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George Rebane

[This is the submitted form of my regular column which appears in today’s (9oct10) print and online editions of The Union.  I have posted other thoughts along this theme in The Great Divide category.]

Essayists and political commentators have been musing about the size and cohesion of America for decades, but in recent years the intensity and frequency of such articles has increased.  And since Barack Obama’s priorities and programs became clear, there is now an ongoing discussion in the public media about whether and how the United States should proceed toward a more manageable configuration of jurisdictions, or even sovereign nation-states.  These thought provoking essays appear in a broad range of publications from the Wall Street Journal to the periodic journals of public policy institutes and foundations.

In recent years every election season has revealed how markedly fragmented we have become as the country has spilled over the 300 million mark.  While our beliefs cover a broad range of tenets, these have more and more bunched themselves towards opposite ends of the political spectrum.  According to latest polls, about 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservatives, about 20% as liberals, and the remainder settle in the indeterminate middle.

What makes this ideological division historically critical is that it occurs during a time when our country is under an unimaginable debt burden incomprehensible to the large majority of its citizens.  It has unfunded obligations beyond any reasonable means of paying them down, an enormous annual deficit that must be bankrolled by foreign loans, and an educational system that has already produced two generations of voters who have little understanding of the country’s problems, and are without skills to compete for wealth producing jobs.

The left, beginning with President Obama, is convinced that raising taxes and increasing regulations this time will not reduce government revenues as it has in the past.  This explains their adamant promotion of such economy killers as California’s AB32 and the upcoming massive tax hike in January.  The President is on record promoting such hikes primarily “for the purpose of fairness.”

And if we add to this policies that include targeted bailouts and takeovers of corporations, the growth of governments, destructive trade wars to ‘save jobs’, and on and on, we see a country with two heads.  One wanting to go from where other nations are retreating, and the other saying that America should regain its capitalist roots and become competitive on the world markets with a newly educated workforce.  Contrary to last Saturday’s union “mandated” leftwing demonstrations on the Washington Mall to promote socialism, most Americans feel strongly that we need less government in our lives not more.

So today we read journals like Chronicles from the Rockford Institute that devotes its October issue to ‘the secession solution’.  Therein Emory University philosopher Donald Livingston reviews the problems with our size, population segments with widely differing worldviews, and the effective loss of representative government.  He cites our Founders’ ideas and prescriptions of how the individual states would keep the federal government from becoming the “Leviathan” described by Hobbes.

Few of us were taught that prior to Abe Lincoln’s suppression of the War for Southern Independence, much of our country was shaped by parts of existing states seceding in order to preserve the republicanism intended by the Founders and written into our Constitution.

Since the popularly known Civil War, power has steadily passed from the states to a ballooning central government that grows more and more out of touch with its several states.  And now, with the fiscal insolvency of our largest states, this concentration of power has grown into a rout that promises to leave the states little more than lines on a map.

Author Kirkpatrick Sale (Human Scale) cites statistics on the size versus beneficial governance of the world’s countries, and proposes what he modestly calls ‘Sale’s Law of Government Size’.  This states that “Economic and social misery increases in direct proportion to the size and power of the central government of a nation.”  We may want to take a look around, do another body count over the last couple of centuries, and think about that.

In the meanwhile, we prepare for elections that will set our course as far as we can see into the foggy future.  My own mind puzzles over our headlong rush to replicate the mistakes of the Great Depression as we await January and the largest tax increase in living memory.  Why are we doing this? And then I remember, it is all “for the purpose of fairness.”

George Rebane is a retired systems scientist and entrepreneur in Nevada County who regularly expands these and other themes on KVMR, NCTV, and Rebane’s Ruminations (www.georgerebane.com).

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28 responses to “Is America Too Big?”

  1. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    The problem with our I’m-not-a-socialist progressives is their brand of “fairness” brings the whole sea down rather than fix the leaky boats.

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  2. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    George wrote: “One wanting to go from where other nations are retreating, and the other saying that America should regain its capitalist roots and become competitive on the world markets with a newly educated workforce.”
    I think that’s a false dilemma George. There’s any number of categories of thought regarding where our citizens want to “go,” but there is a very large category of folks who do not even understand the question, which would preclude your either/or frame.
    Regardless, I am quite in agreement with Sale that “economic and social misery increases in direct proportion to the size and power of the central government of a nation.”

