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Associated Press reports on a Mexican study on the disposition of Arizona’s illegal aliens (aka “migrants”) since SB1070 became state law.  It turns out that about 100,000 Mexicans left the state with fewer than 25% returning home.  The rest presumably crossed the Colorado River to California that has the most lenient laws about which fugitive Hispanics have to worry.

California’s leftwing is celebrating their arrival because it hastens the total fiscal meltdown of the state.  The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) calculates that the annual net cost of illegal aliens to the state is over $10B.  Other such estimates are much higher for public expenses in the areas of healthcare, prisons, education, and direct transfer payments that swamp the revenues collected from such fugitive labor.  Now we have attracted 75,000 more unemployed workers.

The study also states that, at most, America’s 12 million Hispanic illegals send about $26B back to Mexico each year, and pay twice that much in taxes to our governments that goes into computing the net losses to our country.  Next to Mexico's oil revenues, such receipts to their destitute citizens are the second largest source of foreign revenues for that failed state.

To get the proper collectivist view of what’s happening in Arizona, you can read the latest post on my favorite communist website, truthout.com.  There Joel Olson’s op-ed ‘Corruption and Class Struggle: What It's Really Like to Live in Arizona’ spells it all out, and throws in some choice words about the real cause of the Tucson tragedy.

A more enlightened and rational response to the fugitive aliens problem can be found in Missouri (here).

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27 responses to “Arizona loses to California”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is some feed back on AZ’s SB1070 from an e-mail:
    Illegal immigrants are boycotting Arizona by the thousands, showing their outrage with Arizona ‘s controversial new SB-1070 law by moving elsewhere.
    In the small town of Guadalupe AZ , south of Phoenix , Manuel Renaldo is one of those who is punishing Arizona by leaving. As he loaded his stolen car with his belongings and family of ten, Renaldo told this reporter through an interpreter “It’s a matter of principle. I refuse to be supported by a state that treats me like a criminal.”
    The effects of the exodus are being felt by Arizona retailers who are reporting dwindling sales of beer, spray paint, and ammunition. Also hit hard are the state’s hospitals, which have reported a dramatic decline in births and emergency room visits. Tattoo parlors are in a state of panic.
    Renaldo told a reporter through an interpreter “He and his family are moving to California , which is a state that will support him and his family with dignity.”

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  2. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Russ that is hilarious! I am amazed but not surprised that people don’t learn from others around the planet or this country. The costs of people on the dole are astronomical. It is a double and maybe a triple whammy to the economy. Illegals drive down wages, get paid in cash, use our schools and other government programs and then send their money back to their home country. It has sucked our bank accounts dry and placed our country and states in jeopardy. Yet, well, maybe it is the “plan” of the socialists? Could be because they certainly fight hard for the illegals.

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  3. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd again posts about:
    “The costs of people on the dole”
    “use…government programs”
    “sucked our bank accounts dry”
    “placed our country and states in jeopardy”
    It’s fact that Todd posts a lot about how he despises the federal “bailouts”, the misuse of taxpayer money to subsidize a wide range of things including illegal aliens, how lib democrats are not responsible and want others to take care of them.
    Todd lectures and down right attacks people on these issues. Bailouts and subsidies for businesses and sectors are one of Todds’s favorite things to attack.
    Todd bashes the bank “bailouts”, ARRA and TARP efforts and posts how people need to be responsible and to stand on their own and take responsibility and not use taxpayer’s money.
    So what happens when a business/person goes to the bank and borrows money to undertake a speculative business venture, signs the agreements and fails to pay the bank? Guess who ends up covering the unpaid loans? Guess who picks up the tab and if the loan is backed and/or provided for by the government, that being the taxpayers, who ends up paying?
    I agree with what Todd has posted above when he states … “the costs of people on the dole are astronomical.”
    Consider this:
    http://jeffpelline.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/how-foreclosures-touch-all-of-us/#comments

