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Stan Meckler Responds

01 August 2010

[Stan emailed the following piece to me. I am posting it with his permission (encouragement actually) in response to the recent comment thread on my 18jul10 'Who is a Racist?' post.]

Stan Meckler

As you may not know, I do not go to the blogs. The reason is these people who sit at home and bitch, complain, call names, and offer nothing positive to any discussion, are of no interest to me. I have offered to met with any of them, in the light of day, but they have no interest. Jeff PellStine and Steve Enos are just two of the many that I have tried to meet. Why won't they meet? What are they afraid of? Are they scared of the truth? They should meet and show me the facts they have to prove their points.

As the President of the Nevada County Tea Party Patriots I am willing to meet with anybody from any group. All they have to do is email me and we'll set it up. I have met with the heads of the Democrats, Libertarians, Republicans, a member of Move On, and many others. Why won't the liberal bloggers meet?

We now have almost 2,000 members in Nevada County. We have over 18 million members nationally. We have over 2,500 chapters of Tea Party Patriots around the country and are adding 50 chapters a week. We are the largest grassroots organization in the history of the USA. If you want to see the survey results from Gallup, Rasmussen, ABC, CBS and the Wall Street Journal, I'll bring them with me. The latest polls show that Liberals make up just 20% of the voters in this country. Moderates are moving to the right at a rapid rate. What facts can you bring to the table?

Let's talk about Mandy Morello. Mandy Morello is not a founder of the Tea Party Patriots. I have been there since the beginning on April 27, 2009 and she wasn't there. I was! She was at an event on April 15th, 2009 as a photographer. I know Mandy and I like her. But, if she says she was one of the founding members, it just ain't so no matter what her blog says.

Am I biased in favor of my son, Mark Meckler? You bet I am! But, anyone that actually knows us, not the lies that are told, will tell you that we are honorable people. Meet us and find out for yourselves. Do you have the courage to do so? Or, are you going to sit in the dark and continue to type hatred?

Posted in Current Affairs, Nevada County, Our Country

101 responses to “Stan Meckler Responds”

Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

No one cares about your opinion so go sit on your scanner.

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pam silleman

02 August 2010

Just to sum it up…….Mark Meckler IS a problem………..
Most all of us get along fine, better than fine actually. So, it is good that a Mark Meckler came around….NOW we know what we don’t want: we dont’ want a leader like Mark Meckler………we DO NOT need a leader or spokesman!
Mark is an angry bossy power control freak.
He fooled me for a while………….but, after his rank and lies about Larry/Alex and how he totally screwed over Mandy, I cut myself off from him.
THEN< I realized that most all of the No Cal TPP groups had already pulled away from him for one reason or the other.
But, we all kept quiet for a long time…………..NOT ANYMORE!
OPEN the books Mark……….show us your books! You have collected all of the national donations and all I have seen you spend the money on is to sue Amy and Jason!
Mark, you are NO team player. YOU are the problem, for goodness sake.PLEASE QUIT!! Your heart is not in the ‘movement’. you think of just Mark and keeping the power and control of the money.
the Truth will set you FREE!….AND IF YOU WOULD QUIT, you would set us all free!

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Russ Steele

02 August 2010

Steve,
You are the great agent provoker, you do not give a damn about the success of the Tea Party. In the past you have disparaged the Tea Party idea and concept, now you all in favor of freeing them from the evil Meckler’s. Why? What is your real purpose? Destruction of the Tea Party by inciting internal conflict?
What is next?

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Jennifer Rockwell

02 August 2010

Maybe it’s time for a fresh perspective. At the request of Mandy, I have been following all of these blogs and comments for the last day and a half. She asked that I come on here and comment, but I felt that Pam, Laura, Larry and Mandy had things well under control. Unlike Pam, Laura, Mandy, & Larry, I have not been involved in the grassroots movement for the last year and a half, other than receiving emails from TPP, TPE, iCaucus, etc. I started to get more active in March 2010 when I learned of Larry Naritelli. Shortly after, I earned the position of his Northern California campaign manager and my eyes were opened to who Mark Meckler really is and what he is really about.
I have no dog in this fight. I’ve never been a “Tea Party Patriot”. The only “Tea Party” functions I ever attended were on the campaign trail with the Naritelli campaign.
I don’t think Meckler denies that he did in fact send out an email to TPP members all across California stating that the Naritelli campaign had threatened him and Dawn Wildman. He stated in that email that he contacted the FBI. If he did actually contact the FBI, they certainly never contacted the Naritelli campaign. And they didn’t contact us, because NO THREATS WERE EVER MADE!
I don’t need to rehash details. If you haven’t read the details, you can here: http://republicdefender.ning.com/profiles/blogs/scandal-in-the-california
The fact of the matter is that Mark Meckler is a bully. If people don’t do what he says, he throws a fit and threatens to sue…or actually does sue. He is divisive and causes strife. It appears that his goal is to make as much money as he can on this movement and then when he can’t make any more money, he’ll try to take it down. I have no problem with him making money. My question is: What is Meckler doing with all the money he collects? When people donate to TPP or pay the minimum $10 a month to be apart of the Tea Party Patriots 1st Brigade, what is that money going to support? Meckler has refused to support candidates or really get behind any ballot measures? So what is the money for?
My only goal here is to be one more voice WARNING people about Mark Meckler. I’m a relatively new voice and even I know that Meckler is bad news. Meckler only cares about Meckler. Period!
Jen Rockwell
http://newreaganpatriots.com
iCaucus District 3 Coordinator

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Perfect Russ… you and the other Meckler Protectors attack me and others vs. addressing the real issues raised by Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern and Pam Silleman.
Why don’t you respond to the issues raised? Why don’t you address the issues raised vs. trying to spin and deflection? What is YOUR real purpose Russ?
Why are you running cover for the Meckler’s, can’t they respond and speak for themselves?
I bet you are one of the Tea Party members that received the email from Mark Meckler seeking “donations” for his “PERSONAL” use.
Russ did you give money to Mark Meckler for his “personal use” just like we have now learned that George Rebane did? Care to disclose that?
Russ, how about addressing the import issues being raised here? How about you talk to your buddy Mark Meckler and have him stand up for himself?
How about asking Mark Meckler to, as Pam just asked… “OPEN the books Mark……….show us your books! You have collected all of the national donations and all I have seen you spend the money on is to sue Amy and Jason!”
Russ, attack me, attack Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern and Pam Silleman all you want, but it won’t change a thing… people are standing up for what is right and it seems you are not one of those people.

