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Stan Meckler Responds

01 August 2010

[Stan emailed the following piece to me. I am posting it with his permission (encouragement actually) in response to the recent comment thread on my 18jul10 'Who is a Racist?' post.]

Stan Meckler

As you may not know, I do not go to the blogs. The reason is these people who sit at home and bitch, complain, call names, and offer nothing positive to any discussion, are of no interest to me. I have offered to met with any of them, in the light of day, but they have no interest. Jeff PellStine and Steve Enos are just two of the many that I have tried to meet. Why won't they meet? What are they afraid of? Are they scared of the truth? They should meet and show me the facts they have to prove their points.

As the President of the Nevada County Tea Party Patriots I am willing to meet with anybody from any group. All they have to do is email me and we'll set it up. I have met with the heads of the Democrats, Libertarians, Republicans, a member of Move On, and many others. Why won't the liberal bloggers meet?

We now have almost 2,000 members in Nevada County. We have over 18 million members nationally. We have over 2,500 chapters of Tea Party Patriots around the country and are adding 50 chapters a week. We are the largest grassroots organization in the history of the USA. If you want to see the survey results from Gallup, Rasmussen, ABC, CBS and the Wall Street Journal, I'll bring them with me. The latest polls show that Liberals make up just 20% of the voters in this country. Moderates are moving to the right at a rapid rate. What facts can you bring to the table?

Let's talk about Mandy Morello. Mandy Morello is not a founder of the Tea Party Patriots. I have been there since the beginning on April 27, 2009 and she wasn't there. I was! She was at an event on April 15th, 2009 as a photographer. I know Mandy and I like her. But, if she says she was one of the founding members, it just ain't so no matter what her blog says.

Am I biased in favor of my son, Mark Meckler? You bet I am! But, anyone that actually knows us, not the lies that are told, will tell you that we are honorable people. Meet us and find out for yourselves. Do you have the courage to do so? Or, are you going to sit in the dark and continue to type hatred?

Posted in Current Affairs, Nevada County, Our Country

101 responses to “Stan Meckler Responds”

Jeff Pellne

01 August 2010

If I’m Jeff “PellStine,” this statement is falsely portraying me:
•Stan has never offered to meet with me, so perhaps he’s confusing me with somebody else. Commenters on my blog have invited Stan to participate, but he has declined. A meeting was proposed by some commenters — Anna Haynes, think — but it never materialized.
•I am not a “liberal” blogger. I am middle of the road, and have voted for Republicans and Democrats over the years. A family member is a registered GOP. My politics are more along the lines of my supervisor, Nate Beason. So I guess he’s a “liberal” too.
Most important, this statement sidesteps the real issue that was raised in George’s post by Tea Party leaders: Why isn’t George or Stan addressing the criticism alleged by Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naratelli at George or the Mecklers? Why didn’t George disclose his financial contribution to Mark Meckler until now? George’s defense seems to be that the “Meckler’s” told him so.
http://jeffpelline.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/local-blogger-rebane-caught-in-middle-of-meckler-dust-up/

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Mandy Morello

01 August 2010

Stan I guess I know which tree the bad apple fell out of… I covered the Feb 27th, 2009. I was the only media to come down to the capitol to see what this Lawyer and his family were doing because of Santelli’s rant her in Sac. Had Mark Williams not jumped up on the planter box that day to make some noise or wrote about it on his blog back then, Sac Tea Party would have been nothing more than “just your family down there alone.”
I am the one that designed the back of the very first Tax Day Tea Party shirt, it was my contacts that got the deal for the printing of the shirts and the printing of the fliers shall I go on?!!!!Just a photographer huh, That means I have photographic proof to back up my emails to and from Patty and Mark!

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Mandy Morello

01 August 2010

For the Record, I NEVER CALLED MYSELF A LEADER OF ANYTHING!!!!

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Mandy Morello

01 August 2010

George- why did you turn off the comments to the previous article? I tried to reply but the comment section would not take it. That is ok, posted my complete reply to Jeff’s article about yours.

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George Rebane

01 August 2010

Mandy – I have not turned off any comments to any of my posts. But TypePad has its own little quirks, please try again.

