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George Rebane

McClintock110322 About 170 of us gathered in the theater of Colfax High School last night for a townhall with Congressman Tom McClintock.  The Congressman started the evening with a PowerPoint detailing the fiscal crisis the country will experience “within five years” unless a radically different course is taken starting now.  There is no more time.

He went through all the arguments, pie and bar charts familiar to RR readers.  The numbers remain astronomical and the crowd seemed to be up on the consequences of the Dems’ continuing to identify $2B weekly spending cuts as being “heartless”.   Looking at the coming decade of a trillion plus annual deficits that are growing weekly as people study the ramifications of Obamacare, a more reasonable spending cut rate would be somewhere in the $10-20B/wk level.

Jo Ann and I drove to hear Congressman Tom clear up his vote for last week’s continuing resolution (CR) that maintained the insignificant $2B/wk spending cut rate.  According to the congressman’s arithmetic, this would balance the constant dollar federal budgets in about 15 years.  And then came a point of clarification which corrects the misapprehension that many of us (me included) have had about the meaning of these spending cuts.

The confusion arose when the news reported that these cuts would continue at this rate until 30 September, the end of this fiscal year.  This implied that the spending cuts were only for either this fiscal year or the next.  Wrong concept.  What all the celebration is about in conservative quarters is that these cuts would be in perpetuum – that is, they are permanent and would form the reduced baseline for all succeeding budgets.  OK, **IF** that were to come to pass, then yes, one can argue that would finally balance the federal budget sometime around 2026.  But, of course, not only would Congress have to maintain that discipline in spending, there are a whole slew of other dependers that would have to all fall in line also.  What are the chances of that?


Congressman Tom’s firm answer is that Congress has to do that because there is no other responsible choice available.  Massive cuts have to be made, and made quickly.  Tom voted for the CR last week because he wanted give Speaker Boehner some “maneuvering room” when the Republican House leadership negotiates with the Democrats and the administration in the interval leading up to the rapidly approaching federal debt limit.  The implication being that it is then that the rubber hits the road, and the Republicans will draw the “red line” on spending cuts which will put the country on a sustainable spending path.

Well, that’s not exactly what was said, but it seemed that the Republicans sure hope that this would come to pass.  The congressman outlined no strategy or plan to get this accomplished, and I got the impression that one does not yet exist.  However Tom did recount how in 1946 President Truman succeeded in cutting the federal budget in half and fired half the government workforce.  The history buffs in the audience were reminded that this slashing was largely due to the expected demobilization after WW2 ended – but the intended takeaway was that Truman’s actions were an example of the art of the possible.

For me that didn’t go down as smoothly as I had hoped.  Truman managed these cuts because it was politically palatable – for example, he didn’t have to sell too hard the notion of letting Johnny go marching home – the economy was ready to expand massively since we were the one and only industrial power left standing in a destroyed world that needed what only we could make to rebuild it.  And the country was of one mind to now all pitch in and make the world safe for democracy with America in the undisputed lead.  Our debt was huge, but we owed it to ourselves and not to foreigners – it was totally manageable since entitlements were still miniscule.

Today we live in a different world.  The numbers are astronomical and all against us.  Foreign governments are our creditors and are hell bent on making everything we could ever make and then some.  Technology is outdating our workforce that has the double burden of having to compete with cheap overseas labor, while paying for the fattest government ever that overflows with unionized public service employees enjoying outstanding compensation packages.  And they consider it their God given right to retain what they have and add to it until the last private sector worker is left standing.

Nevertheless Congressman McClintock still sees America’s best years ahead, after we go through some tough times.  But no one in Washington wants to talk about the real numbers.  That is left for private sector commentators and bloggers like yours truly.  No one in government can put together a plan forward with believable interest and GDP growth rates that shows how we will come in for a soft landing.  It’s not a complex graph to show the people; just a few lines arcing this way and that over the coming years that show deficits going to zero, and national debt (including unfunded liabilities like SS) returning to a reasonable fraction of GDP.

I don’t see anyone putting up such a graph any time soon.  The real answer that cannot be voiced by an elected official is that our deficits will be monetized away (with newly printed dollars) along with all of our savings.  (see Bill Mauldin’s Endgame)  And if that catharsis is managed correctly, the country will emerge chastened and, hopefully, not fundamentally transformed to seek a brighter day.

