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Sharia Creep – while we’re not paying attention (updated 18may2011)

17 May 2011

George Rebane

One way to deconstruct a nation-state is to have its citizens divided into cohorts each answerable to a different set of laws. The Islamic settlements in Europe are on their way to such a legal construct. Great Britain already has a Sharia dual in its legal system to which Muslims are bound and under which their justice may be dispensed.

Islamic organizations in Australia united under AFIC (Australian Federation of Islamic Councils) are now petitioning the government to do the same. AFIC states that it “strongly supports that multiculturalism should lead to legal pluralism . . . and twin tolerations”. This is perhaps the most blatant demonstration that Islamic societies, as they spread across the world, have no intention to assimilate into their host societies. (more here and here)

On the current path of progressivism in America, we are on course to soon entertain similar appeals on our shores. Strong arguments will be made and explained to the rest of us by the left that the natural maturation of multiculturalism must needs embody a legal pluralism and multiple tolerations specific to who belongs to what group.

As argued before in these pages – societies remain cohesive to the extent that its members can reliably predict each others’ behavior. A common language and a common body of law contribute to such cohesion. Legal pluralism does not.

(H/T to RR reader.)

[18may2011 update] A reader’s email contained this strong exhortation by conservativeactionalerts.com regarding some relevant legislation – HR973 – on Sharia law now before Congress.

Posted in Critical Thinking & Numeracy, Culture Comments, Current Affairs, Our Country, Our World

37 responses to “Sharia Creep – while we’re not paying attention (updated 18may2011)”

Todd Juvinall

18 May 2011

When the liberals started their PC many years ago they claimed our “diversity” was what made America great. The proof of how wrong they were and are is all around us. When a person came here in the past they wanted to become Americans. America had its own distinct culture and we all had the same laws. Now we are inundated with hyphenated Americans and they all want to be top dog (or claim victim-hood for reparations). The education system has enabled the lie to continue. The answer is the return of common sense to our systems and the invigoration of the American culture. That will take a Reagan and even that person would be savaged relentlessly by the leftwingnuts and their media goons. That person will emerge though, we cannot sustain the compassion of denying we are a distinct American culture.

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Bob W

18 May 2011

This perceived trend may not be all bad. I can visualize a group or organization with a common legal construct and form of justice, petitioning the government for their own specific tolerations, that might be attractive. Can anyone else?

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Mike Thornton

18 May 2011

Todd’s new bumpersticker:
Persecuted WASPS of the World Unite!

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Scott Obermuller

18 May 2011

Bob W – are you suggesting we allow different sets of laws to rule different groups of people in this country? How would this be attractive?

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Todd Juvinall

18 May 2011

I think BobW is pulling our leg.
If Sharia Law was in place, the MT’s would be, under their law, off the planet.

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Mike Thornton

18 May 2011

gee, I guess that right wing Republican Christians can get along quite well with a repressive, Muslim regimes, after all!
All it takes is “a fistful of dollars”!!!!
The United Arab Emirates has confirmed hiring a company headed by Erik Prince, the billionaire founder of the military firm Blackwater. According to the New York Times, the UAE secretly signed a $529 million contract with Prince’s new company, Reflex Responses, to put together an 800-member battalion of foreign mercenaries. The troops could be deployed if foreign guest workers stage revolts in labor camps, or if the UAE regime were challenged by pro-democracy protests like those sweeping the Arab world. Prince has one rule about the new force: no Muslims.

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Bob W

18 May 2011

What is good for the goose is———————–

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Mike Thornton

18 May 2011

Hey guys, where’s all (the usual) outrage about a repressive Muslim regime, using foreign mercenaries to put down the democratic impulses of the people?
I’m just asking……
Hey “Pit Bull”, where are ya?

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Todd Juvinall

18 May 2011

So let me get this straight. Al Queda wannabees want to take over Bahrain so the King hires mercenaries to defend his country and you side with the Al Queda’s. Hmm.

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Mike Thornton

18 May 2011

Incredile!