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  4. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Russ Steele posted a story awhile back regarding Nevada County property values dropping and the drop in the value of real estate.
    Todd Juvinall provided a number of posts under this story (and many others too) where he claims “the left did this mess and we on the right are trying to clean it up”.
    Below is Todd Juvinall’s post I refer to. There’s endless other examples where Juvinall posts that the Libs and the left are to blame.
    In the post below by Juvinall he states “Government created the problem in the housing sector by forcing banks to lend to unqualified people”… interesting positon to take all things considering.
    “Todd Juvinall said in reply to Jon Shilling…
    Government created the problem in the housing sector by forcing banks to lend to unqualified people or face discrimination lawsuits from the feds. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, two of the left greatest heroes were behind the mess. Barney was even sleeping with a Freddie Mac guy who was in front of his committee. So, fess up, the left did this mess and we on the right are trying to clean it up”.
    Reply September 05, 2010 at 05:49 PM

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    When we get the freeloaders from other countries out of here, then our economy can take a breather and recover. Isn’t it interesting that Wall Street and the big banks are doing so well? We can see the results of many bad policies thrust on the American people by leftwing socialists. California will trail the country by a few years if it ever does recover.

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  6. Mike Sherman Avatar

    Mr. Enos, I don’t know who Barney was sleeping with nor to I care, but I can affirm to you that Todd is absolutely 100% correct when he claims that “Government created the problem in the housing sector by forcing banks to lend to unqualified people or face discrimination lawsuits from the feds”. It actually began back with Bush when he pressed for increased home ownership, but never under the terms that ended up being what they are today.

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  7. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Mike, Barney Frank was sleeping with a fellow from Freddie Mac I believe. When the Congress was trying to start reviewing the agency, Barney defended them and made some speeches about how great they were doing. I’d say Barney was a bit in a conflict.

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  8. George Rebane Avatar

    The genesis of the current mess goes back a bit before either Bush. A short synopsis of ‘How We Got Here’ may be helpful.
    http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/10/how-we-got-here.html

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  9. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    So it was because “Government created the problem in the housing sector by forcing banks to lend to unqualified people”…
    So if that’s the case does it apply to all or just one segment of borrowers”
    Does it also apply to Juvinall? Todd Juvinall got big bank loans, and stopped paying them… seems Juvinall was one of those “unqualified people” that got loans and then stoppped paying them back. How do you feel about that?
    Juvinall posted above… “When we get the freeloaders…out of here”. Since it’s the bank stockholders and FHA/VA and the taxpayers that end up footing the bill for unpaid bank, real estate loans doesn’t that make Juvinall a “freeloader” considering the following?:
    http://jeffpelline.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/how-foreclosures-touch-all-of-us/#comments
    Do the standards apply yo all?

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  10. George Rebane Avatar

    SteveE, you seem to be accusing Todd of perfidy – that he took out the loan with an intent to default. Thousands of people default on the mortgages every year for all kinds of reasons. It is the job of the lending institutions to evaluate and decide whether to make a loan. In the last years this decision process was distorted by government diktat, thereby skewing the distribution of loans that went bad for a number of reasons.
    Someone who defaults on a loan does not make him a ‘freeloader’. The default was a business decision between lender and borrower. That government stepped in to force banks to take bailouts is a totally separate issue. You are counting on the ignorance of RR readers to carry your point. I don’t think that many such readers frequent these pages.
    Finally, that Pelline published the details of Todd Juvinall’s foreclosure is below my ability to comment. But I do believe it highlights the different drummer to which all of you march.

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  11. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George… 100% pure hypocrisy!

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Steve Enos, please list your degrees regarding your claim to be a planner would you please? I have been defending you with some who think you are not being truthful. If you have degrees in planning, list them with links to prove them so I can get these people off my back. Thanks.

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  13. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    PS George, it’s not foreclosure, it’s foreclosure”s”. More than one spec house loan default notice was published.
    Spec house construction is a business, a very speculative business. So who ends up holding the bag?
    Hypocrisy is the point I’m making. I never accused Juvinal of “perfidy” and I defy you to show where I have.
    No George I have only shown that The Emperor wears no clothes… pure hypocrisy.

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  14. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Funny Mr. Juvinall. Instead of posting a response about the issues I raise you undertake a personal attack on me that has NOTHING to do with the discussion.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    All I am asking you for is apparently something you don’t have then.. I guess you must be a hypocrite since the people I have been defending you with think you have no credentials. I guesthey must be right? BTW, why would tyou take a request for your credentials as a personal attack?