However, at least a quarter of us, and maybe many more, are working as hard as they can to make sure that America is fundamentally transformed in the coming fiscal bloodbath.  Those people, with whom ol’ Harry in 1946 didn’t have to contend, are today already busy as beavers making sure that America’s future will be as a weakened, reformed, and compliant peer in the new global world order that has been the dream since the Manifesto.  Revelation of their plans and progress on this path emerge daily (e.g. google ‘SEIU Stephen Lerner Plans to Destabilize Capitalism’ – thanks to John Galt for link.).

[update]  I received a copy of Congressman McClintock’s PowerPoint presentation from his office, and with permission make it available here Download ChoiceOfTwoFutures.

[24mar2011 update]  The congressman also brought up an aside from the budget issues on Libya.  He said he was concerned with the way we had entered that new fray, and had drafted a letter to the President about it.  McClintock’s District Director Rocky Deal happened to have a copy of it on his Blackberry which Tom then read to us.  This is the letter that went to the White House.

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63 responses to “Congressman McClintock in Colfax (updated 24mar2011)”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    Thanks for the report George, it encouraging to see the audience numbers are still staying up. Were there a large number Tea Party Patriot red shirts.
    Will the Power Point be available for public review? How did we all become confused about the duration of the cuts? Was this another failure of the government to communicate, or was it a failure of the press to inform us of the true impact. Or, could it be that Tom is confused? There seems to be some clarity missing in his message, and some reality missing from his analysis of our future. Hand waving, does not change the numbers, we need a plan and political leaders with the testicles to follow the plan.

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The American dream is under attack by the people that want something for nothing and we have a lot of them. Unless we return our nations attitude to one of having to work for what you get, even if it is a small thing, we are doomed. Rome fell over time because the number of non-doers outnumbered the doers and soon outside forces took them out. I see similarities here. The elephant in the room for me though is government regulations. These have sapped our country of initiative. Every business has to have a HR and an OSHA or COMP division and there are so many rules, each of which cost money, that any smart person trying to start out is discouraged. We don’t need to fundamentally change our country, all we need to do is chop and slash government tax policy and regulatory tyranny. Don’t spend more than we bring in. Take back the power given to bureaucrats and return it to the people. Localize.

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  3. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    George,
    Maybe I don’t get and if so perhaps you can straighten me out. Is Tom saying that Bachman, King and the other “Tea Party” representatives are all wrong about the $105b of mandated Obama Care implementation funding in the last CR? Or is Tom joining the establishment? I appreciate a more straight forward analysis without all the double speak. Seems as though every time it is simple and to the point it just happens to reflect reality much closer.
    OK so let me have it. I’m waiting.

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  4. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd Juvinall just staked out some hard lines and standards he says we need to follow. Ok, so it’s fair to see how Todd’s own stated standards line up with his own actions.
    Accountability and responsibility of ones own decisions and actions? Sounds good, but let’s apply them to all regardless of political party. Isn’t that fair?
    What about bailouts with taxpayers money for real estate developers that borrow lots of money to build spec houses and then fail to pay their development loans?
    How do you folks feel about people, including real estate developers that take out loans, stop paying the loans while at the same time renting out the homes and collecting rent? Is that responsible?
    Does these actions match with Todd’s post and his stated standards?
    Todd says… “Unless we return our nations attitude to one of having to work for what you get, even if it is a small thing, we are doomed”. Say one thing and do another?
    Todd posted “Don’t spend more than we bring in”. Does this apply to everyone or is this selective?
    Todd posted “The elephant in the room for me though is government regulations.”
    The real elephant in the room that some here refuse to address is Todd’s double standards and his clear hypocrisy.
    So… bash me for providing this response to Todd’s own stated positon and standards, thus showing additional hypocrisy or… apply Todd’s own stated standards to all… including Todd.

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  5. John Galt Avatar

    To Russ’s point. Tom’s website or email blast would have been a good means of “communicating” the correct message.
    Thanks George for the thorough report. I share your concerns about all the dependencies. Reminds me of the WWII book: “A Bridge Too Far”.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    When we start seeing major policy changes with the budgets at all levels the politicians will not have the support of the people. We need to move away from the “entitlement” mentality and back to the work mentality. Too many freeloaders on the taxpayers money.