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

@Russ- re:
Steve,
You are the great agent provoker, you do not give a damn about the success of the Tea Party. In the past you have disparaged the Tea Party idea and concept, now you all in favor of freeing them from the evil Meckler’s. Why? What is your real purpose? Destruction of the Tea Party by inciting internal conflict?
What is next?
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LMAO!!! Mark Meckler HIMSELF has CREATED this conflict. We are INSIDERS. We are PATRIOTS. Mark is a control-freak megalomaniac. Mark/TPP is BUILDING just another bureaucracy, isn’t that what the Tea Party movement is SUPPOSED TO BE CONDEMNING, elitist, UNELECTED bureaucracies?
Starfish talk, and Spider walk.
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Hey, Sarah, what IS your last name? (I think I know.) Mandy should be able to know who her accusers are. We’ve put our fannies on the line for principle, now why don’t you do the same? Otherwise you get the “Meh” award.

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

PS- I have 39,000 emails in my inbox and all the replies to them (if I sent any)…not on purpose, I’m just kinda lazy that way.
Want the whole can opened? Keep it up, TPP/Mark, and any name-callers that might pop up.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Now Russ Steele, George Rebane, Barry Pruett, Todd Juvinall, Sara H. and the other “Meckler Protectors” (MPs’) will need to add Jen Rockwell to their growing hit list.
Time for the MP’s to try and attack and discredit Jen too. Maybe they should start by calling Jen a “Benedict Arnold” just like they did to Mandy Morello.
When this many conservative folks, with inside and direct knowledge, folks that have a histroy with Mark Meckler raise the same issues and ask the simple question that Jen Rockwell just asked… “What is Meckler doing with all the money he collects?” it should sound an alarm bell!
So where’s Mark Meckler? Is he firing up his word processor to starting new law suits against all the folks here that are raising these issues?

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Russ Steele

02 August 2010

Steve,
I have heard a lot of opinions and no evidence. Where are the facts? Can you point to some facts, all I am haring are opinions. I will be glad to address the facts. What I know is that the original concept for the Tea Party was a spider web of organizations, with no central structure. That did not work out, so the transitions was more more central management, which has created some conflicts. We are seeing evidence of those conflicts on this page. Mark is a co-leader. I do not hear any complaints about the other leaders listed on the web page.
The National Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator Team includes Debbie Dooley, Mike Gaske, Rob Gaudet, Jenny Beth Martin, Mark Meckler, Sally Oljar, Diana Reimer, and Dawn Wildman. All check in support of the organization go to Tea Party Patriots
1025 Rose Crk 620-322, Woodstock, GA 30189 Are all these people guilty of fraud as Mark’s co-consperitors? Really? You evidence is?
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. operates as a social welfare organization organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. They have specific reporting requirement, use the tool the IRS provides look the their books.
Who I donate money to is none of your business. If you thought my comments were an attack, you need to man up dude. This is not a second grade school yard, it is a discussion forum.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

“man up” you say Russ?…
Seems Laura, Pam, Jennifer and Mandy are the ones with the “stones” here, not the “Meckler Protectors”.
This is why I think women should run things… these women have “stones”!

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

Russ-
The email that Mandy posted isn’t enough proof of the control issues Meckler has? Or is Ginny one of “traitors” too?
What-E-ver, we all know the truth. I don’t know who you are, but blind loyalty to people and groups (or parties), rather than critical thinking, is exactly why we are where we are today in America. I see ZERO difference with people on the “right” who stand with self-promoters they are emotionally attached to, and Obamabots. Be they Palinbots, Mecklerbots, GOPbots, CRPbots, etc.

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Laura Boatright

03 August 2010

Mickey McD, re: This petty TP drama does not concern me (or you)- it is nothing more than a bunch of egos run amok. FOCUS: WE need solutions (which I’ve offered consistently), not drama.
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Here’s the deal: THE ONES IN THIS “SCHOOLYARD THREAD” HAVE PRODUCED REAL *RESULTS in their areas of CA…Mark has trophies with his name AND TITLE on them from GOP/RINO head honchos, alienated and threatened organizers, Stan has 2000 contacts, TPP has access to Michael Steele and the newly formed “Tea Party Caucus” (sham, GOP usurpation) in congress …oh, and really cool tee shirts and yardsigns. Let’s not forget that.
You decide who is doing what to restore our Republic.

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Steve Enos

03 August 2010

There is one personal missing from this discussion… and that’s Mark Meckler.
Will Mark Meckler address the folks and the issues they have raised here or… ?

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

Mark Meckler is not the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party ideology…fiscal responsibility by the government, adherance to the Constitution, and capitalism is more important than the whole bunch of commenters on these blogs…and my fellow patriots that are commenting here know that the movement is more important than any of us. Enos…nice try to cloud the issue in your effort to wreck the Tea Party. The movement will continue no matter how much you scream about Mark. That is the beauty of the Tea Party movement. There is no head to chop off…but you go ahead and keep trying to find one. If Mark, Laura, Mandy, or any of the leaders quit today…the Tea party would keep going like the Energizer bunny.

