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George Rebane

Is the Great Divide already under way?  RR readers are familiar with the Great Divide discussion in these pages (RR search ‘great divide’).  The basis for the idea of a structural change in these United States is an old one, one that is provided for by our Constitution, and one that was in lively national discussion even before The War for Southern Independence (aka The Civil War).  Today the debate has again become compelling due to the seemingly irreconcilable polarization between the factions of the Left and those of the Right.

BoeingNLRB One ‘solution’, to the indisputable fact that both sides live in their own universe, is a peaceful separation of the two cohorts into a confederated assembly of the current states.  One that would enable open practice of limited government, Founders’ constitutionality, fiscal prudence, and free markets.  The other would continue the current collectivist path to socialism and whatever may follow that folly.  The actual division of territories is among the several problems that need a good-faith dialogue to solve peaceably.

Another and perhaps more serious problem is the asymmetry with which both sides view the Great Divide.  The people on the Right see themselves in a growing bondage of restraints, constraints, unlimited taxation, and loss of liberties.  Their general response is ‘let us go our own way.’  The Left’s general response is ‘oh no you don’t!’, the direct implication being that they would then very quickly run out of OPM, the fuel that always powers progressivism.

But for completeness, I have to add that there are a few progressives who firmly believe that their social order does not need money from other people; they can generate the necessary wealth themselves.  In fact, some of them even claim that it is the Left that is generating the country’s wealth and dragging along the worthless Right.  (Such progressives should be complemented for their keen insight, and the conversation taken to the next stage of how the Great Divide can remove from them the burden of having to carry the Right.)

A useful path toward the Great Divide is the re-establishment of states’ rights.  Removing such constitutional rights from the states has been a proto-progressive passion at least from the time of Lincoln.  Many recognize that the expansion of the Interstate Commerce Act (1887) and central banking (Federal Reserve 1913) have been the prime tools for reducing states to administrative districts of a strong federal government.

Today a last bastion of states’ rights is how they divide themselves into ‘right to work’ and ‘forced union’ states.  For all intents and purposes this already is a step toward the Great Divide, with the proviso that, if properly handled, such a divide may not even be necessary.  But here’s the rub.  The Left is lying to all ignorant enough to believe them that not forcing workers to join unions is actually denying workers their rights.  This twisted logic is one of the insane pillars upon which collectivism proudly stands.


By every measure available, states that allow workers to freely join unions (or not) have out-performed those whose governments use the gun to force union membership.  For that reason companies like Boeing have been actively migrating the growth parts of their business to states where workers are free to choose.  And the unions, correctly sensing a seminal danger to their survival, are pulling out all the stops and paying the right politicians and bureaucrats to bring the full force of government to stop such dangerous actions by America’s corporations.  Laffer and Moore detail these goings on in the 13may11 WSJ (‘Boeing and the Union Berlin Wall’) from where the nearby graphic is purloined.

The hope here is that most Americans have yet to join the ranks of the entitled sheeple, and will see that such union tactics benefit neither them nor the nation.  In the interval Obama’s administration and the Democrats are throwing the National Labor Relations Board into the breach to tell Boeing where it can and cannot build its airplanes.  This is a first, and would mark a giant step forward in the socialization of America.  And, of course, it further motivates those of us on the Right to permanently shed the looney tunes and merrie melodies of the Left.

My feeling is that this is just the beginning of such debates as the Right-leaning states begin to flex their atrophied muscles.  What will power the division is the fiscal hurricane that will soon sweep the land.  Citing an avalanche of references, Mauldin and Tepper (Endgame) point out that we are past the tipping point.  Most of the world’s governments are in terrible fiscal shape and have only “bad and worse choices” consisting of inflate, default, or devalue (a form of inflation).   These governments, including the US, “simply lack the ability to fulfill” their debt, entitlement, and pension obligations.

Having passed the tipping point, the only unknown is how we will hit bottom.  Will it be a repeat of Weimar 1923, Brazil 1999, Argentina 2001, Iceland 2008, or something more draconian that involves restructuring the government or the nation itself?  The known part is that both the Right and the Left will do all they can to convince Americans that it was the other side that caused all the damage, and that fundamental changes to governance must be made if we are to avert a similar disaster.  And depending on the extent of the damage, one of those changes might well be a form of The Great Divide.