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  16. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd keep trying to shift the discussion to another topic, to shift it to me and away from you and your hypocrisy.
    Just keep failing to address the issues I have raised, no surprise. You staked out a lot of ground on the blogs with your own posts, now all can see the emperor wears no clothes.
    Hypocrisy at the highest possible level.

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  17. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Mr Sherman is correct, and yes it did start under Bush but Congress made the decisions and pushed the programs – and yes threatened the lenders, I was there. Although at that time things were rolling and you couldn’t slow the train and the underwriting guidelines continued to be eased more and more until if you breathed and had a checking acoount you were good. ie: part-time cash job – counted – cell phone bill, electric and rent history became your credit history.
    Todd’s situation is a market issue of that arena, massive oversupply from all these mortgages that should never have been issued – nothing more nothing less. Even mentioning it in public once let alone many times, speaks more about your character than anything you ever posted – if that was possible – both of you.

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  18. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Dixon, please, no excuses… “Todd’s situation is a market issue” you say? Nope it’s bad business decisions and a lack of responsibilty issue by someone that staked out the ground he stands on.
    Borrow money to buy vacant land, borrow more money to build spec houses. Rent the houses out, continue to collect rent, stop paying the bank? That’s not a “market issue”.
    I have bought and subdivided land and I have built spec residential. When I made money it went onto my pocket, when I lost money it came out of my pocket not my lenders pocket, not FHA’s pocket, not the taxpayers pocket.
    Juvinall has made endless posts about being responsible, about taking responsible for one’s actions, he bashed all forms of bail outs while at the same time default notices were being sent for failed spec house loans.
    That my friend is hypocrisy at the highest possible level. The facts speak to Juvinall’s character, not mine. The facts speak for themselves while Juvinall refuses to speak or respond on these matters.
    Juvinall staked out the ground and set his standards, standards that are fair to apply to him too. Seem some here can’t bear to do that, but the facts are the facts.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Come on Steve, just give us your credentials man. Why so evasive? Could it be you have none? You have told many councils sessions you were a planner so all I want are your creds. Why are you being so evasive? You have posted the ublic notice on me and that is the extent of it. You now have to give us your creds so we can be assured you are not a hypocrit. So are you a college grad in planning? Pretty easy to place in the next message. By he way, you said you were also law enforcement. Can you give us the contact in LE that an verify that?

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd, you are a hoot! Duck, hide, try to change the discussion to something or someone that has nothing to do with the issues under the story or the discussion… your slip is showing.

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  21. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    You have the notice, read it.
    Come on Steve, just give us your credentials man. Why so evasive? Could it be you have none? You have told many councils sessions you were a planner so all I want are your creds. Why are you being so evasive? You have posted the ublic notice on me and that is the extent of it. You now have to give us your creds so we can be assured you are not a hypocrite. So are you a college grad in planning? Pretty easy to place in the next message. By he way, you said you were also law enforcement. Can you give us the contact in LE that an verify that?

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  22. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Mr. Juvinall can duck, hide and try to change the subject but that’s just not going to do the job.
    Juvinall’s now exposed double standards, his ranting and preaching vs. his own now daylighted actions is hypocrisy at the highest possible level.
    In A past post Juvinall stated “Government created the problem in the housing sector by forcing banks to lend to unqualified people”… interesting positon to take all things considering. But I do agree with Juvinall on this one… he should know.

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  23. bill tozer Avatar
    bill tozer

    I am still laughing at Russ’s post. Great one, Mr. Steele.

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  24. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    I am still laughing at Juvinall’s complete and total hypocrisy that has now been exposed.

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  25. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    The push to pressure banks to make loans to underqualified buyers began as a Clinton era program.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html?scp=2&sq=subprime+lending+clinton&st=nyt
    The effort started to make home ownership possible to minorities who, for whatever reason, were not qualifying for loans (and I’m sure some of them deserved the loans they got), but in the end, most of the loans went to folks of all races, creeds and national origins who shouldn’t have been lent the money,

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  26. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Greg you have identified the root cause of the problem.

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  27. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    A big part of the problem is the folks that took out the loans and won’t pay them back. Many are walking away from the loans even when they can pay them… DEADBEATS.

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