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Mandy Morello

01 August 2010

Here is the photo album from the very first Tea Party that Stan so easily forgot:http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x192/amorello5401/Tea%20Party%20Feb%2027%202009/
Here is my article about that day published in a paper of general distribution: http://americanrivermessenger.com/pdf_files/vol_4_pdfs/MessengerVol4Iss5.pdf
I got front page and top fold for that article….I know someone will say your article says television, radio and news media covered the event… I was news media and Mark Williams fell under the category of TV and Radio. As you can see from the pictures there were no news crews nor were there any cameras other than mine and maybe another video camera.

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George Rebane

01 August 2010

For the record – I cannot address any of these issues about TPP affairs that are outside Nevada County because I have no direct knowledge of any of the goings on. JeffP would do well to keep this record straight on his blog.
And JeffP, I have no obligation to disclose to you or anybody else the private contributions my family makes to anyone. If the receiver has such obligations, then look to them. Your understanding of US Code and the ethics of giving needs a major tune-up.

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Laura Boatright

01 August 2010

Stan-
With all due respect, what you have is 2000 CONTACTS, and same goes with Tea Party Patriots. There is a difference. That matters to ME as a local organizer because THEY solicit funds from MY BACKYARD and (just like TPP said about TPE) DO NOT FUNNEL ANY OF THAT FUNDING TO THE LOCAL GROUPS…NONE. That is something that our “members” don’t know. So, TPP has yardsigns and tee shirts that don’t have any place for the local groups web address…just TPP. Why? CONTACTS TO SOLICIT. (I know it, Mark knows it, and you know it. And I know that you both know it.) IT HAS BECOME ALL ABOUT POWER, CONTROL, AND MONEY.
Not to minimize the MOVEMENT, but Tea Party Patriots as an org hasn’t accomplished CRAP…the local groups have, DESPITE the ongoings and distractions, personal vendettas and POSITIONING/BRANDING, and meetings with the GOP/RNC that Mark has attended to.
So, speak to the ISSUES, Stan. Big deal that you/they have contact lists…who cares?
Speak about Mark’s relationship with McClintock. His poor judgment in the Gov campaign. His seemingly favorable attitude with Poizner, an establishment HACK, fulltime POLITICIAN.
FTR- why is it important for Mark to claim “national founder”?? POSITIONING.
I claim that title too, along with ALL THE OTHERS who built this movement. Mark, Jenny Beth, Amy Kremer, Michael Patrick Leahy, Eric Odom, and Stacy Mott, sure as hell DID NOT BUILD THIS ALONE. In fact, I came to the movement via Freedom Works. Prior to that, I was ALREADY printing my own little “articles” about the Constitution and EC101 bullet points in front of my local WalMart. Prior to THAT I had been doing voter registration, GOTV, working booths and tables several times a week, etc…
Mark HIMSELF has caused much of this fracture. Mark is about MARK. It’s become evident and more evident every day that passes. And I don’t even have to tell anyone, they are coming to the conclusions themselves.
First it was branding the name “Tea Party Patriots”, now it’s about the trademark, and suing/controlling groups/individuals who used the name that Mark encouraged, under FALSE PRETENSES, IMO.
So, say what you want Stan. I am not about the iconography, or personalities…I could care less about that. What I care about is CONDUCT: INTEGRITY, PRINCIPLES.
I fervently defended Mark and Patty when they were being wronged. Not because they were “my friends”, but because they were being WRONGLY ACCUSED.
Same with Mr. Larry Naritelli. Same with MANY Tea Party organizers across CA and USA. And NOW with Mandy Morello.
Mark should have known that I would counter any MISREPRESENTATIONS that he makes public, just as passionately as I did when it was being leveled against him. I know Alinsky tactics when I see them, better yet, I know how to wield them too.
“Freeze, personalize, polarize.” Yeah, we get it. And we won’t stand for it in our own camp for the gain of ANY ONE PERSON OR GROUP. for all the talk about “solidarity” and “team spirit” TPP/Mark Meckler sure aren’t LEADING BY EXAMPLE. By HIS actions he has done more damage to the solidarity than I thought anyone could. Good going, Mark.
This is an organic movement, it is not “owned” by anyone. Not Mark. Not Tea Party Patriots. Or Freedom Works, American Solutions, or any other national group.
~Laura Boatright
http://teapartyie.com
NATIONAL CO-FOUNDER OF TEA PARTY MOVEMENT- ALONG WITH 10,000 OTHERS.