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458 responses to “An Eerie Feeling re the Great Divide”

  1. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “Thanks for the link by the way.”
    Honestly, I’m not trying to make some point about CO2, global warming, etc. All sides of the CO2 argument seem to have predetermined outcomes, especially the lay members.
    My own personal feeling is that the future fossil record will easily show the effects of humanity on the planet. The die-off will be obvious and from numerous causes.
    The main idea is to give people some notion about the amounts of energy currently needed, their sources, the likely increase in need, and the real value of alternatives.
    There’s way too much handwaving that goes on about hydrogen, switch grass, wind farms, and solar panels. People that feel strongly about this, especially those who want to take money from one group and give to another, need to do the simple math on the value of various approaches to energy production.
    In the final analysis, humans will absolutely not spend the money to change their habits in CO2 production. We’ll burn every last ounce of coal, oil, and natgas over time. Whether this has dire effects or not (and just what dire effects) remains to be seen over time, but I don’t see any chance in hell that significant reductions will occur.

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  2. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    In the final analysis, humans will absolutely not spend the money to change their habits in CO2 production. We’ll burn every last ounce of coal, oil, and natgas over time. Whether this has dire effects or not (and just what dire effects) remains to be seen over time, but I don’t see any chance in hell that significant reductions will occur.
    You’re scaring me.
    As Goodknight has pointed out on several occasions there are people working on this.
    Our money would be better spent funding their research than following Spain’s disastrous path. If you watched the video you linked to you would know the presented “alternatives” will not get you there. My belief is that draconian cuts in energy now, will only slow progress towards new and cleaner energy technologies. The ban the bulb crew are a perfect example of the mentality of the people we are being forced to deal with. The light bulb came out of Edison’s lab, not the misfiring neurons in a bureaucrats mind.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Pretty dark picture wmartin. A bear doesn’t crap in his own backyard but it appears humans do.

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  4. George Rebane Avatar

    “Tradition is the living faith of dead people. Traditionalism is the dead faith of living people.”
    That little piece of state promulgated ‘wisdom’ was also prominent in Leninist Russia as it was becoming the USSR after the Bolshevik revolution.
    There is not doubt that tradition can and often does become hidebound and calcifies a culture (e.g. traditional forms of Islam). But in maintaining cultures, tradition is a strong unifying force, and makes the communication of many useful types of information efficient thereby increasing productivity.
    In such paradigms of adhering to the past, there is always the problem of proper balance – what should be the rate of introduced novelty that supports useful evolution without destroying what is being evolved.

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  5. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Wow, George.
    I think you need to get over your obsession with Islam and the USSR.
    There are many things in the world that have noting to do with either of them!
    I’m pretty sure that the meaning of the quote is that “Tradition” is a good thing and being locked into it, is not.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeT, I cannot come near to pulling out your perceived meaning of the quote. To me it is an unequivocal statement that things traditional are bad. Please explain.
    Re my “obsession with Islam and the USSR”. These are two of the prime geo-political realities of our age – one existential and the other experiential. A major theme of RR is that we ignore these realities, their lessons and portents, at our peril. That notion is corroborated by the way that these realities are purposely (not) treated by our progressive educational system. In the large, our youth have no “need to get over” any of this because they know nothing of it.

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  7. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I’m not sure how you interpret “Living faith” passed on from generation to generation as being a negative?
    The USSR and Islam thing smacks of the continuation of an Orwellian 1984 effort to have a perpetual enemy in order to maintain fear and therefor allegiance to whatever entity claims that it will protect the fearful from the perpetual enemy.
    While in general I agree, that having multiple systems of law is a bad thing, the fact is that when it comes to the issue of Sharia law being recognized in non-Muslim countries, it is really only being allowed to address, family (type) legal situations. I have mixed feelings about this and so I’m not saying; “Yea, Go Sharia!”, but I think it’s fair to say that much of our family (type) law is based in the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and not Islamic tradition. My guess is that your argument goes along the lines that that Islamic tradition is inherently inferior or at best has no place in traditionally non-Muslim lands?
    I would argue that all of these laws be removed from any and all religious doctrines. Frankly the raising of “Sharia” as a threat seems as nothing more than another wedge issue to distract from what we really need to be dealing with!