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  3. Russ Steele Avatar

    I am in agreement with Michael Anderson, most folks do not even understand the question. The election is only twenty some days away and many people on the street cannot even tell on the street reporters who the candidates are, let alone the important issues in the campaign. I am afraid we are getting the government we all deserve for being ignorant voters. I will be willing to bet that 90% of the voters could not read what George wrote and and then explain in their own words what he wrote. It will be interesting to read the comments in the Union. Let see if anyone gets what he wrote, or will most commenter create a straw man totally void of the issue to slay.

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  4. Russ Steele Avatar

    Here is classic example to bolster my first comment:
    spinoza
    7:03 AM on October 9, 2010
    Just about everything in this column is a half-truth or a fear-mongering right-wing talking point. It not worth wasting keystrokes refuting it all. Tax rates are at historic lows and letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy sunset I guess is the end of the world for mega-wealthy and their dupes. We will recover from THE GREAT BUSH RECESSION and S.S. and Medicare will fine with some minor adjustments. The 2 biggest threats to our country are the over-extended expensive military empire and our imported oil addiction.

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  5. RL Crabb Avatar

    George writes that 40% of America is conservative and 20% is liberal, leaving the other 40% of us to decide which bus we want to ride off the cliff. On almost every website I scan in my daily meanderings, I find a growing number of commenters who agree with me that it is time to get off both buses, push them off the cliff, and blaze a new trail that is paved with the few good ideas from both ideologies.

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  6. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Crabb, I jumped off the bus(es) years ago. I sincerely believe that a classic liberal or today’s libertarian is the ‘answer’ (trailblazer) you describe. Libertarians combine the best of both buses and torch the rest. Ditch the dems propensity to add debt AND the rights propensity to wage war, for example. On a larger scale, decrease the power of both unions (dems) and Corporations (reps) while empowering the individual.

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  7. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    America is not too big, just too confused. How can that be in “The Information Age”? Michael A and Russ identify the problem well. As for which bus to ride, only one promises to return us to our founding principles – the L bus, as Mickey points out. Here’s an interesting tool: World’s Smallest Political Quiz http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html. I topped the chart.

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  8. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    World’s Smallest Political Quiz
    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz if the above link does not open the quiz

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  9. Mike Sherman Avatar

    Excellent overview George. One solution is to use our own resources here in America. We have more trees than ever yet we import timber? Steel? Coming in from China. Oil? Well, we alfready know where a lot of that comes from. The solutions are out there, but gridlock prevails right now because both sides feel they have the right answer(s) to our problems. The issues are complicated and far too many are indifferent, ignorant, lazy and just don’t seems to care. After all, it is pretty darn important who the next judge is going to be for some reality show, right? Geez…America needs help!

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  10. Russ Steele Avatar

    Mike,
    Yes, we need help but we must buck up and help ourselves. It is going to be up to the citizens of this country to set the agenda and then execute it, starting with removing the ruling elites and replace them with common sense political leaders. The Tea Parties have open the door, now the rest of us have to get off our butts and demand the need reforms. Unless the citizens of the nation rise up, we are doomed to a long and slow decline like the many great nations that have gone before us. Corruption at the top has always been the poison that killed those great nations. We know the problem, the real answer is can we craft an effective treatment. I have serious doubts, because our uneducated and uninvolved citizens will continue to demand more from the government until there is nothing left to demand and then it is too late. We will become another third world nation in decline.

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  11. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Russ and Mike S.,
    Meanwhile in Washington D.C., this is the kind of sausage-making that really makes a person’s stomach turn.
    We may be on different sides of what should be America’s energy policy, but I think we can agree that this is not how to craft such a policy.
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/11/101011fa_fact_lizza

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  12. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Federalism is the answer. We must take back our Constitution to its root meaning and I think it will work itself out. The catalyst is deficits. With every state running huge debt. they are now focusing on Federalism and the Ninth and Tenth. We are where we are because we have lost control of our money and our property. State’s must implement Medicare, Medicaid and a gazillion other mandates from the Feds. This has now woken up legislatures and governors to what we at the county level have been screaming about for thirty years. We used to say amongst ourselves “just wait until the states have done to them what they are doing to us” then things will change.
    I think America’s greatness and its general cohesiveness is simple, we have a set of laws and principals we were all agreeing about. Well, special liberal interests, eco nuts and trial lawyers have smashed that and we need to realign our priorities and thinking to more realistic and practical life.We need to take back our country.