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Steve Enos

01 August 2010

What is Mark Meckler all about?… Mark Meckler.
Consider the following:
1. When the Mark Williams “dust up” started Mark Meckler ran to the press and tossed Williams under the bus as fast as he could.
Mark Meckler went to the press and made statements and claims that he, Mark Meckler THE Tea Party Leader had been warning the Tea Party about Mark Williams from the start.
But in these press interviews bashing Mark Williams Mark Meckler forgot to mention he had long running connections and a history with Mark Williams. Mark Meckler forgot to disclose that he and Williams appeared and spoke together in the past. He forgot to mention that in 2009 the Meckler’s selected Mark Williams to be The MC/Host/speaker at the TPP gathering here in Nevada County. He forgot to mention a bit of a falling out after that. Seems Mark Meckler forgets a lot of things.
Seems Mark Meckler forgot his relationship and past appearances with Mark Williams and instead ran to the press to claim he warned everyone about Mark Williams long ago. Sorry, this is the behavior of an opportunist.
2. What about the private use of the Tea Party membership email database by Mark Meckler to send out a plea for Tea Party members to “donate” money for his PERSONAL use?
Mark Meckler used and emailed the Tea Party membership list asking folks to send checks to his personal address and indicate they were for his “PERSONAL” use.
Combine this misuse of the membership list with the comments being raised by others here. Folks with the ture story and direct knowledge in the Tea Party are now providing information about Mark Meckler and money and they raise questions about Mark Mecklers use of the national Tea Party sites donations.
Pam Silleman posts Mark Meckler and hsi quest for money and control… “He receives all of the donations made to our national site, but when one of his groups needs advice (he is an attorney after all).… he DEMANDS MONEY.”
Wouldn’t an attorney know that it’s not a good idea to use the Tea Party membership email database to send out pleas for Tea Party members to “donate” money for his PERSONAL use?
This issue about the misuse of the Tea Party membership email database and the donations to the Tea Party and Mark Mecklers “personal” account funds should be looked into.
What about Mark Meckler getting paid a lot of money from the Lincoln Club of Orange County PAC?
From what folks are now saying and disclosing and the information that is starting to flood out it’s clear all this should be looked into.
The issue is… will it?

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Jeff Pellne

01 August 2010

George,
On the issue I raised, you absolutely have an obligation to disclose your financial contribution to Mark Meckler to your readers, because you write about him regularly. You also write a column for The Union and should be held to some ethical standards. A little structure is important, just as when it comes to starting non-profits.

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Steve Enos

01 August 2010

Here’s another false claim by Stan Meckler and I have the emails to prove Stan Meckler is not telling the truth it:
Stan Meckler claims above that… “Jeff Pelline and Steve Enos are just two of the many that I have tried to meet. Why won’t they meet? What are they afraid of? Are they scared of the truth?”
Well Stan Meckler isn’t telling the truth folks. I had a few email exchanges with Stan Meckler in the past. And I sent an email to Stan asking him to explain his side of the story about his violations of private property rights and free speech during a past election in Nevada County.
As soon as I raised this issue and asked Stan Meckler if he would provide his side of the story, Stan Meckler stopped all communication with me. I send a number of emails asking Stan Meckler to reply, I asked him to give his side of the story, I asked him for the truth.
Stan Meckler refused to respond once I raised the issue about his trespassing and free speech violations.
So what happened? What did Stan Meckler do? Why did Stan Meckler refuse to respond with his side of the story to confirm or deny it?
In a past election here in Nevada County Stan Meckler was caught red handed trespassing onto another’s property where he tore down a political campaign sign of a Nevada County Board of Supervisors candidate, a candidate that Stan Meckler didn’t like.
After getting caught Stan Meckler had a conversation with the candidate and asked that he not be reported.
I had been emailing with Stan Meckler and as soon as I raised the issues of him violating someone else’s property rights and free speech Stan Meckler refused to communicate.
Private property rights and free speech are provided for and protected by our very own Constitution. In fact they are corner stones of our Constitution.
Seems Stan Meckler and Mark Meckler have a lot in common.
Thank you to those helping to get the word out about what has been going. I have raised many of these issues in the past only to have George Rebane, Russ Steele, Todd Juvinall and Barry Pruett attack me for doing so. Seems these same folks can’t handle the truth you bring forward. Thanks to all for pulling back the rug and exposing the truth about Stan and Mark Meckler and what they have been up to.
Mark Meckler doe not own the Tea Party, he does not own Tea Party Patriots regardless of how had he tries to make it so and profit from it while attacking others that do it for free, that do out of true conviction for the cause.

