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George Rebane

It’s hard to take seriously California’s Proposition 19 that would make law the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.  This law would allow all the would be happy people in the state to grow up to 25 square feet of maryjane for fun and profit.  Well, the fun part has been pretty well established, but the profit seems to still have a question or two connected with it.  But that’s where the comedy starts for those pushing Prop19.

MJuses 

Now before going any further, let me state that I am for the de-criminalization of drugs (here).  And if that means that at least the production-to-consumption pipeline of some drugs should be legalized, then let’s puzzle out a good way and do it.  Continuing the losing war on drugs has only benefitted the producers (e.g. cartels) and the people in the justice system trying to stop them and their customers.  Talk about a perennial jobs act for both sides of the legal divide.


But Prop19 is not a good way to legalize marijuana.  If you look at the details, it becomes clear that the law would give rise to a patchwork of enforcement jurisdiction that most likely would change at every crossing of a county, city, state park, federal park, BLM, township, … boundary.  Consuming pot for recreational use would be a hodgepodge that would cost a ton of money for each jurisdiction if they wanted to enforce their own version of the law.

And the people over at the Board of Equalization telling us that Prop19 would “generate $1.4B of new tax revenue” annually were really puffing the stuff when they came up with that number.  It’s based on everyone with a pot garden in their back yard dutifully selling the stuff to others at a price that includes promptly sending $50/oz (not making this up) of levies to the state.  Yeah, right.

But the kicker is that even if California adopts this law, the feds will land on us big time.  You see, the consumption and sale of marijuana is illegal under federal law, and that supersedes state law because they have more and bigger guns.  Abe Lincoln proved that way back in the 60s (that’s 1860s), and showed us what happens when you mess with the feds.

So I’m not sure what Sacramento’s Comedy Central is trying to prove with this proposition.  Prop19 now has a list of supporters that even includes ‘spooky dude’ George Soros (here and here).  If Prop19 is supposed to start the public debate on legalizing drugs, there are cheaper ways of doing it rather than launch another full employment program for trial lawyers.  They have enough of these things going for them already.  We should instead be working to eliminate these sinecures like, for instance, redoing the country’s medical malpractice laws.  (But no; instead America had Obamacare substituted for a proctoscope.)

Governor Schwarznegger says there are better ways to handle the decriminalization of marijuana – for once I agree.  As a free market libertarian I advise that we take a pass on Prop19.

[update] Just hung up the phone with Nevada County Sheriff Keith Royal who called to follow up on a conversation we have been having on Prop19.  Sheriff Royal wanted to point out that the “vast majority” of the state’s law enforcement associations oppose this proposition for a number of reasons some of which have been covered here.  Sheriff Royal summarized by saying that this law is “poorly drafted, deeply flawed, filled with loopholes and ambiguities,” and that “it would create a chaotic nightmare for law enforcement.”

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20 responses to “Prop19 – They smoked it when they wrote it (updated)”

  1. RL Crabb Avatar

    You’re right, George. This prop is what we Boomers call “a bummer” when it comes down to the details. I would think that the legislature could spend a little more time sorting out the Medical Mary-j law, which has been more confusing than trying to do calculus while smoking Lebannese hashish. Life is confusing enough as it is.
    I suspect that much of the money that supports this effort comes from the Junk Food Cartel, who stand to make a fortune selling munchies to the stoned masses.
    That said, it is a crime that the government continues to lump industrial hemp in with smokable marijuana. It ain’t the same.

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  2. Mike Sherman Avatar

    Sheriff Royal summarized by saying that this law is “poorly drafted, deeply flawed, filled with loopholes and ambiguities,” and that “it would create a chaotic nightmare for law enforcement.” Mr. Rebane, I have to agree with Sheriff Royal’s summary. The same could be said for the medical marijuana legislation.
    The D.A. and Sheriff brought that medical MJ loose cannon under control and I’m confident the same talent will be applied to any successful passage of Prop 19.
    The legislature should have dealt with this issue years ago and took the time to draft up a more reasoned approach. They failed to do so, so the public is attempting to legislate. That really isn’t the public’s responsibility and it is a bad way to pass rules and regulations. So we might end up stuck with bad legislation, but the intent is sincere for a variety of reasons.
    For me personally, it is a matter of priorities due to funding limitations. When your family member is killed by a drunk driver, the priority is more patrol cars on the streets. Helicopters dropping a dozen officers into a plantation of pot is very time consuming and very expensive. The funding could have paid for those additional patrol cars on the asphalt patrolling public roadways. We need more probation and parole officers. More cops on the streets always, I repeat, ALWAYS equals a reduction in overall crimes, which benefits ALL citizens.
    Look at the results of the “war on drugs” over the past 50 years, particularly marijuana? However,the Sheriff should always be upheld for supporting the laws on the books. Prop 19 is a poor attempt to change the law, but at least it is a start….a wake up call to the powers that govern our lives. No doubt adjustments in the law will be forthcoming, but it should be accomplished by the legislature, after consulting with the state’s DAs and Sheriff’s collective associations, and the public at large.
    Space limitations here prohibit me from expanding further. This is a subject that requires much deeper examinations and the ability for the public to determine the priorities that are important to the greater majority. The results of the election will help determine what direction California should go in dealing with the issue.