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Steve Enos

03 August 2010

You bet Barry Pruett. Just keep attack those raising the issues about Mark Meckler, just attack folks that are brave and standing up to shed the light. Join the attack on Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern, Jen Rockwell and Pam Silleman, disparage and disregard them and what they say.
You are running cover for Mark Meckler, you help the “Meckler Protectors” here that disparage Mandy Morello by calling her a “Benedict Arnold” vs. addressing the issues these folks raise.
Instead of attacking these folks how about you ask Mark Meckler to show up and respond to the issues? Maybe you don’t want that to happen considering who your wife works for, that being Tom McClintock.
Yep, attack the folks that raise legitimate concerns about Mark Meckler, where the Tea Party donations are going, how Mark Meckler used the Tea Party membership list to reach out to the members seeking donations for his “Personal use”, ignore all that Mr. Pruett and get back to Tom McClintock and let him know you are working hard to help protect Mark Meckler.
It’s a shame to see the “Meckler Protectors” attack folks like Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern, Jen Rockwell and Pam Silleman, it’s clear who the real “Benedict Arnold” is and it isn’t Mandy Morello!
The solution?… Mark Meckler can respond to the issues raised here… right here and now… unless he has something to hide… which sure seems to be the case based on what has been exposed here.

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

I support everyone that is commenting here on their methods to get out the message about the Tea party movement. What I do not support is your (Enos’) effort to divide the movement. All here need to know that Enos is a Tea Party hater whose only goal is to hurt the Tea Party. He has found a fissure and he is trying to exploit it.
I support the Tea Party and am not involved on the organizational level. Hell, I voted for Larry and was endorsed by the GOP Trumpter. My only goal in commenting here is to smoke you out.

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Steve Enos

03 August 2010

Well Barry… seems you might be smoking something all right and that isn’t me or those raising important issues about Mark Meckler.
How about you denounce those folks above that have been bashing on Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern, Jen Rockwell and Pam Silleman for speaking out?
How about you name the folks above that have been bashing these folks trying to cover up the issues they raise?
How about you address the issues instead of trying to make this all about me? Barry I’m meaningless, it’s the issues these folks raise that are the REAL issue.
How about you call Tom McClintock and have him talk to Mark Meckler and ask Mark to face these folks and the issues they raise… right here, right now!
I know you have a direct connection to Tom McClintock considering your wife is his rep here in Nevada County.
Try addressing the issues these folks raised Barry as it’s not about me… it’s about Mark Meckler.

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Steve Enos

03 August 2010

Over on Barry Pruett’s blog there is a new post by Todd Juvnall, a “Meckler Protector” and Barry Pruett’s buddy. This post claims the folks here raising the issues about Mark Meckler are… being paid to do so!
“After reviewing the numbers of TPP members, it is apparent they are a huge success. Mr. Meckler is a big part of that. I would say the critics of him are probably being paid illicitly to demean him and the TPP. Follow the money of the critics. August 3, 2010 9:48 AM”
This is so far over the top. So these “Meckler Protectors” say Mandy Morello is a “Benedict Arnold” and now Todd juvinall claims those raising concens here about Mark Meckler are “being paid illicitly to demean him and the TPP”.
Yikes! They will stop at nothing and say anything to protect Mark Meckler.

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

It is plainly clear to everyone reading these posts. You have an agenda.
1. Destroy the Tea Party
I have an agenda to…
1. Fiscal conservatism
2. The Constitution
3. Capitalism
These disputes do not concern me, as I have but the three interests above. I will not pass judgment on anyone.
I do agree with you on one thing…Mandy, Larry, and Laura are wonderful people for taking time out of their lives to do what I do not have time to do. Let me be the first on this thread to thank them for supporting and working the Tea Party movement. Steve…please tell them that they are doing a wonderful job for our country by fighting for the ideals for which the Tea Party stands…

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Steve Enos

03 August 2010

Yes Barry they are… I have stood up to the “Meckler Protectors” here that have been bashing them and refusing to address the isues they raise… why won’t you do the same?
I love fiscal conservatism and OUR Constitution. As an elected representative I was a hard fiscal conservative. I konw that the government uses ansd wastes the peoples hard earned money… the same hard earned money some say Mark Meckler is using for his gain. Mark Meckler should address these concerns here if he has nothng to hide.
I also like folks that claim to be leaders to be held accountable to the people they claim to lead. Mark Meckler is not doing that and eveyone here should be demanding that from Mark Meckler vs. attacking those that raise these important issues.

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Jennifer Rockwell

03 August 2010

Oh Barry – I don’t know Steve or what his motive is, but I assure you…NONE of us (Mandy, Laura, Larry, Pam, me, etc) are going anywhere! As hard as Meckler tries to tear us down while trying to hold a tight grip on what he seems to think is HIS movement (and his alone), the harder we will fight to keep the movement alive and going full steam ahead!
Mark Meckler is merely a speed bump on the road that is this Grassroots Movement. Yeah, he might momentarily slow us down, but once we are over him, we are over him. Moving on!
Jen Rockwell
http://newreaganpatriots
iCaucus District 3 Coordinator

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

I am glad that you finally admitted to being a Tea Party supporter Steve!
Jen…sorry that I forgot to add you to the list. Thank you for your work too. I was making an analogy to the “Starfish” and intended no disrespect.
I have said my piece…have fun with the last word SETPS (“Steve Enos Tea Party Supporter”).

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Michael Anderson

03 August 2010

Barry wrote re. Steve Enos:
“It is plainly clear to everyone reading these posts. You have an agenda.
1. Destroy the Tea Party”
Not quite. If I can be so bold as to speak for Steve E. (correct me if I’m wrong, Steve), he wants the tea party (lower case, embracing all the groups) to succeed in order to dilute the electoral power of the GOP. It’s his belief that the tea party represents a radical fringe of conservative voters, and that as they ascend with unfocused political power the GOP-backed candidates will lose votes.
My opinion is that in the privacy of the voting booth, tea party members will vote overwhelmingly for GOP candidates. That’s why the GOP just formed a Tea Party Caucus. Members of the various tea parties can talk all they want about being above the fray and non-partisan, but on election day they still have to vote for someone. That someone will most likely be the leading conservative candidate in a given race.
This long discussion eerily reminds me of some of the all-smoke-and-no-light debates back in 2000 when Democrats were losing their minds over Ralph Nader and various Green Party candidates who were diluting the liberal vote, which handed the presidency to George Bush. I wonder if members of the tea party are able to see the similarity.
I just checked the tally and Larry Naritelli received 2.3% of the Republican vote, third place behind Poizner and Whitman. Again, a lot of Sturm und Drang over a measly 24,033 votes.