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  7. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    I agree with Todd when he says… “Too many freeloaders on the taxpayers money”.

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  8. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Hey Steve – Can you trace any of my money to Todd that Todd forced me to pay him? Can you demonstrate how Todd took any of your money? Didn’t think so. Can you name any laws that Todd broke? George posts a blog entry about the fact that our nation is in serious financial trouble and you reply with a personal attack on some one who comments on that blog. How about we all agree with you Steve and chant – “Todd is a hypocrite” a thousand times? Now go back and actually read the above blog entry by George and let us know how your attacks on Todd will remedy any of that.

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  9. John Galt Avatar

    Here’s a link to the Stephen Lerner audio George referred to (located using Ask.Com instead of Google): http://the-classic-liberal.com/seiu-stephen-lerner-destabilize-capitalism/
    It’s about 12 minutes of the SEIU leader’s Lerner’s candid plan to destabilize our govt & economy.

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  10. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Scott…the answer is yes.
    What types of loans did Todd take out for his failed real estate development projects?
    Could they include FHA and Vet backed loans as stated in the public forclosure documents? Where does that money come from Scott?
    Who is bailing out the banks for all the failed loans? Would that be taxpayers money?… the answer is yes again, it’s massive amounts of taxpayers money going to the banks to cover the failed loans.
    As my post stated… my comments and the issues I raised are in direct response to Todd’s above stated standards, just a direct response to the ground Todd staked out in his post.
    No need for you all here to chant… “Todd is a hypocrite a thousand times”… but facing the facts and doing it once would be nice.
    The hypocrisy is clear, regardless if you can’t face up to it.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar

    BobW – don’t know who you are accusing of “doublespeak”. If it’s me, then I apologize, for I benefit nothing from confusing more an issue that is already confused enough. As I said in my last KVMR commentary, the latest CR contained no proscriptions of Obamacare. I consider that a to be a victory for the Dems, and caving by the Repubs. Is Tom “joining the establishment?” I don’t know, his drawing and standing firm on the “red line” will tell the tale. My support of Tom has always been based on his not joining the establishment that got us here and now has no balls to get us back on a sustainable fiscal track. I am doing homework on Tom’s stance and will report my take on what I find out.
    SteveE – I believe it is possible to critically discuss the ideas and proposals of an alleged hypocrite without being diverted to continually indicting and prosecuting the so accused. Todd’s views of government involvement in our lives stand on their own, and their merit can be debated without bringing in any iniquities with which you judge him to be still burdened. This would push the peanut along a bit more than the constant recounting of your past charges – unless, of course, you have nothing to contribute to the idea itself. Perhaps as an illustration, how would government have functioned if every time Bill Clinton proposed something, his opposition would instead bring up his back seat peccadilloes as governor, or his then current dress staining indelicacies in the Oval Office? ScottO’s added points resonate with me.
    JohnG – ‘A Bridge Too Far’ is an excellent metaphor for what appears to be attempted here. And thanks for the audio link, I have inserted it into the original post above.

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    George, Steve Enos is simply on a fishing expedition and he knows nothing. He is simply following me around to every place I comment and trying to somehow discredit me. It really doesn’t matter to me because he doesn’t matter to me. My feelings of him are shared with many other folks.

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  13. George Rebane Avatar

    Todd, I understand. Nevertheless, as the keeper of the keys here, my somewhat less than successful efforts with SteveE are to entice him to share his own brand of liberalism re the topics under discussion.

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  14. John Galt Avatar

    BTW, I’m color blind. I read black and white, not purple. Comes in handy when one needs to filter information.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Don’t misunderstand me George. I enjoy reading the lame attempts by Enos and his ilk to come up with something (THEY DON’T KNOW ANYTHING). The liberals on Pelline’s blog including Enos are bashing you and me and the rest for some PC outrage deJour yet they are the blatant namecallers. I did a story on one of them, Kate Hancock, who was just plain nasty. I am getting a gazillion page views but the liberals don’t comment because they are unable to justify their hypocrisy. The reason liberalism is becoming neutered is because we leave their comments on the threads so everyone can see who the liberals REALLY ARE.