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  8. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “A bear doesn’t crap in his own backyard but it appears humans do.”
    If that’s your opinion regarding CO2, I suggest you run to the nearest toilet whenever you need to exhale.
    Wordwide, fossil fuels will be used until alternatives exist that can deliver usable energy at similar costs. The last drop of petroleum will never be burned as that last drop will eventually become as expensive as current coal to liquid conversion fuel; the last bit of coal will not be burned because, even if current solar efficiency isn’t improved, solar will eventually be less expensive than coal fired electrical generation.
    If you want an alternative fuel sooner or later that will satisfy the desire for inexpensive clean power and the chicken littles worried about CO2, pray to the deity of your choice that the Rossi E-Cat is real and not a fantasy.
    http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece

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  9. George Rebane Avatar

    ‘Living faith’ is the direct object of ‘Tradition’ that the statement attributes to the belief system of a bygone and defunct population. The sequel reinforces the point for the present generation.
    The second part of your comment more properly belongs to my 17may11 post ‘Sharia Creep …’. But that you assign the continued interest in and comparisons to USSR and Islam to be a “continuation of an Orwellian 1984 effort” highlights and corroborates the arguments for a Great Divide. For my ‘half’ of Americans, such an attribution would be viewed as another leftwing exhortation to “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”

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  10. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George of course you are absolutely correct and those that don’t remember the past are gonna do it again or something like that. The liberals are so upset that we don’t want our country to become a bunch of little “old countries” filled with their traditions so I am kinda confused about the position of the new poster from the left. If tradition is so bad, why do those on the left travel all over the world to study and emulate them. Those Amazon tribes or the aboriginal people here in our hemisphere? It is evident the Orwellian left wants us to forget the traditions and the past but only for the things they choose. You have cleaned the leftwinger’s clock.

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  11. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Frankly, it is amazing, how you seem to take everything and anything that is said and twist it to come around to your own preconceived conclusions.
    (A) I’ve drawn a very clear line between: Tradition (which, in general, I think is a good thing) and Traditionalism, which, in general, I view as refusing to deviate from what was done in the past, simply because that was what was done in the past.
    Additionally, the all or nothing view that you seem to put forth, George, is hardly befitting of someone with your level of intelligence. How you get “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” from questioning the political/power motives behind xenophobia, is quite a stretch.
    And before I close, Todd, let me give you a piece of advice (or maybe two) One is that George likely doesn’t need you kissing his ring and cheering him on, in order to feel confident about what he believes and being able to state it.
    Two, Leave the important discussions to the grownups!

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  12. George Rebane Avatar

    MikeT – Upon a reread, I still can’t see your “clear line”, however, if it is there for others, I salute it. I’ve not heard your definition of ‘traditionalism’ before, but now that you have given it, we all will understand your use of the word.
    Frankly, you lost me in the “all or nothing” argument. My use of the ‘Wizard of Oz’ bagatelle was an apparently failed shortcut to the proposition that modern liberal education eliminates, at best de-emphasizes, the obvious lessons of history. BTW, was there a (B) to your (A)?
    (I feel your comments about Todd are unwarranted, he did not attack you but, instead, took issue with your ideas. To express agreement with someone is a common shortcut to reinforcing but not having to restate the case already made. Todd is a strong person who doesn’t have to kiss anyone’s ring or other parts, least of all mine. But everyone takes comfort in a broader consensus for their ideas – I suspect that even you take pleasure in it. Finally, we are all “grownups” on RR – I try to filter out the lesser lights. Both of you are men with well formed ideologies who can explicate and defend them to the readers’ profit without taking a shot in the shorts now and then.)