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

Michael…point well taken as to Enos.
Again, I agree with you that Tea Party people will overwhelmingly vote for conservative candidates. The Tea Party ideology is one that embodies conservative philosophical thought (more so than the establishment parties who are all about power). I would love to see a conservative Democrat support the Tea Party. It just so happens that most conservatives are Republican or independent.

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Paul Emery

03 August 2010

A recent Gallop Poll shows that 80% of Tea Party affiliates are Republicans and have voted Republican in the last three election cycles. The poll indicates that they will vote Rupublican in the next election. 12% are Democrats and only 8% are Independents. This indicates to me that the Tea Party is the same Conservative faction of the Republican Party with a different logo.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/tea-party-supporters-overlap-republican-base.aspx

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Barry Pruett

03 August 2010

By defintion, if only 80% of Tea Partiers and Republican and 20% are either Democrat or Independent (i.e. other parties), the Tea Party cannot be the “same old Conservative faction of the Republican Party with a different logo,” because 20% of the members are not Republican.
Considering most Republicans are conservative, you would expect 80%. Considering most Democrats are liberal, you would likewise expect 12%.
The numbers do say one thing for sure…100% of the Tea Partiers are conservative in one way, shape, or form, and the TP clearly cuts across party lines.

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Paul Emery

03 August 2010

Here’s more from the poll. You can read whatever you want into it.
“While Tea Party supporters are not universal in their backing of Republican candidates, they skew heavily in that direction. About 80% of Tea Party supporters say they will vote for the Republican candidate in their district, slightly lower than the projected 95% Republican vote among conservative Republicans.
This suggests that the potential impact of the Tea Party on Republican chances of winning in congressional and senatorial races this fall — even if supporters turn out in record numbers — may be slightly less than would be expected.”

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Todd Juvinall

03 August 2010

Barry, what the detractors are doing is actually helping the Tea Party and the Republicans. By trying to sow dissension about the Tea Party and implementing the bidding of Pelosi/Obama/Reid I couldn’t have called a better strategy for growth! And it is working! By trashing the Tea Party, Americans of good will, those that are tired of the lies and distortions of the left (thank you Obamacare)and all the left wing name calling, are being driven into the arms of the Tea Party. My experience with politics showed me that people will do the exact opposite to what these lefty’s are trying to accomplish. Enos and the rest, by trash talking the real Americans, are being tuned out by those real Americans and they don’t even know it. Anyway, there is more to the human brain than these liberals think and I say, let Enos and the rest just keep on trash talking, it is a great recruitment tool for America!

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Michael Anderson

03 August 2010

One thing for sure, the marketing arm of the tea party is ramping up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEGt44JVj8

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George Rebane

03 August 2010

Are the TP members just Republicans working under a “different logo”. This cuts to the heart of the TP movement. I have weighed in here and invite your thoughts.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/08/tea-party-member-republican.html

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Michael Anderson

04 August 2010

It’s all about the moderates in American politics. Always has been, always will be.
I think this is a fact that a lot of tea party members are inconveniently forgetting. I don’t begrudge the tea party their venting platform any more than I begrudged the Ralph Naderites or the Green Party in 2000 their venting platforms. Without our fringes there really isn’t anything to discuss.
But at the end of the day, we have to vote for somebody. And that somebody is usually a moderate, someone who isn’t going to get all crazy-wiggy on us. Someone who isn’t going to jeopardize our livelihoods, someone who isn’t going to lead us into unnecessary wars, someone who isn’t going to suspend the US Constitution, someone who isn’t going to besmirch our trust by bagging interns.
Now that I’m older, I realize that American politics is actually as simple as a game of Yahtzee (a dice game for ages 8-and-up). It’s all about the middle and adding up the numbers. Jeff Pelline has been banging this drum all year, to his credit, and he’s been taking a beating for it. But he’s right.
Let’s hear what Chuck Schumer has to say about it: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/02/100802fa_fact_toobin
Chuck writes: “To do health care was a noble, good thing, and it will help America dramatically…[But] seventy-five per cent of Americans have health care that they are fundamentally–I wouldn’t say happy with, but not unhappy with it.”
Chuck is the ultimate pragmatist. He fought for the middle in 2006 and 2008, and the Dems will do so again in 2010. The tea party has yet to address this simple electoral fact.

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Barry Pruett

04 August 2010

Michael. I agree with you. The political football game has historically been fought “between the 40 yard lines.” It is currently a perception with conservatives Americans that Obama is trying to push the ball down to the 20 (on the left side of the field)…hence the blowback in the polls and the Tea Party movement.
That being said, there is a balance, like tug-of-war. You need to have the hard right to counter the hard left and vice versa. That is what keeps the ball between the 40’s.

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Todd Juvinall

04 August 2010

Missouri voted 71-29 to boot Obamacare yesterday. Guess who carried the water for the ballot measure in the Show Me State? The Tea Party.

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Steve Enos

04 August 2010

Notice there is one person missing for this disscussion”
That would be Mark Meckler. Why doesn’t the Meckler the “Leader” step up and respond to the folks raising issues here, conservative, hard working for the cause folks like… Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern, Jen Rockwell and Pam Silleman.
These foks have raised a number of real issues that Meckler the Leader should address… why no accountability required from Mark Meckler?

