make up my own rules, gather a few followers and have meetings and marches. I wonder if that name is used?

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The longevity of a political party or a bunch of like minded people is only as good as their hot blood and organizational skills. Enos seems to be excited in his view the Tea Party’s may not last. Well, maybe not. They were formed spontaneously and if they are satisfied the accomplished their goals they may head off into the sunset. That is why America is so great. We have created and maintained a political pressure relief valve and any group can spout. During the 60’s when I watched the SDS, Free Speechers from Berkley, the leftwingnuts in Chicago, I never gave it a thought these gtoups would be around for ever. People like Enos would never say anything about those nuts like he does with the Tea Party. But that is OK. Liberals hold the line and don’t criticize their brethren, they believe them.. The millions of people that came together for the “American Spring” may be around for a while or maybe not. Maybe they will take the place of the democrat party. The point is if they do go away, they proved their point. 63 new Congressmen and 675 new State level electeds is their legacy so far. I’d say that is very amazing.Oh, BTW, I am not a member.

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  18. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    One of Crabb’s most hateful cartoons.

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  19. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    The liberal fascists want the social issues to be discussed because it allows them to keep mortgaging/enslaving future generations. They would rather discuss gay marriage, circumcision (see S.F.), etc rather than focus on the trillions (with a T) of debt and wasteful spending.

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  20. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    Sorry Paul. I just can’t keep up with you. First you mention a specific group and give them a label. “TP Expressers, which are an outreach wing of the Republican Party have a totally different approach and actually endorse and fund raise for candidates.” Then you re-label the group, “Tea Party Franchise”. Then you tell me it was all your fantasy and make up another name, “Tea Party Legion”. What the H—– are you talking about? I thought you were serious about whatever you were trying to say.

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  21. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    George, do you believe that it is our elected politicians whom ‘reshape America’s culture’? Does a politician control the values of our culture?
    What if our culture was reshaped into ‘savers’!?
    What if our culture was reshaped into being self reliant!?
    What if our culture was reshaped into an educated citizenry!?
    What if our culture was reshaped into an anti-entitlement culture!?

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I made up a group to demonstrate how easy it is to start your own Tea Party franchise. This started when George asked for feedback about Crabbs cartoon and I commented that the shear number of Tea Party groups makes the whole movement look like sour dough starter especially when they all have different motives and definitions. Sorry if you didn’t get it.

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  23. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    Yea it was just me and you don’t need to apologize because it WAS just me. But now I do get it. You like to make up things. That’s cool. I’ll just try to keep that in mind when I read your comments.

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  24. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Mikey
    I’m mostly with you on this one. Remember when Bush created the little tax rebate and bragged about how this was going to help the economy because people would spend, spend, spend. Why is credit such a good thing? Do people need to go into debt to keep this economy going? There are many forces other than elected politicians that contribute to this including advertising that constantly is trying to influence people that that they need useless products for example. Of course it’s up to the individual to make those decisions but how can they be empowered to be independent?
    I’m all for local self reliance for food , energy and yes education. Local taxes, local schools. Education should be part of our culture not a government mandate.

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  25. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    See Paul! Now you make total sense to me. With all that going on I am sure there is some kind of image or vision in that last post. Local taxes for local schools and maybe you are linking those local taxes with local food and local energy too. Not sure on that one. Definitely of your manufacture though! You should be credited.

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  26. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Yeah Bob
    I’m an odd duck. I’m kind of a Libertarian Green. I believe you can’t have liberty without a healthy earth. I’m a strong Libertarian on social issues.

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  27. George Rebane Avatar

    For the record, my membership is only in the Tea Party Patriots, Nevada County coven 😉 We are a grassroots part of the overall tea party movement, and we get real agitated when a politician of any stripe attempts to get us to endorse them. Our counter is consistent – ‘No, we won’t endorse you, but if you convince us that you espouse our principles, then you can bet that some of us will vote for you.’

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  28. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    As of 6:42 tonightDemocrat Democrat Kathy Hochul has a 5% lead over Republican Jane Corwin in the race to succeed Republican Chris Lee with 55% of the votes in. Self proclaimed Tea Party candidate Jack Davis has 8%. Chris Lee won by a 40% margin in November.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Jack Davis was a three time democrat candidate for Congress before this year. Sounds like a dem trick. Maybe it will work. There are 300 precincts left.