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Laura Boatright

01 August 2010

I’m in So Cal, so I don’t really keep abreast of the shenanigans in the Mecklers’ home turf…however, the damage TPP has done to the movement in Cali IS INEXCUSABLE and DISGUSTING.
What they “appear to be” and what they ARE are two different things.
I don’t like publicly denouncing them…wish they’d just keep their mouths shut. But since they don’t, I am forced to respond PUBLICLY as well.
They ALL know me, and my integrity is UNQUESTIONABLE. I have been consistent from the beginning. There’s so much more to this story…and if they continue to wage this public war…so be it, it will ALL come out.
My advice, Mr. Meckler(s) and TPP…SHUT UP. And get to work for the sake of our state and nation.

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Russ Steele

01 August 2010

This personal snipping is just a distraction from the real issue.There are 50 millions dissatisfied voters that are joining local Tea Parties, Freedomworks, and the 9.12 Project. They all came together a million strong in Washington DC, in one of the most beautiful gatherings ever held on the Capitol Mall. What happens if they come together as a single voting block in November? That potential scares the s**t out of the liberal/progressives.
Yes, every grassroots movement has had organizational problem, even among our founding fathers. The original 13 states and their leaders did not like each other much, each being a strong leader in their own states. Yet, they saw the need and put aside petty differences and came together to create an strong nation.
There always strong individuals vying for a leadership role, creating friction and some name calling. The left will take every opportunity to exploit these small fractures with in the ranks of these grass roots organizations. We are seeing that strategy played our right here in Nevada County, as the liberal/progressive an their fellow travelers try to foment discord among California Tea Party leaders.
We need to look at the larger picture, there is a powerful grass roots movement that is a huge danger to the progressive/liberal Democrat who currently in power. They will continue to seek ways to attack these grassroots organizations, the most visible being the rapidly growing Tea Parties Patriots.
My advice is to ignore the snippers like Enos and Pelline, keeping the larger issues in sight. I was watching the Glenn Beck Friday program on the DVR with the Tea Party leaders, Freedomworks and the 9.12 project. I think this meeting and discussion could be the basis of a real healing moment. Especially, if they all went out for dinner and a drink after the show. I heard a lot of agreement around the table on Friday night.
Legitimate attacks should be answered and then move on. Mark Williams racism was dealt with, now it is time to move on. It is a huge waste of time deal with the snippers who are only seeking to create more problems for the Tea Party organizer. Problems that diverts leaders from focusing on the real goals in November. Electing leaders that believe in smaller government, following the constitution and fiscal responsibility.

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Laura Boatright

01 August 2010

Exactly, Russ…tell TPP via Mark Meckler to knock it off.

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Jeff Pellne

01 August 2010

Russ,
Don’t shoot the messenger: Read what these people are saying, including Laura Boatright’s comment right above yours. That’s the real issue.

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Larry Naritelli

01 August 2010

With all due respect to Stan, I really do not understand the purpose of the false allegations made against me during the primary by his son Mark. Also the blog by the TPP progressive in Maine and the other false claims to create damage to my name and get endorsements pulled from me based on total falsehoods by his staff. His associates made wild and baseless claims to try to damage my family. Then they kept going with emails after the primary to keep trying to discredit me. All I did was volunteer for his organization all last year. What purpose did it serve Mark to conduct a smear campaing of falsehoods. Show me the evidence of any one of his allegations. There is none and Mark’s organization should be ashamed of themselves for sinking into the gutter the way they did.
Where are the FBI investigations Mark? Prove Dawn Wildman’s claims. Explain Andrew Ian Dodge’s lies. Guilty until proven innocent is how your organization acts. That is too progressive for America. I’m sorry Stan, but I would scold my son if he engaged in the same type of acts Mark, Dawn, and Andrew engaged in. And Jenny Beth Martin needs to explain why she condones it. Every single allegation they made against me is completely untrue. Every single one.

