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George Rebane

[This the transcript of the 19nov2010 edition of my bi-weekly KVMR-FM 89.5 commentary.  Today’s cartoon in the 20nov2010 Union by my friend RL ‘Bob’ Crabb is on the same topic.  It is here purloined by permission.]

This week I attended the November luncheon meeting of the Nevada County Republican Women Federated, of which I am an Associate Member.  These women are by far the most dynamic and active conservative Republican group in the county.

Supervisor John Spencer was the featured speaker this month, and he chose to give us a Glenn Beckian whiteboard presentation of highlights of the county’s political history over the last twenty years.  It was an excellent summary that ended with an alarming report of the next layer of regulations coming down from state that will cost us more money and reduce our freedoms.

Supervisor John told us of the new state mandate to have all new construction housing in California incorporate inside sprinkler systems.  These new systems will add at least $10,000 to the cost of a house and promise to provide a goodly fraction of their owners with a wet surprise now and then.  The new code calls for the sprinklers not necessarily to put out any insipient fires, but to provide a ‘mist’ that may enable occupants to evacuate the premises.


Sacramento is requiring all the local jurisdictions to modify their building codes to require the incorporation of these sprinkler systems.  And if a jurisdiction, like Nevada County, chooses not to modify their building code, then by state law it will no longer be allowed to issue building permits.  In essence its planning and building departments would be shut down.

The younger listeners to this broadcast will not remember nor have they been taught in state schools the level of freedoms we enjoyed in days of yore.  These folks and those who have not been paying attention will barely notice or take note of the ratchet on our collars tightening another click – it has all happened so gradually.  But there it is again – for our own good of course.  Who would be so foolish as to say no to fire safety?

And maybe next year they’ll make us even safer by requiring that no house may be sold without the retrofit of such sprinkler systems.  Now that may be a $20 to 30,000 bill.  But remember, you can’t be too safe.  And not to worry, if you’re among the government favored economic class, you will have your retrofit subsidized by the unfavored class.

Our freedoms have been whittled down bit by piece for the better part of the 20th century, and now we have kicked the whole process into high gear.  The history of tyrannies is replete with stories of ‘we never knew it could wind up like this so fast’.  Check it out for yourself, talk to your neighbors about what it was like then compared to now.

Supervisor Spencer wound up his talk by announcing that the Board of Supervisors would have this sprinkler mandate on its agenda real soon now.  Moreover, there is nothing we can do about it except adopt its provisions.  And therefore the county’s building codes would be appropriately modified to require sprinklers on all new construction.  That’s just the way things are these days, every sunrise comes with more regulations.

After his talk I asked John, what would happen if the Supervisors voted to reject the state mandate on sprinklers.  He confirmed that under state law our building department could not issue any more building permits.  But then what would happen if someone built a house to pre-sprinkler code and moved in?  Would the governor call out the National Guard or the local SWAT team to evict the homeowner?  Would they tear down the house or confiscate it or … ?  John said he didn’t know because no one had thought to explore that possibility.  We have always done whatever they tell us to do, no matter what.

I’m sure the news media would cover such a rebellious act in which a small county finally says to big government that ‘enough is enough!’.  Could just saying NO catch on?  Would it spread like wildfire across the state?  Across the nation?  Would people start waking up?

I am George Rebane and I also expand on these and other themes in my Union columns, on NCTV, and on georgerebane.com where this transcript appears.  These opinions are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[20nov2010 addendum]

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[11dec2010 addendum] A regular RR reader who is in the know about these things sent me the following chart that indicates what has been going on in Nevada County regarding residential construction.  It sure looks like the new additions to the building code will achieve total victory for the ‘no growthers’.

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72 responses to “And what if we just say NO? (Addended again)”

  1. RL Crabb Avatar

    Steve, I don’t think anyone here is arguing that there shouldn’t be standards for new construction. Sprinklers for some new buildings, especially multi-story apartments, etc., makes sense. But the continual piling on of “one size fits all” regs for single family residences has reached the point of absurdity. Having spent years watching planning commissions in action, I’ve seen the abuses first hand.
    Right now, I am experiencing such stupidity. Years ago, when the GV planning commission approved an apartment building next to our home, they demanded that the owner plant a row of trees in between the properties so we wouldn’t be looking into each others bedrooms. Never mind that the roots will crack his foundation in another few years, and that last night’s snowstorm has placed one of them on my roof, the “experts” knew better.
    Consider too, that all new “affordable” housing has just gone up $10K in price. If nothing else, the housing bubble provided some relief in that regard, if you’re lucky enough to have a job and a bank that will finance it.