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  13. Mike Thornton Avatar

    George, Todd has been attacking me, since I started posting here.
    As you well know, he engages in slander and innuendo and libel on a daily basis with anyone he feels like spewing it upon.
    Please don’t insult my intelligence by pretending that isn’t true.

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  14. George Rebane Avatar

    No insult intended MikeT. Yes, Todd has taken his own gratuitous shots, as he has readily admitted. I’m not sure of the “slander and innuendo and libel” (Oh my!).
    Our discussions are heated and correctly so; I’m just trying to keep them focused on ideas and the socio-political classes that hold/oppose them, and appreciate help from all sides in not tying names to derogatory appellations in these comments.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George it is my view that liberals never accept responsibility for anything. All ills they experience are caused by someone else. I go after leftwingers simply because I have grown weary of their hypocrisy on issues. I point that out and they cry a river they are being personally attacked. I will continue to debate them even if they do try and guilt our compatriots into censorship.

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  16. Mike Thornton Avatar

    George, you’re being intellectually dishonest and you know it!
    Todd, I’ll debate you on any issue, anywhere, anytime, under any conditions.
    You are just about the biggest, whining, crybaby, I’ve ever heard in my entire life!

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George
    “he did not attack you but, instead, took issue with your ideas.”
    I think you’re way off track here in supporting Todd. He has called individual people idiots, stupid, made references to their weight, possible arrest records, employment, spiritual preferences, on and on. If you like i can provide a list of examples but any reader of this script knows what I’m talking about. The main problem I have with this is that he does it with no creativity or entertainment value. He once jumped all over me for referring to both Bushes as “scrubs.” At least that was kinda funny.
    By the way, Todd is not the only offender of what should be an adult protocol. Here’s a very simple example from my perspective. It’s ok to say “that’s an idiotic idea” but not “you are an idiot.” that’s basic 3rd grade playground etiquette.

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  18. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Teacher, teacher, Todd said a bad word!

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Look out George, they are after you. LOL

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  20. J Cutter Avatar
    J Cutter

    I’d like to believe that Todd is just intellectually dishonest, but I’m afraid he can no longer be afforded that benefit.
    I contend, until proven otherwise, that Todd’s behavior and influence was THE major impetus for the Union’s suspension of the Comments section. There were many of us that rallied to counter his assaults, and his response was to heighten attacks and try to play the good ‘ol boy card (which has passed its prime, btw).
    George, I vehemently disagree with many of your positions, but respectfully acquiesce to your perceived intelligence, and otherwise appreciate your efforts to provide a forum for discussion. If you can keep a hold of some of these destructive behaviors, we may have an opportunity to actually discuss & debate important issues of our time; and encourage more of my type to participate.

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  21. George Rebane Avatar

    With all my sins of commission and omission, could we, perhaps, proceed from here on the basis that sunk costs don’t count. Else we will forever be dredging up the deep roots of vengeance.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/05/sunk-costs-dont-count.html

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  22. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    George, I don’t think you have to worry about “them” going after you, You are more than capable of defending your opinions without resorting to trash talk about individuals.
    Here’s a previous posting I ran about the difficulties of responding in kind to personal attacks.
    “Todd
    I don’t believe I’ve called you any names. I can’t call you an idiot because I don’t think you were born stupid. Fool won’t work because to be a fool means, in a classical use of the word, that you have some entertainment value. I think I’ll call you a Legend. Todd Juvinall, a legend in his own mind.”

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  23. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George, I read your link and it is truly correct. As you can see from Cutter, even though I was not a poster on the Union, he blames me for shutting down their comment section. I did read the comments and the left there was a they are here. Not very nice. I have tried to discuss the issues with them over my political life and have concluded that they are simply unable to proceed without name-calling and getting personal. These folks have run so many police reports and IRS complaints against me it would make your head spin. Of course I was never arrested and I did always pay my taxes to the IRS, but that never matters to them. The truth is, I do represent a point of view which though it may be a bit tough to a liberal, is still valid to me me and many other Americans. I may not have the book learning and a way with complex words but I have common sense and know a liberal ropa-dope tactics when I see it. I appreciate your being able to say the complex words and maybe someday I might be able too as well. For now though, just as Americans must face the pressures against us from other parts of the planet, we conservatives need to stick up for our beliefs here domestically. The Cutters of the world are are simply unable to debate us so they want to shut us up. I just watched (listened since he was on the phone) to Mark Levin on Cavuto and I must say, he is way more in the face of liberals than even I am. He is a treasure of Constitutional knowledge and his recommendation is simple. Don’t let the left call the plays. We call the plays now and we are taking back America from them.