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  16. John Galt Avatar

    Rush commented on Stephen Lerner’s plan during the 10 O’clock hr. He pointed out that those Cadillac pensions which are invested in the stock market would be damaged by Lerner’s plans. Seems unlikely that The Union members will oppose that.
    If Lerner does pursue his plan, the audio will make good evidence to imprison him for violating The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.
    But while Lerner’s plan is unlikely to materialize, it’s enlightening to know the lengths Commicrats will go to.
    Galt’s Definition of Commicrat(s): Communists charading as Democrats. Individuals that perpetuate the sociopolitical movement of Communism under the pretense of being a Democrat. See also Marxicrat
    Galt’s Definition of Marxicrat(s): Marxists charading as Democrats.

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  17. Bob W Avatar
    Bob W

    George,
    Please don’t bother apologizing, no need. I was just trying to cut to the issue I was interested in with regard to Tom’s meeting. After your explanation I have to assume that all the ranker by the NAY freshmen and other “Tea Party” reps was unfounded and had no basis in reality. But then I would have to assume that you know much more about the CR than they did. Perhaps, but then I will wait to see what materializes. If the Republicans, including Tom, don’t start bucking up I will be forced to put them in the same column as the Democrats. This after support for 42 years.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar

    Useful labels JohnG; you may have expanded the information carrying capacity of the language. May I add sociacrats to fill the interval between commicrats and marxicrats. Then we may expand to progressicrats and progressicans, since members of both parties suffer from that ideological infection.

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  19. Jack McClure: Avatar
    Jack McClure:

    My problem with all Republicans, including those new Tea Party folks, is they seem to already have forgotten November 2nd. They all talked a good game during the campaign, didn’t they? They should draw a line in the sand and then go into battle for the safety and security of our country. This may be the last fight for our country’s freedom. We all need to write, fax or email our representatives and inundate the media with letters to the editor letting them know exactly how you feel. Folks, this is war! Now is not the time to sit back and wait and see.

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  20. Russ Steele Avatar

    Hot Air writes there is a pending budget deal on the table:
    Republicans and President Barack Obama’s Democrats, facing huge economic stakes, may soon reach a budget deal for this fiscal year after weeks of half measures to avert a government shutdown.
    Worried about the fragile U.S. recovery and their own political well-being, members on both sides seem willing to resolve a gap between them on how much needs to be cut from federal spending this fiscal year to rein in the budget deficit.
    “Chances of a deal seem reasonably good,” a senior congressional aide said, adding that talks may deepen when they move from staff level to the involvement of party leadership in the Senate and House of Representatives as early as next week.
    A GOP aide says that a deal is in “everyone’s interest,” referring to the political danger in a government shutdown. 

    I guess Jack does not think that a deal is the right thing to do!

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  21. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Sorry Steve. You didn’t answer my questions. I asked if Todd had taken any of your money or mine. You start talking about the govt. Todd is not the govt, Steve. Who gave the banks and Fannie and Freddie unlimited access to our tax money? The fed govt. did Steve. Not Todd. Todd pays taxes and will until he dies. If he stops paying whomever he has loans with, then they can re-possess the houses. Simple. But they are being given the money by the feds who take it at gun point from us. Todd didn’t tell them to do that. And I see that you have admitted my point that everyone “facing the facts” about Todd won’t solve the problem. But you think it would be “nice”. You certainly have your priorities all figured out.

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  22. George Rebane Avatar

    Amen JackM. As I reported in the post, there is a lot of talk about a mystery deal with the Dems in the works. The Repubs report it producing a ‘red line’ behind which to take a stand. But if the rumors of this deal revolve around not shutting down the government as the prime goal, then I think we are looking at low grade ore from our elected conservatives.

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  23. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Sorry, but you missed Scott. Todd took put loans to build spec houses, stoppped paying, then the foreclosures. The public foreclosure notices showed loan(s) were FHA/VA backed. Guess who ends up paying for this? That would be the taxpayers.
    Follow the money… part of the cause of the mess we are in is because of folks taking out real estate loans and then failing to pay the loans. Taxpayers then provided the banks with a lot of public money to cover the bad loans. What part of tjis is not correct?
    The Feds made it so anyone could borrow money for real estate. Far too many took out loans that should not have. They took out loans and then walked away from the loans.
    I did not say that “facing the facts” about Todd’s actions would solve the problem… it’s about hypocrisy.