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  2. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    Steve – could you give an example of what we conservatives want for “free”? Because it looks to me that it’s the other way around. For example, conservatives have to pay for free public education that is, for the most part total crap and a waste of money. And we have to pay, again (and after taxes) for a good private school for our own kids. How is that free loading? I have to save and pay for a house I can afford and pay for the greedy fools that knowingly bought homes they knew they could not afford. Who’s free loading? I pay for my own vehicles and I have to subsidize folks that have more income than I so they can buy their “green” vehicles. I’m free loading? Tell me how. I want and will pay for a strong, but limited govt that abides by the Constitution, but I will not stand to pay for waste, incompetence, illegal acts and lazy bums. Do you have a problem with that? And how does removing my liberties make things better?

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  3. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    OK, Steve, you showed yours,I’ll show mine. Went to work in ’69 for Surfas, Inc. in LA. By ’73 was head kitchen designer there. In ’79, took off with the top sales guy to form the Kitchen Intelligence Agency in Santa Monica.
    I was the kitchen design guy you used to consult with, tho mostly my contact was with owners. Over the next 19 years I designed and built over 400 commercial kitchen is thirty five states. Clients included Borel Restaurant Corp (Rusty Scuppers, Parker’s Lighthouses), Spectrum Foods (Il Fornaio, Prego), Cheesecake Factory, Chin-Chin, Crocodile Cafes, Chuck’s Steak Houses, Alderman Enterprises (Carlos’n’Pepe, Margaritaville), Ogilvies in New Mexico and Colorado, T&S Restaurants (Kimos, Lelanis, Duke’s Canoe Club, Sharkey’s, Keoki’s, Jakes at Tahoe and Del Mar), Roy Yamaguchi’s restaurants in Hawaii, and hundreds of one-offs as well. Gladstones, Camacho’s, Hebrew Union College, Palm Canyon Hotel, the Palms at Wailea, and on and on.
    Total equipment sales and installation over those 19 years, 90+ million. So, yeah, I know what I’m talking about when I say walk-ins don’t need sprinklers- there’s nothing to burn.

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  4. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Forgot to mention Hamburger Hamlets (Marilyn Lewis would be offended) across the US. But, nevermind. My larger point is that commercial kitchen builders, like most successful enterprises, are the product of people who have devoted their professional lives to bringing these things to life, are liable for the results, and are rarely, if ever, overmatched in knowledge by the presumably well-intentioned agents of the Leviathan. For what it’s worth, the KIA, over 19 years, was never subjected to a lawsuit, though a fire occured in a kitchen I built in Lahaina, but ultimately attributed to a lack of maintainence on the part of the owner/operators who relied upon local input.

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  5. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Larry, Steve has rent seeker guilt, RSG. They project on to th people that actually work and know things.

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  6. Mikey McD Avatar

    Gents, you can’t get progressives to value personal liberty (or employ reason/logic), it gets in the way of their worship of government. You can, however, accept victory when they start name calling…
    “You are all idiots.” Posted by: Steven Frisch | 20 November 2010 at 09:26 PM
    It is ironic to have a government dependent human to label as idiots those yearning for freedom to be self reliant. An idiot NEEDS a nanny government (at the expense of the self reliant).

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  7. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    “George, the point I am making is that if you pick and chose which section of the UBC you like, and suggest we should just say no to the portions we don’t like, then you end up with none of the UBC…that is the natural extension of what you are suggesting.”
    Why is it that when confronted the lib/progressive has to always go “extreme” – its either you submit to a 10K regulation or its everyman for himself and anarchy???? – NOT ONE PERSON remotely suggested anything close.
    exit question: if they are so good and so badly needed to save lives I presume you and peeline both have them installed – if not why not, do you not care about the safety of your families ???
    or are you just so worried about others families
    PS I’m sure you also put one inside the frig too, in a fire the best way to find the kitchen is look for the freezer, it will still be there – I guess flipping burgers doesn’t qualify you to design kitchens, talk about being OWNED in an epic way hehe

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  8. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Mikey forgot to give you kudo’s for a good post:
    “It is ironic to have a government dependent human to label as idiots those yearning for freedom to be self reliant. An idiot NEEDS a nanny government (at the expense of the self reliant).
    and as such Mr frisch who is actually paying for barry’s fire protection and kids, the same people that pay you through grants – just say’in

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  9. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Anyone know if Giovannis restaurant in Colfax had sprinklers? You could probably find out by sifting through the ashes

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  10. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Paul, apropos to this post, where would you go with that argument given that they did or not have sprinklers.