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Steve Enos

01 August 2010

Thank you to Laura, Mandy and the others that are bringing forward the facts and the real information about the scam being conducted by the Meckler’s.
See how Russ Steele avoids addressing the facts and issues you raise? See how he instead attacks me and you and others for bringing forth the truth?
See that Russ Steele, George Rebane and the Meckler’s fail to respond to the issues raised? No surprise to those raising the issues!
It’s very clear who the true Patriots are vs. those claimimg to be THE Tea Party leaders, the same folks that are missusing the Tea Party membership information to seek donations for their “Personal” use.
As Laura Boatright bravely stated about the Meckler’s… “What they “appear to be” and what they ARE are two different things”.
Instead of addressing the issues they attack Laura and Mandy and those others that are now standing up to the Meckler’s.
Laura said “There’s so much more to this story…and if they continue to wage this public war…so be it, it will ALL come out”.
Time for it all to come out, time for the truth to come out.

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VforVendetta

02 August 2010

I for one AM in Mark’s backyard and have been in the movement from the beginning as well. I’d love the opportunity to meet with Stan OR Mark ANYTIME, ANYWHERE……my ONLY pre-condition, is that the media be there to here the facts from those that been in this form the beginning…..and KNOW where the bodies are buried. I have no time for a “yes he did, no he didn’t, yes he did, no he didn’t” with Stan Meckler. I have the facts and screenprints, emails, etc. to back me up, and will provide them (along with how they ALL tie together) to anyone that truly wants to get the truth out. Steve, my writing skills are least to be desired, my verbal skills are far better, I’ve been considering a vlog to get the truth out, but think you might be interested in hearing what I’ve got to say. Shoot me an email at politicalwatchdog69@yahoo.com, I’ll send you my phone # and we can talk, hope to hear from you soon. V

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

PS- Mark’s M.O. is to enlist the help of associated BLOGGERS.
Larry is correct, Mark/TPP enlisted Andrew Ian Dodge to smear him…I countered that garbage too.
Mr. Rebane- the movement is about ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. So, I think for the sake of FULL DISCLOSURE AND DISCLAIMER you SHOULD tell us what you have given to Meckler, Sac Tea Party, Nevada County Tea Party Patriots, etc…let’s just get it ALL out in the open.
And Larry, what you said above is 100% correct, which is why I fought FOR YOU against Meckler/Wildman/CATPP on principle. Now, please, practice what YOU preach. (You know what I am talking about.)

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

@Steve-
To my knowledge, Mark Meckler/TPP has not attacked me. They can’t. They have nothing on me because I am always HONEST AND VERY, VERY FORTHRIGHT (in case you couldn’t tell).
I also have nothing for them to take from me…the only darned thing I own is (a currently broken down) 1984 MB 190D.
I don’t solicit funds from my contacts. I/Tea Party IE is NOT a registered NFP. Why? I stand on the Constitution, and IMO, NFPs are illegal limits of our free speech, free association, etc…(ya know, “tea party issues”) I also don’t pull permits for my events…same reason. If we are going to fight for the Constitution, LET’S DO IT!
I don’t stand by GOProgressives (Whitman, Poizner, and Fiorina…Graham, McCain, and even Sarah Palin the turncoat who supports GOPregressives)or Marxist-Democrats (nearly ALL Dems)…but I am also not interested in becoming a Libertarian…why? I am post-partisan. The parties have outlived their usefulness…we don’t NEED them, they are self-serving, not in our INTERESTS. They tell us NOTHING of any candidate running (cf: Meg Whitman, GOProgressive). I maintain that the only reason the LP is “clean” is because they have not attained any power. As soon as they do, they will have the same problems as the “big two”…why? HUMAN NATURE DOES NOT CHANGE. But I do tell everyone the TRUTH, which is that I am a registered Republican. Now, Mark Meckler is a DTS but cuddles up with the GOP machine…but not publicly, THAT would break FEC/IRS rules pertaining to NFP (501s). So much more important to follow the law than to be HONEST AND TRANSPARENT.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

Russ, your recommendations are the most cogent. A group od people always has internal strife of some sort, even a family. The trick in political movement is don’t let the personal issues wreck the movement. I have yet to see any positive story’s on the leftwing blog about the TPP or its founders. I have yet to see anything posititive from Enos. Of course, Enos’s style is pretty much always tearing down others and their ideas, nothing new there. My suggestion is let the detractors deal with each other, and continue to portray the overall goals of the TPP in the manner of their positive attributes.

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RL Crabb

02 August 2010

I think the blogger is calling the kettle black and blue, Todd. I remember all your positive suggestions over on Pelline’s blog…not.
Face it, when the tea party starts airing its grievances of Jeff’s blog, there’s trouble in paradise.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

RL, you need to stop whining fella. I post positive stuff all the time. When I confront detractors like you and Pelline, I defend myself. So, man up.