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Jack Armstrong

30 August 2010

As a retired Probation Officer I can read character and personality disorders and know when I am being conned. These people are detractors inciting internal conflict aligning with a small group that seeks power in the TP Movement. Outing leader Meckler is the game plan. They are fracturing the movement. They can post that they are leaders and founders all day long and not convince me …. they are new to the circuit selling themselves as fringe groups do. Just because they say so does not make it so and their intent is questionable.
Just a heads up to you good honest patriots, this small group has created “Citizens for Constitutional Liberty” a new political action committee(PAC) http://ccl4you.blogspot.com/ with Mandy Morello graduating into a partnership with Mark Williams, the ranting conservative talk show host who was ousted from TPE.
Mandy Morello, Sacramento Tea Party stated that “We have real work to do in order to help save this nation. There are still about 30% nationwide that are still under Obama’s spell ….looks like the same rings true for the morons following Meckler”. Calling patriots morons? I would not follow this person out of a fire.
Addressing the one that repeatedly self promotes is a concern. It is all about her. Honest and trustworthy people do not have to convince with pretentious self-posturing in an aggressive display. I read an underling threat in those posts. This is a con job.
CONDUCT: INTEGRITY, PRINCIPLES.
They ALL know me, and my integrity is UNQUESTIONABLE.
HONEST AND VERY, VERY FORTHRIGHT.
I don’t solicit funds from my contacts.
“Want the whole can opened? Keep it up, TPP/Mark, and any name-callers that might pop up.”
“I’d prefer to concentrate on exposing the REAL “Cracker Party”
“I know Alinsky tactics when I see them, better yet, I know how to wield them too.”
Scary stuff using Alinsky tactics against American patriots that disagree. Don’t give it another thought Laura Boatwright.
Journalists, lawyers, politicians hold threadbare trust ratings among Americans. They make poor leaders in the Tea Party Movement.
As Socrates said, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

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Laura Boatright

03 September 2010

@Jack Armstrong- “Addressing the one that repeatedly self promotes is a concern. It is all about her. Honest and trustworthy people do not have to convince with pretentious self-posturing in an aggressive display. I read an underling threat in those posts. This is a con job.”
Hilarious! Ask Mark Meckler YOURSELF who I am.
Then, understand that when I brought true concerns about the focus and direction of Tea Party Patriots to him and other members of the board, he “went Alinsky” on ME!
HOOT of the day:
re: Todd Juvinall- “After reviewing the numbers of TPP members, it is apparent they are a huge success. Mr. Meckler is a big part of that. I would say the critics of him are probably being paid illicitly to demean him and the TPP. Follow the money of the critics. August 3, 2010 9:48 AM”
I just checked, I have 34 bucks in the bank. Yeah, knock yourself out “following the money.” LMBO!

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Mandy Morello

03 September 2010

@Jack Armstrong- “Journalists, lawyers, politicians hold threadbare trust ratings among Americans. They make poor leaders in the Tea Party Movement.” Like I said above, I have never called myself a leader nor have I pretended to be one… Mark (a lawyer) can’t go anywhere without announcing he is the “National Co-Founder of the Tea Party Patriot.”
I have been close friends with the Meckler Clan for over a year, but they are no longer the same people they were when we first met. The separation from them is so much more than a “business separation” this is very personal …they were my friends and their betrayal to me and to other Patriots goes far beyond unacceptable, it is heart-wrenching that these people I have fought with and defended tooth and nail when they were being wronged, are so self-centered as to basically say people involved in making the TPP what it is today, never were a part of it!
As for Mark Williams, I was right with Mark and Patty when we attacked Mark Williams for his original post about Mark Meckler…because the movement was so new people didn’t see Mark Meckler as the sole leader of the movement just a fellow Tea Partier and we saw it as an attack on one of our own. Williams and I(and many other Tea Partiers) have obviously moved past all that in order to get some real work done…in order to take the movement into action by unifying grassroots groups together, something Tea Party Patriots have never been successful at. If Mark Williams, “the ranting conservative talk show host who was ousted from TPE,” was so vile and horrible, why is he still being asked to speak at events and host radio shows? The answer is because he is the only one that is willing to do what nobody else will do, Yell out the “emperor has no clothes!” I respect Mark Williams for what he has done for this country, Mark Williams is the true leader of the California Tea Party.I have never once heard him call himself the leader of the Tea Party movement or the leader of an organization…for business purposes he called him co-chair… but never called himself founder or leader. Mark Meckler didn’t get up on the Flowerbed and get people riled up, Mark Meckler first spoke at the 2009 tax day rally but who got people to actually come to the rally? Mark Williams using his voice! Those are little known facts that we have let quietly fade into distant memory, kinda like the way our history teachers are trying to skew real American History.
As for “follow the money,” Laura I think you are about $40 richer than I am!LOL
You want to follow the money, check this out and follow the money on your own:‎
1. I was told Sacramento/Nor Cal is asking for $2000 from individual groups to help fund this 9-12 rally… this rally is put on by the National Tea Party Patriots with help from the Nor Cal Tea Party Patriots…. National is receiving money from all the merchandise they sell and from the donations to their national website… they do not help individual group, nor do they help candidates, so where is the money going?
2. Here is the flier: http://media.tripod.lycos.com/preview/2044891/1024×1024-1284636.jpg
“McClellan Park will be selling food and beverages on site. Please, no coolers or ice chests will be allowed. Bring chairs, shade (any pop-ups need to be on the perimeter to allow everyone a line of site to the stage)hats, sunscreen and your signs! Other Tea Party groups are invited to set up information booths, but PLEASE, no merchandise or soliciting for contact information or donations. ”
Tell me how are the individual groups going to grow if the national is the only one to collect names/donations or even help spread the word about what is going on in their neighborhoods?
3. The Donation video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qNEI6DxSFQ&feature=player_embedded this video is being seen on Youtube and sent around to their email list that they claim is over a million emails strong…even if they got half their email list to average $3 each (because some people will send more than $3) that equals $1.5 million.
4. The “300” donors that purchase tickets for $1000 and $2000 per rally- http://www.teapartypatriots.org/912/300.aspx That is $300,000 just for that one thing alone.
5. These events are staffed by “volunteers.” The only “paid” person is Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin and the hard costs that the stage sound and video tech people will be charging. The entire 2010 Tax Day rally cost $32,929. This covered everything from advertising on Rush Limbaugh/Sac Bee to Jumbotrons to Insurance and Porta-potties.
6. These totals above only touch on this one rally. This does not include the merchandise or donations they collect on a daily basis. The TPP do not help candidates, so what is all this money going for? They do not have a paid staff, so what is all this money going towards? Individual groups…I don’t think so! Pam Silliman from Napa Tea party received an email that one of the groups asked her how to be a non-profit and (not being a lawyer herself) replied call Mark Meckler – they paused, said they had and he told them he would help for a fee!
7. The National/State and Nor Cal TPP tells all the groups that they are a 501(c)4 organization so they cannot back candidates…. fine but that non-profit status does not cover individual groups! If you want to get involved with a candidate in your area and endorse a candidate, get involved and take action in your area! TPP says they do not want to tell people how to vote for candidates, but they have no problem telling you how to vote on issues. A group was quoted as saying “98% of the Statewide Coordinators agreed not to endorsed candidates because they do not want to back anyone because they do not know what they will do after they are elected.” in addition to that statement, ” If we hold out from endorsing the candidates, we will still be in control and have their ear.” NEWSFLASH TPP- the election will be there if you vote or not, I for one want to make sure the most conservative candidates gets elected. This mentality gave us Meg Whitman as the GOP nominated candidate for Gov..who’s ear do they have now? As for the comment about having power and the ear of the candidates, guess what candidates only listen to those that help them get elected. You don’t help YOU HAVE NO POWER! Think of it as the guy or girl you wanted to date, if you continually snub them and think you are too good for them, they move on!
This is just off the top of my head about where our Tea Party movement is going and why I, and soooooo many others have left.
The true difference between Tea Party Express and Tea Party Patriots-
Tea Party Express tours the country rallying people around candidates in order to actually make change. They collect money in order to do this. Commercials, ads etc cost money, there was never a debate about that. My problem was that when they did the tour, the money raised did not go to help put on these rallies by small local Tea Party groups. As you saw above, these rallies took thousands of dollars to put on, the first tour Deborah said she only spent $250 on her half of the tour. To me, that is unacceptable and the rally coordinators should have been given more help.
Tea Party Patriots- not sure what they do anymore, except take peoples money in order to put on 2 rallies a year. They woke people up, but now that they are woken up, they are too chicken to lead! Unlike Tea Party Express, TPP collect money not to help the individual groups grow but instead turn around and sell the email list without people knowing!
If you are a Tea Party Leader, think for yourself and what you can do for your neighborhood or community. If you are a member …DONATE TO YOUR LOCAL GROUP ONLY!!!