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  11. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Idiots…

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  12. Barry Pruett Avatar

    When liberals resort to name-calling you know they have no valid argument. Woo hoo…I win!

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  13. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    WOO

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    I think Frisch forgot to mention his degree in Political Science. About as impressive as being a cook.
    No one in my family smokes. I suspect our risk for a fire is much less than in an apartment building where many Democrats and undocumented Democrats are renting low income housing. Sprinklers would be a good idea there to protect the non-smokers from the smokers.
    My home doesn’t have sprinklers, nor do I think I need them. Like others, the danger here is from fires on the outside. However, since new homes will have to have them, and no one shopping for homes will care that this place doesn’t have them, this new law will eventually boost the value of my home by something close to 10K. Let’s also boost the fees for new construction while we’re at it. It might kill more construction jobs, but I think Frisch is OK with that.

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  15. Larry Wirth Avatar
    Larry Wirth

    Greg, that was ironic in a personal sense. While my above posted brief resume was completely accurate, it is curious that my own degree from UCLA is in political science. Spent 2-1/2 years in the College of Engineering, then Army, back to school, 2 years in Lib Art, back in Army (reservist called up), back to graduate in Poli Sci: but married, and drafting was what people would pay for; planned on Law School, but boss made, in his own words “an offer your can’t resist.” He was right, money beckoned more than law school and a die was cast…

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  16. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Yes Paul I would also like to inquire as to where that would be going – its a commercial building with open flames, maybe it did or didn’t – the point?
    this is about a house – we have a gazillion of them in this country none with sprinklers –
    it ain’t helping if a forest fire roars through, you should have been gone already

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I was just curious as to whether sprinklers were effective in that case. Apparently in the recent Galleria fire they were turned off allowing a small fire to get out of control. Here’s another question that I don’t have an answer to. If Nevada County were to become a Charter County would they still be under the same Universal Building Code rules? Anybody know?

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  18. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I was just curious as to whether sprinklers were effective in that case. Apparently in the recent Galleria fire they were turned off allowing a small fire to get out of control. Here’s another question that I don’t have an answer to. If Nevada County were to become a Charter County would they still be under the same Universal Building Code rules? Anybody know?

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  19. George Rebane Avatar

    Just got an email from Supervisor John Spencer who reported that the BoS did indeed meet this morning and passed the inclusion of the new sprinkler regulation into our building code. The vote was 3-2 with Supervisors Spencer and Owens (Truckee) voting NO. Maybe the vote indicates a beginning of some pushback on state-sponsored idiocies.

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Paul, I think Placer County is a charter ounty. You could call and talk to Tom Miller, their CEO, We hired him way back as our DOT leader and he left after a few years of being hounded by the left in the county.

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  21. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    That would be good information to know. I’ll check into it. Actually, Grass Valley is a Charter City. Draconian building codes have been a pet peeve of mine for years so I might stand near you on this one.
    A friend of mine who built his own house told me that they would not give a ok on his final inspection because he used a custom made toilet seat that was not sealed with the proper plastic coating. That’s one step beyond having the government in your bedroom

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  22. Mikey McD Avatar

    Check out Today’s Union… $100k sprinkler system required for bike shop… Oh how we wish we could just say “NO.” That’s a lot of bikes for $100,000!
    http://www.theunion.com/article/20101129/NEWS/101129791/1066&ParentProfile=1053
    “The construction project faced an unexpected hurdle when the Department of the State Architect mandated a fire sprinkler system in the building. Because water pressure was too low, the school had to pay for hook-ups to NID.
    At a price tag well over $100,000, the sprinkler system chewed into the $400,000 of the donation earmarked for operational expenses. Classes, which enroll 80 students at a time, moved into the building in October.”

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