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D. King

19 May 2011

Melting pot Shmelting pot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IkGuRescf8

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D. King

19 May 2011

“The troops could be deployed if foreign guest workers stage revolts in labor camps, or if the UAE regime were challenged by pro-democracy protests like those sweeping the Arab world.”
I lived for two years in the U.A.E. and was impressed with one thing…they love their King. The standard of living there is quite high. Guest workers go to the country for more money and send most of it home. I wouldn’t count on a revolt of any consequence.

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Todd Juvinall

19 May 2011

Blackwater sure knows how to upset the liberals.

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Mike Thornton

19 May 2011

Yea, you’re right, Todd.
Liberals have a thing about drunk and coked up mercenaries killing innocent people on the taxpayers dime. Pesky liberals…

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Dixon Cruickshank

19 May 2011

Mr Thorton – take note – GUEST WORKERS, they have no say at all in who or how that or any country is governed. Not sure why you think they do, and if they start a reveloution it is actually a war started by people from another country or countries. Who is used by a government to repel outside attackers should not be any of your or my business.
As part of this thread is about the Mexicans starting a revelution/war against the the Unites States – again by people that are not citizens maybe – again who have no reason to question who or how the country is governed.

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Mike Thornton

19 May 2011

And you really believe that the government of Bahrain is concerned solely about “guest workers”?
Muslims, Mexicans, what’s the difference, right?

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Todd Juvinall

19 May 2011

Well he is correct about the guest worlkers in Bahrain, so what is your point Thornton? Reminds me of the Palestinians a lot. They are not given citizenship in other Arab states and are rounded up into camps in Jordan and Syria etc. When the Palestinians revolted against Jordan and were put down, many were killed. The left said nothing to Jordan and amazingly trashed Israel! The left is only interested in “their” wars so in my view they have no credibility.

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Mike Thornton

19 May 2011

Todd, I’ve been to one of the worst Palestinian refugee camps (Shatila)in Beirut. I specifically questioned Lebanese officials about why they were doing nothing to help the Palestinians there. I have stated that the Arab states manipulate the Palestinian situation and abuse Palestinian people living within their borders. In fact the President pointed this same thing out in his speech today and he also called out the Bahrain government regarding it’s use of oppression against its own people, not “guest workers”
The fact is that most of the Arab states are run by Sunni Muslims, but have significant Shia populations that have been and continue to be discriminated against.
It is because of this fact that the Shia government in Iran enjoys so much support.
While in Beirut I also met with a leader of Hezbollah and we had a lengthy discussion of these issues as well as Hezbollah’ position regarding Israel

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Todd Juvinall

19 May 2011

OK, so you you met with these Arabs and even the terrorist of Hezbollah. What was the conclusion? My guess, blame Israel. Right? Don’t you think it is kind of amazing the Arabs are the same genetics and races yet it is a religious difference that causes them to murder each other? Sort of like India. Same people yet the have a caste system. If you are in the “rat catching” business, you are at the bottom and can never go higher in their society. America allows everyone to be a success, some are some aren’t. I would say the Arabs are a mess and once they take responsibility for the Palestinians in their own territory then the world may take them seriously about human rights. Also, when they condemn suicide bombers.
The Bahrainian leaders are dealing with immigrants not their own citizens. The “Arab Spring” is only possible f these Arabs stop murdering each other and some of us.