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Mikey McD

02 August 2010

It is so very American to have the petty drama take center stage and the worthy values of the movement ignored. Pride and Egos need to be set aside for the sake of un-enslaving our kids. Folks, let’s focus on fiscal responsibility, constitution, and free markets.
For the record, I have not heard Mark or any other tea party ‘member’ bad mouth anyone except politicians and racists.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Hey Todd Juvinall, Russ Steele and George Rebane…
Just keep on avoiding and ducking and spinning all you want. Keep attacking Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and the others that are raising real issues about Mark and Stan Meckler and what they have been up to. It doesn’t matter becasue the truth is now getting out and it’s very clean you made a big mistake drinking the Meckler Coolaide.
You have a chance to wake from your Meckler dream world and listen to the truth, but alas you can’t seem to do that. Instead you make attacks against those with the conviction to stand up and tell the truth.
These are folks that worked in, with and for the Tea Party movement from the start, involved people, committed people, dedicated people, peole that know the truth, people that have raised real issues that you brush off.
Continue to claim this is about Steve Enos or Jeff Pelline, continue to avoid the reality that has come knocking on your door. Continue to discredit those raising these important issues.
Instead how about getting Mark and Stan Meckler to respond to what has come to light? What’s wrong, can’t the Meckler’s respond here, on Rebane’s conservative blog site, the site claimed to be about facts and truth and discusion?
George… since you have direct contact with the Meckler’s and you posted Stan’s initial “response” you are the perfect person to requst Stan and Mark to respond here, for all to see. Or will they hide and fail to enguage in the discussion that is taking place… what do they have to hide?
It’s simple, if Stan and Mark Meckler avoid responding here, if they avoid addressing the issues here they only confirm that what Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and others are saying here.
George, instead of another story about PG&E Smart meters, how about dealing with this, something of real importance… if you dare!

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Mikey McD

02 August 2010

debates are NOT won based on the quantity of words, but the quality. It is important to focus on solutions to our debt and ever shrinking liberty instead of lame 4th grade drama.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

So Mikey McD… Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern are 4th graders? Do you have any idea who these fine folks are? Do you have any idea the work and effort these folks have undertaken?
These folks are raising real issues about Mark and Stan Meckler and what they have been up to. These folks have been in the effort from the very statrt and they know what has been going on. Discount them all you want, but they know and they have the proof!
Can you address their issues and not insult and attack these folks?
You say… “focus on solutions to our debt and ever shrinking liberty”… wake up Mikey McD because that is what Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern have been doing from the start!
For you to call them a bunch of 4th graders is beyond the pale and a 100% insult to those working for the cause!

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Mikey McD

02 August 2010

Enos, your ability to thrive in the hateful schoolyard bully attack mode is exactly why I fear big government. Planners (read slave drivers) like you are the enemy. Your obsessive disdain for personal liberty is treasonous.
This petty TP drama does not concern me (or you)- it is nothing more than a bunch of egos run amok. FOCUS: WE need solutions (*which I’ve offered consistently), not drama.
Unfortunately the clock does not stop ticking due to petty drama: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Mikey McD

02 August 2010

I DON’T/WON’T FOLLOW PEOPLE… I will follow the values of fiscal responsibility, adherence to the constitution and free market capitalism.
Now you want to make a mountain our of a mole hill…
ENOS = HYPOCRITE!
It is hypocritical for the Enos’ of the world to all of the sudden think the volunteers of the freedom movement respectable when just days ago the hypocrites labels said volunteers as “fringe – racist -right wing extremists.”

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Dixon Cruickshank

02 August 2010

“As Laura Boatright bravely stated about the Meckler’s… “What they “appear to be” and what they ARE are two different things”.”
Whew, Sure glad we don’t have that issue with you