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Laura Boatright

04 September 2010

Let’s not forget this Eagle Publishing ad that TPP took out (pdf available via email: laura.boatright@msn.com)- something that Meckler said he would NEVER DO, when WE began this movment:
[left column]
Tea Party Patriots
First Time on the Market!
96,084 Total Donors $125/M
82,278 Pro-Life +$10/M
73,228 Traditional Marriage +$10/M
Telemarketing +$25/M
The Tea Party movement has swept through our country and is
picking up more supporters every day. These individuals support
limited government, traditional values, and lower taxes. They will
play a key role in the 2010 Election as they are extremely motivated
to make sure liberal politicians will not get elected. They believe in
taking our country back to the way our Founding Fathers envisioned it
would be. Tea Party Patriots are willing to give their time, money,
and endless effort to help elect conservative candidates at the local,
state and federal level.
This is a must test for all anti-tax, traditional values, limited
government, pro-gun, and conservative organizations and
campaigns.
For more information, contact Zephanie Custer at ext. 468 or
zcuster@eaglepub.com.
[right column]
[logo- Eagle List Company
An Eagle Publishing Company]
Source Direct Response
Selections (Geo)
State/SCF/Zip $7/M
Congressional District $7/M
Senate District $7/M
House District $7/M
Selections (Demographic)
Gender $7/M
Income $10/M
Phones $25/M
Additional Information
Email Delivery $50/F
Minimum Order 5,000 records
Postal addresses and phone numbers
are guaranteed 99% deliverable.
Sample mailing piece or telemarketing script
is required for List Owner approval. All
rentals are for a one-time usage only.
Re-uses must be cleared by the List Owner
prior to mailing.
Orders cancelled before the mail date will
incur an $85 cancellation fee, $10/M running
charge, selection fee, and shipping.
Orders cancelled after the mail date must be paid in
full.
###
In the beginning, Meckler railed against other orgs who shared/sold email lists without specifically notifying the contacts of sharing their info with third parties. This isn’t just their contact info, but DETAILED INFO of their level of involvement!!
So, Mr. Parole Officer, might want to reconsider who you “read” as trustworthy.

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Laura Boatright

04 September 2010

re: my last post- kinda puts a new light on this excerpt of #2 in Mandy’s last post: “Other Tea Party groups are invited to set up information booths, but PLEASE, no merchandise or soliciting for contact information or donations.” doesn’t it??
Follow the money, indeed.
RUMOR has it that Meckler and Martin requested annual salaries of $141,000 at a TPP Board meeting in Feb. 2010. We’ll have to wait and see TPP’s tax filing to find out if that is true, but it came to me from a reliable source.
Now, before someone accuses me of jealousy, let me state that there are SO MANY boots on the ground local Tea Party organizers who are unemployed and some who are “this close” to losing their homes. They get ZERO SUPPORT, not even for their rallies, printing, websites, etc from TPP or CATPP.
Damn right I’m jealous….FOR THEM.