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  30. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    It’s been called for Hochul. Gee Todd. I thought Dems were Tea Party Types as well. Even if Corwin got 100% of the Davis vote she would still only win by 3%. Quite a drop from the 40% Lee margin in November.

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  31. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    If Democrat Kathy Hochul holds and wins this is a real big message to the R’s and the Tea Party. This district is as strong an R distict as it gets… or I should say WAS as strong as an R district as it gets.
    I pray the Tea Party stays alive until the 2012 election as they will help make sure President Obama is re-elected.

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  32. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Reality comes a knocking…
    According to the New York Times story:
    “Democrats scored an upset in one of New York’s most conservative Congressional districts on Tuesday, dealing a blow to the national Republican Party in a race that largely turned on the party’s plan to overhaul Medicare.”
    “The results set off elation among Democrats and soul-searching among Republicans, who questioned whether the party should rethink its commitment to the Medicare plan, which appears to have become a liability as 2012 elections loom”.
    “Two months ago, the Democrat, Kathy Hochul, was considered an all-but-certain loser in the race against Jane Corwin. But Ms. Hochul seized on her Republican rival’s embrace of the proposal from Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, to overhaul Medicare, and she never let up”.
    “Voters, who turned out in strikingly large numbers for a special election, said they trusted Ms. Hochul, the county clerk of Erie County, to protect Medicare.”
    Thank you Tea Party, thank you RINO hunters… keep up the good work!

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  33. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Liberals are never happy. Paul claims all TPP are R’s and when we point oit one is a D he retreats. What a hoot. I look at the race in NY 26 as a repudiation of Lee. This will be a one term seat for the left. The general in 2012 will reurn it to R’s. That’s OK, you only need 62 more.

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  34. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Oh my.
    The voters have rejected “right wing social engineering.”

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  35. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Please define “right wing social engineering.” Is that a ‘creative’ way of saying The voters have rejected liberty?

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  36. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    btw, I have paid as much attention to tonight’s election as I have Oprah’s guest list for next week.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    You have it partially right. I believe that most TP advocates are Republican. It was the TPers who claimed they had Democratic support. Your analysis that this result was rejection of Bad Boy Lee’s nasties insures no one will ever take you seriously as a political observer. Really, I don’t that you really believe that.

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  38. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    correct
    I don’t think that you really believe that.

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  39. Mike Thornton Avatar

    “Right Wing Social Engineering”
    Republican Presidential Candidate Newt Gingrich’s analysis of the Ryan Budget Proposal

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  40. Brenda Cruz Avatar
    Brenda Cruz

    Has Baja/enos ever contributed solutions- how about it Baja? How would you get the economy going again (if you cared)? How would you improve employment? How would you provide health care to the masses? How would you solve the pension, SS and medicare crisis? Would you fuel or temper the current class warfare in the USA?
    Enough with the drivel, can you offer any solutions?

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  41. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Hey Thornton is that opposed to Left Wing Social Engineering that were up to are eyeballs in ??? Hows that working out for us the last few years. Their all for it until they find out it really does effect them – then want a waiver – nice.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul your analysis is quite rudimentary. Ever run for for office? There is an old axiom that says if something is simple and something is complex, go with the simple. Study up Paul, the leftwing has the news outlets and they started this talk about a referendum on Medicare and the lackey press runs with it. My bet it was Lee.

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  43. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    BTW, remember the R who won the special election in democrat Hawaii last year? Well, you libs said it wasn’t a indicator but now it is for the National elections in 2012. Make up your minds. What a hoot.

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  44. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That doesn’t make sense Todd. Corwin started hot and faded after Medicare became an issue, long after the steam cooled off from Lee’s shirtless email.
    This is from Poll Watch Daily showing Hochul’s rise in the last few weeks.
    “Hochul’s image among voters has also shown sharp improvement compared to Corwin. Three weeks ago, she was seen favorably by 44 percent of likely voters and unfavorably by 31 percent, with 25 percent saying they had no opinion or didn’t know enough about her to express on. Now her favorability margin is 55 percent to 38 percent, with 7 percent expressing no opinion.
    In contrast, Corwin has slipped into negative territory. In late April she was viewed favorably by a 44 percent to 31 percent margin with the remainder expressing no opinion, but now she is viewed unfavorably by 49 percent to 43 percent, with 9 percent expressing no opinion.
    There’s no question that the Medicare issue is a major contributor with 21 percent citing it as the top issue, closely followed by jobs (20 percent) and the federal deficit (19 percent). Among those who chose Medicare as the top issue, 74 percent back Hochul.”