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  24. John Galt Avatar

    George, your definition of “Sociacrat(s)” has been accepted 🙂
    Wish me luck trying to get these definitions adopted by Wiki and other online dictionaries.
    Jack, I’m not sure how you distinguish “the new Tea Party folks” from old Tea Party folks. From my first-and observation, TP members passionately believe we’re running out of time to get our fiscal house in order. Typical republican’s don’t have the same sense of urgency. I would agree that neither is well coordinated for communication–but we need a different forum to discuss it. There’s too may purple eyes here.

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  25. George Rebane Avatar

    JohnG, can you tell us at least what aspect of the growing fiscal crisis 1) has not already been discussed in these pages, and 2) would be inappropriate for discussing in such open forums with purple people watching and participating? I’m not sure I understand the purpose such sub rosa discussions would serve.

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  26. John Galt Avatar

    My error for the lack of clarity. I was referring only to a perceived lack of aggressive communication with legislators. The communication amongst ourselves is excellent. But most of the participants here are members of the same choir.
    Jack wrote above: We all need to write, fax or email our representatives and inundate the media with letters to the editor letting them know exactly how you feel. Folks, this is war! Now is not the time to sit back and wait and see.
    I share Scott’s sentiments; my sense is that the NCTPP & GOP rely mostly on an an independent effort. Perhaps I’m mistaken. Regardless, expanding upon this particular point is not something I’d like to share with the purple people.

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve – did you ever write a check or give cash to Todd? No. The govt takes your money and gives it to the banks who Todd owes money to and who do you blame? You need to think, Steve. Todd never took a dime of your money. The Dems took your money at gunpoint from you and gave it to benefit some one you don’t like. In my world that would make the govt the problem. Did Todd ever support or vote for the folks that took your money and then gave it to the banks? No. You did! At some point, I would think you would wake up and realize you got screwed by the side you help put into power.

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  28. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Excellent point Scott – nail on the head Touche’
    outstanding perception

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  29. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So Scott claims to know who I voted for and who Todd voted for… sorry that’s a no-defense claim.
    Seems Scott can’t grasp the facts of who ended up holding the bag.

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  30. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve – you can’t or won’t answer my questions. You make up things you claim I say. I never said I didn’t end up holding the bag. If you would ever just once, actually read and understand what I write, you would see that I’m ticked at having to pay for others’ stupidity and greed. The only entity that makes me pay anything is the govt. No one else on earth can do that. Not Todd or you or GM or George Soros. The govt Steve! I am willing to pay them for constitutionally constrained spending but nothing else. Those are the facts, Steve. Face it.

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  31. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Scott, well put!
    If our government had not socialized the mortgage industry (FHA, Freddie, Fannie) then ‘our’ money would not be at risk. As it is ‘our’ money is taken at gun point for the government to use (without regard to moral hazard, profit motive, etc). Take OPM out of the equation and most banks (public or socialized) would not have taken the risk they did (and if they did, they would be bk).
    The constitution was murdered by W. Wilson administration circa 1913 with the advent of the Federal Reserve and Income tax and buried by FDR’s admin via big gov ‘entitlement’ era on steroids.
    Progressives understand that if the average person has their reasoning abilities then they NEED a nanny government to help them tie their shoes, choose their food, insure home ownership, educate, choose enemies/wars, etc.

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  32. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Mikey, where does personal responsibility for ones own actions fit into this?

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  33. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    A government spending OPM (Other People’s Money) encourages malfeasance, penalizes success/rewards failure, disregards the laws of moral hazard (encourages risk taking on both sides of ever deal), disregards profit motives laws (i.e. don’t make stupid financial decisions), erroneously/devastatingly believes that central planners can manipulate, collude and coerce to control economic outcomes…disconnects a personal decision and the pain associated with poor judgment… which ALL perverts the value system (morals/ethics) of all parties.

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  34. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    FUBAR

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  35. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    I’m sure that covered it mikey

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  36. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    What is FUBAR?