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Laura Boatright

04 September 2010

Let’s just dispel the “newcomer” boloney right now:
http://www.infinitemonkeysblog.com/?q=node/6367
“The Rancho tea party, as well as an event earlier in the day in downtown San Bernardino, was organized by an energetic activist named Laura Boatright. She was thrilled with the turnout but slightly disappointed that no elected officials or chamber of commerce types bothered to show up. Maybe they knew they wouldn’t be too welcome?
Boatright understands that the problem facing Californians and Americans generally is that we elected the people who brought us to this pretty fiscal pass. “You know how Harry Truman had that sign on his desk in the White House that said, ‘The buck stops here’? Well, that’s not true,” Boatright said. “The buck stops with us… with the people. It’s our responsibility to vote these politicians out of office.”
Just google “Laura Boatright Tea Party” and see what you find…

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PAM SILLEMAN

28 September 2010

OOPS, Stan, I was in error:
please correct the following information:
NOTE FROM AMY KREMER, THE ‘FOUNDER’ OF TEA PARTY PATRIOTS;
Just so you know, I started TPP…not JBM…I brought her in to help, but it was all my brain child and I bought and paid for everything. I started it the first week of March and she didn’t really help until April. As forf Meckler, I did not even know him when I started TPP!
They are crazy! I applaud you for your heart, soul, and persistence! You are an amazing Patriot!
Love you girl!
Amy Kremer
678.495.8271
Chairman, Tea Party Express
— On Tue, 9/28/10, Pam Silleman pamsilleman@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: Pam Silleman pamsilleman@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Mark, please give the money back, you are dismantling our success! please!
To: “Stan Meckler” stan@mecklermail.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 5:37 AM
Hi Stan.
No Stan, Mark didn’t start Tea Party Patriots, Jenny Beth and Amy Kremer did, They had never HEARD of Mark Meckler.
Mark was looking on and watching from the sidelines, he did ask to join them, then promptly started the division, ending in their pushing out Amy Kremer.
Since then they have continually used the donations brought in by the National website to fund various lawsuits on patriots like Amy. (and Jason Hoyt, who recently won that one)
Perhaps YOU need to know your facts “Stan”.
I too was fooled by Mark.
Not anymore, Mark is the problem, he needs the TPP NOT the other way around.
As for sacrifice:? HA.
Mark, Jenny Beth etc draw SALARIES from the TPP and use $$ from trusting patriots to fund their personal travel expenses etc.
Sacrifice?
Nice try. I am not on salary like they are (no one else pays for my travel back and forth to DC, or our rally permits, dinners/airlines for guest speakers etc: that comes out of my own little pocket) , yet continually I have people sending $$ to TPP, assuming that we all work together and that somehow that money gets to help me and our local Tea Party.
Mark etc have never helped me one tiny bit.
Matter of fact I had spent over $10K on a huge rally earlier this year (May 22nd) it was Mark that called the DAY before the rally (out of the blue) and demanded that I fire Mark Williams as MC. He had not even taken the time to RSVP to this rally, yet at the last minute, he (with no concern about the movement or my risk) wanted to take over the entire function.
Of course, I had organized the entire production, had housing/dinners, rides etc all set up. Mark didn’t care about that, all he cared about was that Mark Williams would be there and he is so jealous of anything Tea Party Express that he can’t see rationally.
It didn’t stop there Stan, the day after our rally, Mark Williams MC’ed at a rally in El Dorado HIlls for Chuck DeVore, that made Mark so mad that he wrote me and said that because Chuck was seen at the same function as Williams that the TPP must denounce Chuck Devore! If you would like to see these crazy emails I will show you Stan.
Mark is not about ‘the movement’, Mark is about furthering Mark. (I have seen his online begging for personal money) sick. As if we all have not given everything?
Many of the California coordinators are quite aware of his true motivations. I am sure you know of how he personally SOLD our database for $7500 to the GOP and put the money in his own pocket!
He is dedicated alright, dedicated to hold onto his income and power position with little regard for the fact that accepting this ‘million dollar’ mystery grant (in exchange for our members names and info) will shadow our credibility. To say nothing about SELLING OUR NAMES TO WHO? He won’t say! I hope the coordinators are not that dumb.
If this donor was real, he would be helping everyone, not ‘picking and choosing’ the winners, based on Marks’ opinion. (sounds like the Marxist in the White House to me)
Ask Mandy Morello how Mark blackballed her and cost her personally over $5K when he sent out an email to all TPP demanding that they not attend the debate she was putting on for candidates. Mandy will be happy to explain that one to you Stan.
We could have you talk to Alex Foster, she was accused of ‘threatening’ Mark. Mark told me that Alex was a racist, as he said she threatened to ‘burn his kids in an oven’…….later, of course, I read the ‘so called’ threats and found that none of that was true. Check the FBI if you wish, Mark thought Alex’s emails were so ‘scary’ that he called them in to help.
It is sad to see this, but 99.99% of the patriots are of one heart, and that is the true unselfish one we all share,………all but a handful that have become more interested in personally enrichment and fame.
We know who they are. The ones that take money in, but won’t open their books to their members, the ones that will not endorse candidates but will spend money denouncing them, (Delaware, right now!) Where does all that money go?
I just hope that coordinators are not fooled by this scheme. Mark has sold out the TPP trusting group, just like he did in California. It seems he realized ‘heck if I can get $7500 for a collection of names gathered by hundreds of conservatives in CA, imagine what I could get for a national collection of such same minded individuals?’…I bet a million bucks.
The Tea Parties are NOT Mark Meckler, he is just a speed bump in the progress, we will continue. At least now, the country will see him for what those of us in California have already learned.
Thanks for your letter Stan, Pam Silleman
Napa Tea Party, founded February 2009.
— On Mon, 9/27/10, Stan Meckler stan@mecklermail.com wrote:
From: Stan Meckler stan@mecklermail.com
Subject: Re: Mark, please give the money back, you are dismantling our success! please!
To: “Pam Silleman” pamsilleman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 7:58 PM
I think that you don’t have a clue how the TPP started and who is actually responsible as to how we got here. It was started by Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin. It was their fire and dedication and sacrifices that made us the great organization that it is. It wasn’t you or me. We just came along for this glorious ride. Yes, we all play an important role…NOW! For you to make ridiculous and unfounded charges demonstrates that you really have no idea what you are talking about. How much time have you given to the movement? How much have you sacrificed your family. What have you personally created for the benefit of this country? Stop and think! I have no idea what your agenda is, but it sounds very selfish to me. It doesn’t sound like you believe in the Tea Party Patriots. If you think you can do a better job, start your own organization and see how many will follow you. I know that my 2,500+ members won’t and neither will millions of others.
If you have no respect with what Mark and Jenny Beth have accomplished, just quit. You won’t be missed. I guarantee it.
Please don’t try to respond as I have blocked any future email from you.
Stan Meckler
Nevada County Tea Party Patriots
—– Original Message —–
From: Pam Silleman
To: Mark Meckler
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Mark, please give the money back, you are dismantling our success! please!
http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/grassroots-mark-meckler?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A2629702&page=2
Our member lists are not for sale.
The strength of the Tea Party does not come from any ‘leader’ or national organization. The power of the party is in individual LOUD local voices from each and every community.
Please do not destroy what we all have all worked and sacrificed so hard for over the last two years!
Please Mark, you are making us look bad…………..STOP please STOP now!