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  45. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Nice attempt of a childish, personal attack by Brenda Cruz. Seems someone can’t address the issues so they make personal insults… just childish “drivel” that helps prove my point.

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  46. RL Crabb Avatar

    Well, well, well…A guy doesn’t turn on his computer for a day and lookee what happens. Volumes of comments taking me to task for one of my usual observations on the state of American politics.
    As regular readers of blogs may remember, Russ Steele invited me to hold a forum on the goals of the Tea Party last year. Every time I brought up the so-called social issues, commenters said over and over “No, Bob, this has nothing to do with abortion, gay rights, etc, etc…We are solely focused on economic issues.”
    Now that we have gone through an election cycle and Tea Party candidates have been successful in taking over many state houses and the House of Representatives, we can see that there does appear to be more than what was advertised. New restrictions on abortion, moves to eliminate benefits to gay couples, teaching intelligent intervention as science. And, of course, the forty year plan to reshape the culture.
    Our local portly purveyor of politics accuses me of changing my views to go with whoever happens to be popular this week, which goes to show you that no good deed will go unpunished.
    I’ll go on doing what I’ve been doing for thirty years, which is pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. If I offend someone for being obvious, too bad.

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  47. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “Volumes of comments taking me to task for one of my usual observations on the state of American politics.”
    LOL. Well, I do see your name mention four times after a cartoon was printed. If that ain’t ‘volumes’, I don’ know what is.
    The observation that Tea Partistas have a mostly shared world view is hardly a new one or particularly remarkable. It’s sort of like a gag that goes:
    [scene, line drawing of Briar Patch]
    Generic looking vegetarian A: I’m looking for the health cookies and health potato chips.
    Generic looking vegetarian clerk: They’re on aisles 2-7
    GLVA: Where’s the deodorant?
    GLVC: We don’t carry it.
    GLVA: I hate George Bush.
    Hang on a minute, I think I’ve found my calling.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Since most every issue involves money how would it be possible Bob not to deal with it when it comes up in the legislative body? Please explain how Planned Parenthood, who receives taxpayers money, is under your view off the table?

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  49. George Rebane Avatar

    Please don’t misunderstand Bob, no offense (in the usual sense of the word) is taken here. This is the usual give and take of your stepping out this way or that with your views. Don’t change a thing that you’re doing.
    And here’s some more. Of course the candidates backed by the various tea parties will do more than “advertized” in its simple principles. Just because the tea party keeps focused on a candidate’s attitude toward those principles does not mean that s/he doesn’t have an agenda to pursue in other areas – I think almost everyone knows that.
    What we have to keep in mind is that the grassroots tea parties like our local Tea Party Patriots do not endorse candidates. We just encourage them to back the TPP principles, then every member makes up his/her own mind on everything the candidate stands for.

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  50. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Bob:
    Take a minute to look up something called “Borderline Personality Disorder”.
    One of the major symptoms of this serious mental illness is the “All or Nothing” approach that “Borderlines” have towards life and particularly their relationships with other people.
    In short, one minute they think the sun rises when you walk into the room. You can do no wrong and they love you beyond life itself. Then on the turn of a dime, they flip and you become the greatest betrayer that has ever lived. They now hate you with unbridled passion.
    Hmmmm….. doesn’t that sound exactly like what happens with the Republican, regressives on a daily basis?
    You may remember when they compared Sue Horne to “Judas” when she backed off on appointing Fran Gratten (Freedle) to be Clerk Recorder. One after another they came to the microphone in the BOS chambers and ripped her with vicious attacks leaving her in tears. (and these were her friends)and flash forward to how they went after Gingrich last week.
    This type of behavior is par for the course when it comes to the regressives as former presidential failure GW Bush famously said: “You’re either with us or against us.”

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