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  24. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul, if you think your post does not fall into your own whine about namecalling then what is it? Amazing.

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  25. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    I was only pointing out the difficulties of responding in kind if I chose to do so.

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  26. Mike Thornton Avatar

    Hey, I’m sorry, for being so naive.
    I finally understand that what we actually have here is a WWE style “Tag Team”
    Todd in the ravenous “Pit Bull”, that snarls, snaps and spews regardless of the situation or conditions. His (silent) partner is George “The Brain” Rebane, who positions himself as “The Cerebral One”, walking around the ring with a book and a briefcase. In reality though he’s simply “Pit Bull’s” handler and “Excuser in Chief”

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  27. wmartin Avatar
    wmartin

    “If you watched the video you linked to you would know the presented “alternatives” will not get you there. My belief is that draconian cuts in energy now, will only slow progress towards new and cleaner energy technologies. ”
    Aside from the obvious truth that the speaker in the video is fishing for research funds a bit, and the other truth that EROI is what matters as various energy sources jockey for sales, my central point is that regardless of how people feel about CO2 emissions, nothing will be done about it.
    It’s simply too expensive. And since money is a good approximation to energy, there’s a decent bet that alternative sources aren’t net energy producers in most cases.
    So, what do you do about it? Well, you argue.
    The climate scientists ask for more research money, the amateur climate scientists choose sides, political activists prattle on about the hydrogen-based-renewable-solar-algae-wind facilities that someone else needs to build, someone will buy a Prius and feel good about their 50 mile commute.
    In the meantime, the world will dig up hydrocarbons and burn them. Aramco, Gazprom, Peabody, and whatever passes for a Chinese national coal company will sell to whoever passes by. Economic reality will trump anyone’s political or ecological thinking.
    It’s the Greatest Show on Earth. Grab a comfy chair and watch the parade.

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  28. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    It’s the Greatest Show on Earth. Grab a comfy chair and watch the parade.
    LOL!
    Well, some people are working on it, so we should take the money from the folks studying climate change and put it with the folks doing energy research. After all, anyone can point out a problem, but it takes real scientists and real engineers to solve them. Right?

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  29. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    wmartin
    Unfortunately your assessment may well be true. However, it doesn’t stop us from trying at least to be educated and pursuing some action. I feel it is our moral and spiritual responsibility to work towards a healthy earth. Again, I am reminded that “Men come and go but earth abides”.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Men are so arrogant. It has been here a long time and will be here a long time after we are gone.

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  31. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Are you saying Todd that the world will be here in some form despite what we do to it or our survival here so why bother to even try to make things livable for future generations?

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Not at all. What are you saying?

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  33. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    What is not getting conveyed here George?

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  34. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Unfortunately your assessment may well be true. However, it doesn’t stop us from trying at least to be educated and pursuing some action.”
    Be educated, and have the courage to do nothing. I know, it’s scary, and doing something is often comforting, but all of the ‘somethings’ to date are worse than nothing.

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  35. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Let’s start with what you mean by this. I did the best I could to sort it out.
    “Men are so arrogant. It has been here a long time and will be here a long time after we are gone.”
    Greg
    I’m often intrigued by your viewpoint but this is beyond cynical. The pioneers in the Civil Rights movement for example must have been overwhelmed by the task at hand but hung in there and things got better. To say that environmental efforts have yielded no positive results is just not true. Look in the improvements in clean air due to regulations and education.

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  36. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    “Greg
    I’m often intrigued by your viewpoint but this is beyond cynical. ”
    Paul, I didn’t write what you’re picking on. Get a clue.