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  3. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I have much to say about this but I don’t have the time to get into it right now. It is not a surprise that law enforcement is opposed to this. History shows that they were also opposed to the 21st Amendment which repealed prohibition. In fact, if we relied on the judgement of the Enforcement Industry we would still be chasing bootleggers. I’m actually quite surprised that you oppose this because it would rely on local solutions. I thought that was what being Conservative was all about-local control. Would you prefer a State wide policy? And you really wimped out about the Feds. It was primarily rebellion from the States that forced an end of Prohibition. I’m pretty disappointed in your commitment to Libertarian ideals on this one.
    More later

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  4. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Paul, as you are preparing your more considered reply, may I suggest that you not apply a simplistic cookie cutter to the belief systems of libertarians and conservatives. Your ‘local solutions’ comment appears to indicate that kind of thrust for your forthcoming arguments.

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  5. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    One more thing George, As a small compromise to temperance supporters, the 21st amendment allowed for a state or municipality to prohibit alcohol within its borders. Some communities chose that route. But nationwide prohibition was a thing of the past. Local control.

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  6. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    I was only responding to your concerns about local jurisdiction and questioning whether that is consistent with basic Libertarian thought about local control. Seems fair game to me.

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  7. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    One final thought George. Would you have opposed the 21st Amendment based on the same argument that ” If you look at the details, it becomes clear that the law would give rise to a patchwork of enforcement jurisdiction that most likely would change at every crossing of a county, city, state park, federal park, BLM, township, … boundary. Consuming pot for recreational use would be a hodgepodge that would cost a ton of money for each jurisdiction if they wanted to enforce their own version of the law”

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  8. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    You guys guys need to do this even if its screwed up, only growth industry you might have, and Paul makes a great point about LE – not excatly known as a fun loving group

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  9. Eddie Haskell Avatar
    Eddie Haskell

    You can draw up all the fancy looking charts you want, but 79,000 California residents were busted for possession of pot last year. Shameful. An anti-pot zealot cannot be a libertarian, just another silly political hack. Go back to Germany, except you’re 70 years too late for your style.
    You Tea Party zealots have enough trouble on your hands, anyway. You stomp on an activists head in Kentucky. You go from computer to computer in the workplace to fix a poll and try to hide your idiocy. You try to deny there is separation of church and state. The Tea Party has lost all credibility, as you accept “anonymous” money from corporations and foriegn governments. You’re simply a front for pyramid schemes that you can’t wait to force upon your followers. Sir, you are the looney tunes of this election, Mr. I Am Not A Witch. And thanks for putting up the stupidest candidates in the history of this country. And thanks for supporting them.

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  10. RL Crabb Avatar

    Hey Paul, you know me well enough to know I’m no prude. If Prop 19 passes, I hope it all works out, but California isn’t Amsterdam. The problem with legislating by referendum is you end up with a hodge-podge of conflicting mandates. Be it drug cartels or Wall St., people will find a way to exploit the weaknesses in poorly written laws. Unintended consequences.
    There’s a weird irony in watching California trying so hard to become a part of Europe when the Europeans are desperately trying to get away from it.

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  11. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    Thanks Paul for pointing out the inconsistency between libertarian philosophy and practice.

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  12. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    There are two threads developing here, and we should have no problem with that other than to recognize them. One, the merits of Prop19 and the subject of this post. Two, how our individual stances toward Prop19 fit with the perceived notions of our belief systems. The first may yield some merit for those readers still deciding about the issue. The second would most likely be less interesting, unless debating each other’s political ideologies is the real intent.
    In the past we haven’t made much progress on the second point, because we don’t seem to connect and develop the offered arguments but continue to just repeat our own. But we can most certainly pursue/include the second thread within the loose bounds of civility that seem to be improving as time goes by.
    SteveF demonstrates this by building on Paul’s remark and ignoring my own on libertarian beliefs as they apply to local control. My contention was that libertarians don’t believe that ALL public policies and their resulting laws and regulations must be the purview of the smallest jurisdictions. Making that argument just stops the discussion. For a more complete view of an operational libertarian philosophy, please visit the Cato Institute.

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  13. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    This proposition is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I voted no because it appears to add more laws, more government, more taxes. Despite conventional belief prop 19 will decrease personal liberty. The laws on the books (with exception of Feds) already allow folks to grow and smoke; all one needs is a chronic headache, back pain, etc. Educated ‘Libertarians’ will vote no in hopes that a better drafted prop passes next round. Having said all of this, prop 19 (pass or fail) will NOT change my life in any way, shape or form; except maybe on more reason to be asked “show me your papers.”

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  14. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Good luck if you need a Uhaul trailer or an Avis suspicious van in the coming weeks. Our seemingly quiet neighborhood sees a spike in activity Oct25-Nov 5… it ain’t grapes they are harvesting.

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  15. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    George, did you happen to ask Royal if he typically sees an uptick in workload during harvest season? I know my glock is not the only one at attention during harvest season.

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  16. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    No Mikey, our conversation has been on the merits of the new law. But I agree with the notion that exploring new trails in the woods during harvest season is not a good idea unless you are part of a well-trained and equipped patrol.

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  17. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Today (Thursday) I interviewed Nevada County District Attorney Clifford Newell about his opposition to Proposition 19 for KVMR’s Evening News (89.5 FM). It will air around 6:10-6:15.

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  18. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Thanks Paul, this is a good way to cross-link the various media. I would recommend your sentiments be shared by my editor at the Union. Everyone would benefit.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Never trust a doper I always say.

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  20. Paul Emery Avatar
    Paul Emery

    Todd
    Having spent 20 years playing music in bars I came to appreciate the company of drunks. It was the most boring gig imaginable playing for pot smokers in Amsterdam that preferred staring at their tables to dancing and having fun. Give me the company of a happy drunk anytime as long as they don’t turn on you. Then you grab a mic stand and defend the stage. Dopers don’t seem to have enough ambition to start a fight.

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