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Charlie Wilson

28 September 2010

I attended the August 2009 Tea Party event at the NC Fairgrounds and became enthralled with Mark Meckler who gave an emotional speech that brought us to our feet. Mark Williams emceed the event and also injected a true spirit of patriotism into our thinking not felt for decades. Over this past year I have been following our local, regional and national TP movement and my chest swells with pride. I have so many new patriot friends reminding me of my days in Nam. What has bothered me during this time was the coming and going of so many from our local TPP without a mention other than they didn’t fit. What didn’t fit? After asking around more throughout our TPP movement I began to get information questioning where all the donations collected by Mark and Stan were going. No one wanted to pay disrepect to any of the TPPs so information was limited or suppressed. I had heard that some in the leadership were paying themselves plus traveling in first class and felt justified to do so. Something smelled. This morning a respected patriot friend sent me this which has opened my eyes: http://www.marktalk.com/blog/?p=11082.
I saw Larry Naritelli speak several times this year during his campaigning as the conservative candidate for California’s governor primary and know he is an honest man and truthful. I believe in the Tea Party revolution and what we have accomplished so far but now I am convinced that some get involved to profit from it. The Mecklers need to leave the Nevada County TPP as well as step down from the national TPP. Obviously money corrupts. More can be found here: http://www.marktalk.com/blog/?cat=3415
I am so discouraged having been taken advantaged by The Mecklers.

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Mark

28 September 2010

Stan, Now I know where your loser kid gets it. You are a total liar and scoundrel.
Your family name should be “Arnold” and your family secret the attempted sale of West Point to the King.
Mark Williams – exposing your son for the crooked fraud that he is at http://www.marktalk.com

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Brad Croul

29 September 2010

Are we witnessing an “event horizon” as this “star” becomes a black hole?

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Jack Armstrong

30 September 2010

These chickens can’t see their own back. Good example of the pot calling the kettle black. Sweep first in front of your own door.
Amy Kremer Chairman of Tea Party Express, Mandy Morello, Mark Williams, Laura Boatwright are in collusion to usurp the Tea Party Patriot organization. Each of you has bad marks on your short careers in the patriot movement.
Creating division in the movement for a power grab within the Tea party Patriots. We would expect this from a mole not from patriots. They are trying to create confusion and discredit breaking leadership within the TPP to weaken the social and political infrastructure. These disgruntles want the TPP reins and bank account. That $1,000,000 donation is bringing them into the light of day.
We found further evidence of their battle plan to ruin the Tea Party Patriots… the largest established group that has not joined the questionable Federation(NTPF)
http://www.thenationalteapartyfederation.com/
This is getting personal and nasty
http://www.teapartyie.com/news/the-800-pound-thug-gorilla-in-the-room-tea-party-patriots-

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Steve Enos

19 October 2010

Looks like a number of Tea Paerty “first founders” were right about Mark Meckler, check out this story for details:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/tea-party-mark-meckler-herbalife
Mark Meckler… running the Tea Party Movement like a Pyramid Scheme to line his pockets. Seems those on the inside of the Tea Party that posted here are correct.
Time to wake up… Mark Meckler has been using the TEa Party for personal power and personal gain.

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Todd Juvinall

19 October 2010

Mother Jones is a commie publication and has no credibility except with fellow commies. Meckler is a Patriot and his family seems to me be be a typical American family. Mother Jones works good if you are a fan of the old USSR or present day Cuba.

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Steve Enos

19 October 2010

When you have Mother Jones AND a number of Tea Party first founders saying the same thing about Meckler… it’s not a lefty lib thing!
One just needs to read the posts under this story and the Mother Jones story… no tea leaves needed, Meckler’s time is running out. The national media is now on the story and the issues raised by Tea Party folks right here on George’s blog!
EXIT QUESTION: How long before Meckler is ran out of the Tea Party movement?
Tick… tick… tick

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Barry Pruett

19 October 2010

Steve…you are either an incredible comedian or you should be committed! ROFLMAO. If this is the best you crackpots can do to tarnish Mark, that clock of yours will run out of batteries before Mark disapperas.

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Bob Hobert

20 October 2010

You people ALL need to take a cold shower. Are you actually reading each others’ posts or are you just busily rewriting your last inane screed? I sure as heck am not going to wade through any more of your Bloviating Scandalmongering. Any election issues you’d care to comment on??

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