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  37. Mr. Obvious Avatar
    Mr. Obvious

    google it

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  38. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Oh, well, I probably won’t be using that term. LOL

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  39. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    It’s not my fault, the government made me do it…So that’s the story?
    So much for personal responsibility and accountability.

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  40. Barry Pruett Avatar

    Steve (Baja): You are the guy that was running around the internet for the past two weeks complaining like a three year old about people personally attacking others, yet all of you have done on this thread is personally attack Todd. George: If I were you, I would delete Baja, as he is more interested in disrupting the conversation than participating.

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  41. George Rebane Avatar

    Barry, SteveE has on numerous occasions been invited to the conversation. As an exemplar of the progressive mind, SteveE is contributing the best he can. And as long as his comments maintain a modicum civility, he is welcome here and serves the dual purpose of reminding the rest of us of how and why the libertarian/conservative has almost no chance to make a connection with the collectivist. Better examples of this exist on leftwing blogs, but here we take what we can get. I suggest that we consider these visits as confirming moments.

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  42. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    It is my understanding the BOS is considering giving SteveF and SBC some taxpayers money. Is that true?

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  43. George Rebane Avatar

    Todd, they may be in a quandry about that or refinancing the Worm Farm. But let us know if you find out.

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  44. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Ah, yes! Personal responsibility! The govt has been rewarding irresponsibility (as well as illegal activity) for quite a while and suddenly the call for personal responsibility! Welcome to the Tea Party, Steve! That’s what it’s all about. Always glad to have Steve post here.

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  45. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Me too. I always think having opposing views is important. Unfortunately though, the Enos’, Frisch’s and Pelline’s get personal and then lose all their credibility. The Tea Party is full of people who are fed up with the leftwingnuts and their lying ways. America will recover.

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  46. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd (wiseandjust), you define getting “personal” and your posts show that. In fact you like to be known for that and even brag about that, don’t you?
    Scott… I agree with you and always have that “The govt has been rewarding irresponsibility (as well as illegal activity) for quite a while”.
    Todd’s failed real estate development projects, funded/backed by government loans are a prime example of which you speak. Nice to see you and I are on the same page on this one.

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  47. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Even though people like Enos make up their attacks from whole cloth, I forgive them. When you are nasty namecallers like them I know they are in need of some sort of mental health care. It is OK Steve, we all understand.

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  48. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Nice try Steve – The govt is mugging us and you still blame Todd. There is no money from you or me to Todd. You’ve had several convoluted attempts, but you still come up empty. The govt takes the money, Steve and gives it to the banks. You are so wrapped up in your petty vendettas, you can’t see reality. Even though you still can’t back up your nonsense, I like to read what you think as it helps to see what kind of warped reality you live in.
    Let’s try another angle on this. You claim you don’t like the govt rewarding irresponsible and illegal activity – what would you like the govt to stop funding, then? Yes, I know Todd is top of the list even though he isn’t actually getting anything. So please try to come up with real stuff that actually costs us money. I’m thinking billions in this state alone to illegal aliens and trillions to failed rackets like Fannie and Freddie. With me?

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  49. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Nope Scott, I blame the government AND folks like Todd that took out the loans and then bailed. The government bailed them out as they are both responsible.
    Billions wnet to bailout borrowers and banks that took out real estate loans when they walked away from those loans.
    Then there are those that took out the loans, stopped paying the loans while at the same time collecting rent from renters and failing to pay the bank loans, loans backed by government money… now that’s a “racket”!

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  50. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve can you answer a simple question? Who takes your money? Try to focus. I am well aware of all of the money going to people that shouldn’t get it. Far beyond what you seem to be aware of. The govt will always give money to folks you don’t like unless you make the govt follow the Constitution. Always. So follow the Constitution or stop complaining.
    It was the Reps that tried to stop what you claim you don’t like and the Dems that kept the scam going until it crashed. It’s the Tea Party-type folks that wanted an end to this decades ago – where were you? The whole “great society” and “war on poverty” scam has drained trillions away from productive uses for decades. The whole health care bill is one big scam. It all needs to stop! Todd didn’t ask for or make you pay anything. He didn’t make the rules – he just follows them. Go to the DA and file a complaint if you have something.

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