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George Rebane

The more you redistribute,
the less you have to redistribute.

Socialism The very liberal truthout.com is absolutely frantic in its email seeking donations from its readers.  The fear of the conservatives they profess matches or exceeds anything equivalent I have seen coming from the right in reference to the left.  Here’s their opening (original emphasis) –

Tea Party candidates across the US have been winning primaries and are pushing the Republican Party even further to the extreme conservative fringe.

Our worst fears about the Tea Party appear to be coming true. The racism, disregard for reality, selfishness and enthusiasm for gun ownership has progressives lying awake at night, staring at the ceiling, wondering how hard it would be to move to an island. But the real question is: Why are the most extreme candidates on the right winning?

For the answer, turn on your radio and scan the AM stations. Right-wing talk radio is dominant. The hosts have spent hours every day spreading a conservative morality across the country. Just today, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh broadcast a combined six hours promoting Tea Party candidates and lambasting efforts to make wealthy Americans pay slightly higher taxes. Billionaires (and many millionaires) are funding these efforts in droves.

This is a pretty bleak picture the progressives have of us conservatives, and especially those of us who are connected to any of the multiple factions of the Tea Party movement.  (For the record, the Tea Party Patriots, the largest of the factions, does not endorse any candidates as a matter of policy.  That cannot be said for the Tea Party Express and FreedomWorks.)

Our views on the governance of a free (or not so free) society are literally 180 degrees out.  Both sides are scared to death of a future in which the values and mores of the other become the standard for society.  Never have so many disagreed about so much with each other.  We no longer debate issues because the ground rules each side follows originate from different realities.

The only ray of hope for a peaceful parting is that some progressives think they can create enough wealth to make it on their own.  Sadly they are a minority; the majority of progressives know in their heart of hearts that without the conservatives they will be fiscally on their collective butt.  Nevertheless, they remain convinced that the wealth created by the conservatives is really theirs – “Give them the wealth!  Give them the power!”  (Van Jones).  That this wealth creation will come to a grinding end once their fundamental transformation is in place never enters their mind.

Has anyone found any ‘middle ground’ lately?

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14 responses to “We Are Very Afraid of Each Other”

  1. Russ Steele Avatar

    We passed through the middle ground some time back in time on the road to serfdom.

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  2. Mikey McD Avatar

    George, the meat of your post is discussed daily within my circle. It gives rise to discussions ranging from “the great divide” to abolishing the I.R.S.
    To me every discussion on governance boils down to personal liberty (see Bastiat Triangle).
    It is refreshing to see a true grass roots effort (We the People) making such an impact against the establishment (namely, lobbyists, corp America and Unions). It proves again the brilliance of the American System.
    BTW, your artwork is EXACTLY how I view the current situation.

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  3. Mikey McD Avatar

    Middle ground???
    1.) Why is SS Mandatory and not optional?
    2.) I earn a dollar. Who does my dollar belong to?
    3.) Does the constitution allow for a law that requires employers to withhold and pay taxes for their employees?
    4.) Can you borrow enough to get yourself out of debt?
    5.) Should the government have a right to know about what goes on in your bedroom? your doctors office?
    6.) would you encourage/allow your child to discriminate against a ‘poor’ child at school? how about a ‘rich’ child?

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  4. Dixon Cruickshank Avatar
    Dixon Cruickshank

    Actually if you think about it they were doing pretty good by just poking a finger in our side every now and then. When Obama was elected they hit the conservatives with a stick and it was game on, no mingling with natives anymore and you had to pick sides. JMHO

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  5. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    As a Libertarian Progressive, I’ve made a conscious effort not to choose sides. Also, “choosing sides” tends to assume that there are only two. It’s much more complicated than that.
    The Great Divide is an interesting exercise in venting frustration for all “sides” feeling disenfranchisement, but it’s not very realistic given that the divide is in every town, city, county, and state. The divide exists even within the individual (unless he is a self-professed ideologue, that is;-)
    There’s lots everyone agrees upon: we’re eating the seed corn, politicians generally suck because political systems are broken, tax reform is urgently needed, our economy is in trouble, etc.
    I prefer to discuss tweaks and fixes upon which we can reach consensus rather than claiming that the sky is falling and there is nothing to be done.

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  6. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    MichaelA – excellent; then we can expect you to outline the common ground from which “tweaks and fixes” may profitably be applied. The current crop of politicians apparently don’t have a clue, and ‘consensus’ seems to be an historical term whose meaning is lost in the mists.
    As a notions to consider in evaluating how “realistic” is the Great Divide, in addition to the present state of gerrymandering in the US, I offer Pakistan/India in 1947 – during which about 500,000 were joyously killed – and the many, many culturally powered mass migrations that preceded it. (‘It can’t happen here, we’re Americans!’)
    Finally, being somewhat familiar with the belief tenets of Progressives and of Libertarians, what are the coherent belief tenets of a Libertarian Progressive?

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  7. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    Libertarian Progressive is an oxymoron.
    Like saying pro-individual collectivist?

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  8. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Mikey – you are prematurely pessimistic. I’m sure that MichaelA will show us the art of the possible.

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  9. Nuff said Avatar
    Nuff said

    Middle ground???
    1.) Why is SS Mandatory and not optional?
    Now or then? Now? Because no politician has the guts to even begin to seriously touch this third rail.
    2.) I earn a dollar. Who does my dollar belong to?
    It’s all yours … after you help pay for fire and rescue, law enforcement, schools, roadways, postal service, military defense … and everything else you make use of provided through your taxes. Otherwise, stay home and work that self-sufficient farm of yours.
    3.) Does the constitution allow for a law that requires employers to withhold and pay taxes for their employees?
    Yes.
    4.) Can you borrow enough to get yourself out of debt?
    No.
    5.) Should the government have a right to know about what goes on in your bedroom? your doctors office?
    No, which is why abortion, gay marriage and the rest of the wedge issues have no real place in governmental discussion.
    6.) would you encourage/allow your child to discriminate against a ‘poor’ child at school? how about a ‘rich’ child?
    No.

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  10. RL Crabb Avatar

    You want to know what a Progressive Libertarian is? I’ll take a shot at it…
    We are the people who want to find a balance between individual freedom and obligation to our neighbors and country. We believe that government has a role to play but sometimes gets too big for their britches. We are likely to register as decline to state, and take a certain amount of pleasure in seeing that neither party wields too much power for too long.
    And there are more of us every year.

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  11. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Bob, so far it seems what you have said is something that every Conservative Libertarian also wants to achieve – I most certainly do. But these are objectives (as opposed to belief tenets) that even many Progressives would claim for their own. In short, I find little here that I can use to differentiate between Progressive Libertarians, Conservative Libertarians, and Progressives. But I am glad that there is more than one Progressive Libertarian walking among us since both you and MichaelA are fine gentlemen.

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  12. Mikey McD Avatar
    Mikey McD

    My thoughts exactly- “Bob, so far it seems what you have said is something that every Conservative Libertarian also wants to achieve – I most certainly do.” The question (and grounds for the rivalry highlighted in Rebane’s post) becomes HOW to reach said goal?

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  13. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    What RL Crabb said. But I will explicate further once my day job has been put to bed.

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  14. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I think by our nature, a conservatives has libertarian blood flowing in the veins too. However, humans beings want to be in charge of something and politics was a way to be in charge(without bloodshed) . What progressives want is to have it both ways. More government and less government. That is why they need medication. If one takes the time to look at the California budget, you would see that every aspect of our lives is being regulated in it somewhere. That all costs money, our money, and that is why we are having a mini revolution across the USA. Too much control by government.

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