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RL Crabb

02 August 2010

Who’s whining, Todd? I’m just making an observation here. You know as well as I do, if this were the Rural Quality Coalition you’d be be all over yourself gloating. At least I’m bipartisan when I dole out the criticism.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern are raising real, important issues about the Meckler’s and how the Meckler’s have been using the Tea Party for profit and to gain power while attacking others that have been working for the cause. Can’t you grasp that?
The response from Mikey McD and Dixon… they don’t address the issues, they make personal attacks and let the personal insults fly.
How can you discount, ignore and attack Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern instead of addressing the issues they raise? How about you start by addressing these two issues:
How do you feel about the misuse of the Tea Party membership email database by Mark Meckler to seek donations from the Tea Party members for his “personal” use vs. the Tea Party. Seems that some laws, much less the trust of the Tea Party members might have been violated by this. Can you address this?
And what about Mark Meckler getting paid a lot of money from the Lincoln Club of Orange County PAC?
It was Laura Boatright that posted about the Meckler’s that… “What they “appear to be” and what they ARE are two different things”.
Try to discount, ignore and disparage Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli, Dave Kern and the others that are bringing forward the real information about the Meckler’s… the truth is now getting out and seems you and a few others can’t deal with the truth and can’t address these issues.
It’s real clear whom the real hypocrites are.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

RL, you write an excellent comic strip. You skewer mostly the right. The strip is a negative strip most of the time. I hardly think you should be whining about anyone else posting negative.

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George Rebane

02 August 2010

The conversation here seems to be leading to no new revelations, at least no productive ones that would help the TPP address its shortcomings, and go forward better able to promote its core principles in the country’s political arena. We seem to be trading allegations with at least half the traders interested in seeing the TP movement fold its tent and disappear into the ‘dustbin of history’.
Today I noticed that Jeff Pelline’s blog is republishing huge parts of RR with interstitial commentary, and a budding comment thread of its own that appears equally sterile. (I may have to start reading Jeff’s contributions now that the direction of content flow has been settled.) Unfortunately I have no more to contribute than what is already in these pages. And I have no special ability to encourage either of the Mecklers to respond any more than they care to on RR.
But these comment threads have been valuable for me in highlighting the expected dissensions in the formative process of a loosely led and widely dispersed organization whose core principles I support and of which I am a member. My little brainbone is humming with attempts to answer questions such as ‘what is a sustainable structure for an organization fostering political and social ideals that seeks to grow while remaining independent of the established ‘business-as-usual’ political parties and candidates seeking election?’
When I have something to add that points toward answers – mine or mined, fully baked or not – I will post them, and then look forward to the usual discussion/critiques which these pages foster. Until then, perhaps Jeff’s blog would be a more suitable venue on which to continue the current ‘progress’.

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RL Crabb

02 August 2010

Editorial cartooning is a negative business. It’s called satire. The Mecklers are among the hierarchy of the national Tea Party movement,(if such a thing exists in this supposedly leaderless group) so it’s only natural that I would comment on something that’s started in my own backyard and stretches all the way to Glenn Beck’s studio. And yes, it’s even more rife for satire when Steve Enos embraces the movement.
I can’t make up stuff this good.

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

George, good comments.
RL, thanks for confirming.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Wow! George ducks the issues raised and sends Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern to Jeff Peline’s blog to continue the discussion about the Tea Party issues they raise?
Now I have seen everything!
George says… “The conversation here seems to be leading to no new revelations, at least no productive ones that would help the TPP address its shortcomings”.
What IS missing is a real response from Mark and Stan Meckler to the important issues being raised here.
What the heck… the Meckler’s claim to be THE Tea Party leaders but refuse to be accountable to the Tea Party members raising these issues?
So much for transparency and accountability. Talk about hypocrites!
Not to worry, this is all set to hit the national media. Seems George’s blog site and all this will get some national attention soon.
The cat is out of the bag and the light has been turned on by folks like Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern… thank you for telling the truth!