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  13. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    “We need to take back our country.”
    It’s a non-starter, Todd. This statement doesn’t mean anything. Take back the country from whom? Do certain entities “own” the country? Who are they, and what do you want to do about this alleged problem?
    No pablum, Todd.

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  14. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Todd, the pain required to sever state’s ties to the federal government would be extremely severe (blood in the streets). With debt being the biggest crisis (for countless reasons) and the feds holding the only printing press federalism is not an option. Our country has been hijacked by the unions and corporations. One ingredient for solution pie would be maximum contributions per tax id # (unions, pacs, corps, NGO’s, etc) and SS number of $1,000.

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  15. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I see another thoughtless and idiotic comment by MA. So childish.

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  16. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    You’re in a cage, Todd. You built it yourself. You put yourself in that cage, locked yourself in, and threw away the key.
    And you bellow from that cage of your own creation. The “lib saps!” and the “eco nuts!” blah blah blah.
    I have the key Todd. Shall I hand it to you? Or would you rather continue to bellow from your self-imposed imprisonment?

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  17. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    No cage total freedom. You are the thoughtless lefty with your DailyKos mantra. Grow up and maybe someone may listen to your ranting. I have a nice following on intelligent people, you can’t meet the grade. I am surprised you are out of your liberal prosin of mindless thoughts. Blah Blah Blah. I just love whipping liberals. They are so easy.

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  18. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Actually, the key is at your feet. All you have to do is pick it up, unlock the lock, and set yourself free. But my guess is that “whipping liberals” is the food that you’ve convinced yourself you need to survive. The choice is yours Todd, and I’m not judging you. Perhaps I’ve crossed a line in just pointing it out.

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  19. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN – HELL YA
    just say’in

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  20. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    MA is so funny! I am laughing can’t you hear? Liberals do have a sense of humor it appears. You need to get out of the home office more and off the sofa.

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  21. Russ Steele Avatar

    George is out of the country and he sent me a instant message by cellphone that he is having connectivity laptop problems. He ask me to let you know he will re-enter the conversation once the problem is solved.

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  22. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Tell him just to grab a beer and relax, we can fight amongest ourselves without him for awhile at least

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  23. Bob Hobert Avatar
    Bob Hobert

    My my, the all the pointless name calling and labeling. And I thought my posts were useless… Surely we agree on something. Can we agree on that?

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  24. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    That’s the problem, Bob. We can’t agree. I want freedom and liberty and the others want “social Justice” and some want “peace” and some want stability and some want mommy. We have different agendas and needs. That is really what this current blog topic is about. It’s very hard for some to drill down to what they actually want.

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  25. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    I like your posts Bob, but thats just me maybe

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  26. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Bob wrote: “It’s very hard for some to drill down to what they actually want.”
    Not really that hard. I want the gov’t to follow the US Constitution in a way that honors its original intent, comporting not “justice” with the “social” modifier (whatever that means), but just plain old JUSTICE.
    The Bill of Rights is all about JUSTICE. Endless wars, spying on citizens, economic collusion–all not supported by the Constitution.
    The TPP, the left, and libertarians, have a lot in common. Our system seeks to divide them instead of unite them.

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  27. Scott Obermuller Avatar

    No, Michael, that would be my quote and you didn’t read it correctly. I said it is hard for SOME to drill down. The bill of rights is about – rights ! Justice will be the follower of a free citizenry that have a powerful, but limited govt that exists to ensure those rights. I really don’t care about the TP or libertarians or any political party as much as I care about the Constitution.

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  28. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    The BOR is about the individual rights which the government cannot take from each of us. Justice is something adjudicated when those rights are questioned by others or the government. I am no TPP member but it seems they are about fiscal sanity not social issues.

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