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Mike Thornton

19 May 2011

Todd:
I know you’ll never believe anything I say to you, but in fact “upward mobility” in the US is actually decreasing. And before you say it, you go look it up on your own, because no matter what evidence I show you you’ll just discount it, because that’s what you do!
But nevertheless, I agree with you that the violence is senseless in that it doesn’t get anyone what it is that they sat they want. There are definitely lots of Arabs that blame Israel for everything. There are right wing Christians who blame Blacks, Latinos, Muslims or Liberals for everything as well.
I’ve met Palestinian Muslims who work hand in hand with Israeli Jews to end the bloodshed.
The point is that it’s complicated and you just can’t say All Muslims or All Jews or All Arabs or All right wing Hindus.
This is exactly what the President was saying in his speech today.
For example, you immediately label Hezbollah as “terrorists”, but for many people in Lebanon, they’re “Freedom Fighters” and whether you agree with it or not Israel is indeed occupying Lebanese/Syrian lands. The Hezbollah guys told me that they want Israel out of Lebanon, period. And that they have no desire to fight with them after they leave.
There would be one way to find out if they’re telling the truth and that would be for Israel to withdraw, but they haven’t and they have no intention of doing so.
When you look at what the Israelis are doing, while I think it’s self defeating in the end, it’s understandable. The Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years and they’re sick and tired of it. But remember that a lot of that persecution can at the hands of European Christians. It wasn’t the Arabs that perpetrated the Holocaust and the Jewish State of Israel was born out of terrorism and murder perpetrated by Jews against Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian.
It’s (in part) for this reason why Ahmadinejad raise the controversial question of; “If Israel needs to exist because of the persecution of the Jews during the Holocaust, why weren’t the European Jewish refugees given part of Germany? And while the current State of Israel isn’t going anywhere, it is an interesting question.
Remember too, that this stuff happened (for the most part) during our lifetimes, it’s not ancient history.
Anyway, I think that Obama spelled it all out pretty well today. I hope that we start approaching this in an intelligent way,

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Todd Juvinall

19 May 2011

WE?It is interesting you spoke with Hezzbollah and bought their line. They bomb and murder regardless so until they and their brethren withdraw their position of the destruction of the Jewish State, how can you believe anything they say? Also, Obama didn’t do anything but throw Israel under the bus. Return to 1967 borders? The land was won by blood. Going from a 45 mile thick country to 8 is not tenable. Obama is just another politician playing both sides against the middle. He didn’t even consult with Israel before this new policy went public. Most liberals take sides with the Palestinians and usually have nothing but derision for Israel. I have read your posts and I see that bias. Little old Israel, a 7,992 sq mile country (445 in water) surrounded by a couple million square miles of people who want to erase them. Sorry but I support Israel unequivocally.

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Mike Thornton

19 May 2011

And “Pit Bull” remains true to form.

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Dixon Cruickshank

19 May 2011

Mr Thornten, I have no idea how to peg you since all these revelations about meeting the Hezbolah and such – other than a crackpot who backs the most murderous groups in the world and says he likes them???
Not sure where anarchy and civil war became a preferred system of Government anywhere, and yet you have advocated it in at least 4 countries by individuals that are not even citizens of that country.
I will not read another of your 5000 word disertations BTW but will say I do think you should get your ass back to Lebenon or Gaza they need you more than we do.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

I don’t care what you read or don’t read, Dixon.
The point I was trying to make is that the situation in the Middle East is complicated and there are a lot of different ways to view it. I don’t believe I said that I “like” Hezbollah, I’m pretty sure what I said was that there are many people in Lebanon, who view Hezbollah as freedom fighters and people who actually work to deliver social services.
I was interviewed on Beirut TV with the Hezbollah military commander for Southern Lebanon and one of the reporters asked me if I “thought the Sheik was a terrorist?” My response was “I can’t say, because I’ve only known him for 30 minutes.”
What I’m pretty sure of is that he doesn’t see himself as a “terrorist” and as I said lots of other Lebanese don’t see him as a terrorist either.
I certainly don’t understand where you get the idea that I think “civil war is a preferred form of government”? It sort of sounds to me that maybe what you’re saying is that using force and oppression to keep people in line is OK with you, as long as you support the oppressor.
I would argue that the people we really need to get rid of are the folks “Who claim to love America, while so clearly hating Americans.”

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Todd Juvinall

20 May 2011

Lebanon was a wonderful place for many decades until it was torn apart by civil war and the intrusion of Syria and the terrorists. I remember when America tried to help and the Palestinian blew up 241 of our boys. I then see out of the ashes of the civil war a Iranian funded terrorist organization called Hezbollah. They hold say over many parts of Lebanon because they are not afraid to use violence as well as carrots. When someone “visits” with America’s enemies and then tells us how those people are misunderstood, I have a stinkometer hit the top. If a person also talks with the Hezbollah enemy, Israel in this case I would give a bit of credence to the views of that person. But since that apparently is not the case, all many of us see is a just another run of the mill anti-semite, nothing more.