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  37. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Greg
    What did you mean when you said
    “Be educated, and have the courage to do nothing….all of the ‘somethings’ to date are worse than nothing.”

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  38. George Rebane Avatar

    Since in the policy decision graph all paths go through ‘invest money in more energy research’, we should cut to the chase and do that immediately. And doing that would require government involvement in both direct funding (of their own research labs) and promoting the private sector through regulatory rollbacks and tax reductions. This would set up a competition a la the decoding of the human genome.
    I would not be in favor of another round of complex subsidies to motivate private research. Making markets that reward success in the pursuit of new alternatives is more than enough to motivate the greedy capitalist (of whom I am one).

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  39. Mike Thornton Avatar

    I hope what George is saying is that energy research and development is of such national (and international) importance that the ability of the greedy capitalists to make money (which usually is the first consideration) in this case is way down the ladder of concerns.
    Therefor this is exactly the type of task that a publicly funded entity, with the infrastructure to do the job, should be taking on and doing so PDQ!
    Amazingly this is exactly what the “Manchurian Muslim” has been saying pretty much all along.
    The only thing I would add, is that this time rather than giving away the store after the taxpayers have paid all the bills, lets make sure that this actually winds up creating, cleaner and more affordable energy for the working people of the country and not just another profit node for BP!

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  40. J Cutter Avatar
    J Cutter

    George – would you further expand upon your point that we are in need of private sector stimulation via ‘regulatory rollbacks and tax reductions’?
    Please identify which regulations you see as impeding your success (as a self proclaimed ‘greedy capitalist’) –
    and, if you would, explain how research done by ‘wildcat’-type labs (those non global & on spec), posting little or no taxable income in that phase, are impeded by the currently imposed tax burden.
    Because we all know that once a certain size is attained, the corporations are masterful at beating down tax through at least the State collection system. Beyond the obvious examples of Big Oil and Tech/Appliance, a fine example is Roche, who swallowed Genentech, contributes virtually nothing in even Federal revenue, and still laid off thousands post Prop 24 – so it seems we see little benefit by struggling to retain these types and further subsidizing/promoting their R&D.
    thanks

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  41. Ben Emery Avatar

    I have read through most of this thread and have come to realize the super elites have done exactly what they set out to do, divide average working Americans against each other. Amazing.
    Here is what a Robber Baron/ Industrialist/ Capitalist/ Economic Royalist once said after breaking up a workers strike.
    “I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half.”

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  42. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Paul E, you attributed a statement from Todd J to me. Please retract this.
    Regarding what I meant, it should be obvious. CO2 is not a problem, and the machinations to wean California, the US and the world away from fossil fuels prematurely are both harmful and doomed to failure. Having the courage to do nothing is better.
    One simple and obvious example is the malnourished poor in Latin America who have substituted cheap starches with empty calories for the corn, whose proteins are complemented by those in beans, that used to be cheap and plentiful, before the mandating of corn ethanol in motor fuels.
    What about it, Paul? Is this misguided energy policy worth the cost as measured in misery?

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  43. HHall Avatar
    HHall

    Just one question for the “free marketeers” here: how do you propose to handle ‘the tragedy of the commons’?

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  44. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Just what does HHall think the tragedy will be?

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  45. HHall Avatar
    HHall

    Just one question for the “free marketeers” here. How will you handle the tragedy of the commons?

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  46. Free Marketer Avatar
    Free Marketer

    How about Innovation, supply and demand, self interest based values.
    How will the collectivists pay for all their entitlements without any tax paying producers?

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  47. Mike Thornton Avatar

    That’s easy!
    They don’t believe in the commons.

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  48. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Please, ‘HHall’ an actual statement as to the ‘tragedy’ you think is impending.
    Thornton, you’re turning RR into what The Union blog had devolved into.

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  49. HHall Avatar
    HHall

    What will the tragedy be? Did you study economics, ever? Look it up. There is only one tragedy of the commons. It is why we have regulations, to ensure a common playing field for business/owners, and to ensure equal access to public resources without destroying it for the coming generations. Very American concepts.

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