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Steven Frisch

20 May 2011

Do some readers have ADHD or something? If we wanted to read cartoons we would be on Myspace.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

OK, Todd. I know I can’t say what I really want to say to you, so I’ll just say that your ignorance apparently knows absolutely no bounds.
You are simply “Pit Bull” and there is clearly no point in trying to have any type of actual debate with you.
But just so you know, I also sat with three young Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint near a small Palestinian town and we talked about how they were sick of the violence, but felt like they needed to do what they were doing to protect themselves and their fellow Israelis from Palestinian terrorists. They were decent young kids and they believed in what they were doing as well.
The most interesting thing is that they actually live in Israel and have to deal with this stuff everyday and they were a lot less self righteous about it than you are.
I talked with a former Israeli soldier who had a daughter blown up on a bus in Tel Aviv by a suicide bomber. He now works with Palestinians, who have also had family members killed by Israelis, in order to end the violence and the occupation, because he’s sick of all the killing and a war that never ends. Guess what? He’s a lot less self righteous about this then you are as well.
I talked with Jewish social service workers who told me that the occupation is destroying Israeli society and that it’s the leaders in both the Israeli government and the Palestinian government that keep the blood flowing.
So, I’ll take the word of the people who live there over your self righteous and ignorant BS any day of the week.

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Dixon Cruickshank

20 May 2011

Mr thorton – maybe you could give us a little inside perspective on the results of Israel pulling out of southern Lebenon a few years ago and how that has worked out for them.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

They haven’t pulled out of Lebanon and still hold Lebanese territory (though there is some dispute over whether it’s actually Lebanese or Syrian) They simply retreated after the (latest)brief war with Hezbollah.
Let me ask you a question. When is the last time that you have heard of Hezbollah attacking Israel? This is an honest questions since I haven’t been paying that much attention lately.
It sounds like, however that the IDF shot a bunch of unarmed demonstrators and as far as I know Hezbollah hasn’t acted or reacted in any type of military way.

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Todd Juvinall

20 May 2011

Wow, the ignorance of your comments are breathtaking Thornton. I have concluded you presence here is strictly for leftwing propaganda purposes and is mostly bunk. You and Frisch recall Beirut ever being called the Paris of the Mediterranean? Prob ab[y not. Your apparently not even listening to today’s press conference by Obama/Bibi. H Bibi is the guy responsible for all those Israeli’s. He agrees with me and he lives there. I say you lefties are simply anti-Semites and hate the Jews. All your screeds here prove I am correct. As for being a pit bull, thanks for the compliment. I do fight hard for the things I believe in. The left is going the way of the dodo bird and you two are the reasons why.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

Gee, Todd, I didn’t know you were on such intimate terms with “Bibi”.
Do you also know that responsible members and former members of the Israeli government are publicly calling for “Bibi” to get moving on working on a peace deal with the Palestinians and to stop playing to his right wing base?
I suppose they’re just “self hating Jews”, right?
“Pit Bull” means “All Bark, No Brains!”

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Todd Juvinall

20 May 2011

Your pit bull description is a good one for you. especially the “no brains” part. I am much more intelligent than you and it pains me to have to defeat your ideas so often. Oh well.
The Israeli’s will b overrun and destroyed but only after taking out a few million Arabs when they decide to attack Israel. This will be of course a terrible thing for the planet but you anti Semites will eventually get your way, whatever that is. For now and into the future, I remain a supporter of that little itty bitty nation surrounded by a billion Muslims.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

So you’re saying that my motivation for saying what I’ve said is that I hate Jews?

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Todd Juvinall

20 May 2011

Now you are showing some smarts. Yep.

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

[expletive deleted]

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Mike Thornton

20 May 2011

“We must give up Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem and return to the core of the territory that is the State of Israel prior to 1967, with minor corrections dictated by the reality created since then,”—Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, 2008

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Todd Juvinall

20 May 2011

Yeah, so what is your point? That there are other opinions? Oh, and thanks for proving my points about you liberals. When we tell the truth about you you revert to form. What a hoot.

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