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Laura Boatright

02 August 2010

Let’s just get one thing straight here, it’s MECKLER who chooses to air “dirty laundry” publicly. The rest of us are simply ANSWERING the topic at hand.
As I said in my initial post (on the original article), HE has chosen to keep the Williams’ story ALIVE, which taints the movement TOO, INSTEAD of placing the “racist issue” SQUARELY WHERE IT BELONGS: ON THE LEFT. “They” OWN the history and people like Meckler choose to settle personal vendettas rather than “never let a good crisis go to waste” and educate the public…MAKE THEM RESEARCH THE FACTS AND THINK!
TPP/Meckler made a formal statement about Williams’ blog…IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED THERE.
Is it that he, like so many “conservatives” and America at large, don’t KNOW the history? Or is he afraid to broach the subject? Or is he more concerned with positioning TPP over TPE? Or does he have an unhealthy need to “settle the score” with Mark Williams as a personal matter?
These aren’t just “growing pains”…those of you on the outside don’t know the division that Meckler has CAUSED here in Cali. You don’t know the underhanded tactics, or threats, or that ORGANIZERS (team players, the ones who spend their TIME working tables and walking neighborhoods…LIKE THE “LEADERS” DON’T DO) are having to spend their hard-earned money to PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY FROM TEA PARTY PATRIOTS by incorporating. THAT doesn’t bother anyone?? It sure ticks ME off!
I’m sick of it also. I’d prefer to concentrate on exposing the REAL “Cracker Party” (Democrat->Confederate->Democrat->Jim Crow/Poll Tax/KKK->segregationist->dogs & firehoses on Freedom Fighters->now Marxist; Equal Opportunity Oppressors Party) that intends to put us all back on the farm and institute Plantation Economics…but NOOOOO! We have to sit here and talk about which group has the most contacts, how great the Mecklers are, defend organizers who have given their ALL (and continue to,despite the “friendly fire”) and discuss who are the rightful “owners” of the title “FOUNDER(S)” of the movement.
PS- I don’t see any criticism here about Meckler communicating with TPMuckraker (liberal blogger) when it serves his purposes…how about applying the same rules to all? That’s kind one of the things that the TP movement is about too. “Equal JUSTICE”, right?

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Russ Steele, the Meckler defender has just posted the following under George’s “Smart meter story”.
Russ Steele goes after Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern and says they have “bruised egos” and no proof that the Meckler’s have been up to no good.
Russ, be careful what you ask for!
Here’s part of Russ’s slam on Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern:
“One other thought, with out specific evidence to support the claims of Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern could it be we are just dealing with some bruised egos. They all claimed to have e-mails, screen shots and photos evidence of wrong doing, but we have not seen this evidence posted to web sites were the data can be observed and evaluated by third parties. Why? You are accepting their side of the story with our doing any critical thinking. Why?

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Todd Juvinall

02 August 2010

Steve Enos, you need to get a scanner and a life. We don’t care that you hate the TPP. This is a conservative blog so you are spitting into the wind. Stay over a the leftwing blog where dissent from liberal ideology is censored by the dictator.

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RL Crabb

02 August 2010

Todd, you do me wrong. Nowhere here have I made a negative judgement on the allegations against the Mecklers. I only illustrate the negativity that comes from those on the opposing sides. For the past twelve years I’ve called on both camps to hold a reasonable dialogue. It’s only in that endeavor that I consider my efforts to be an utter failure. Unlike you, I’ll continue trying.
(Forgive me, George. This will be my last comment on my supposed bias.)

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Earth to Todd Juvinall… Mandy Morello and Dave Kern have been posting on Jeff Peline’s blog site about these issues. That’s because you and a few others here and the Meckler’s refuse to respond to the issues they have raised.
Attack the messengers all you want, but the messages are getting out for folks to see.

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Mandy Morello

02 August 2010

OMGosh this is truly a disgusting and pathetic reader base you have here George. The obvious idolatry your readers have towards a man rather than the movement is just sickening.
I would like to ask whom here has heard of myself, Laura, David or Larry before these posts? Nobody except Steve, which by the way has never said anything against TPP the organization or the the actual members of TPP…he has only questioned the leadership! Since nobody has heard of us, how could we be inflating our own egos? The only ego being inflated as they see their minions band together blindly attacking whomever they please , spinning the questioning away from himself as masterfully as Obama crafted to his blind mindless followers, is Meckler .
George, I have been told that you have erased a comment made by David Jenest from Crimewatch, informing you that your posts come very close to slander and liable. Now unlike Meckler, I do not sue a fellow Patriot for whom they befriend and like Laura stated above we did not comment here for any other reason than to tell the truth from the lies you are posting that pertain to us. The reason we have not made a website to air the dirty laundry is because we are above that and if we put energy into taking down an annoyance rather than to stop our elected leaders from destroying our country, what would that prove? Plus in order to fully out Meckler, there will be many that do not need to involved in this but will be dragged into this playground fight, Meckler knows who they are, we know who they are and so do the other leaders.
The rest of us have bigger fights than playing ring-around-the-rosie with a backwoods blogger that has most likely never been to anything other than the Monster rallies at the capitol (which I helped put on) or wrote anything other than what Meckler tells him to.
We have real work to do in order to help save this nation. There are still about 30% nationwide that are still under Obama’s spell ….looks like the same rings true for the morons following Meckler.

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George Rebane

02 August 2010

Mandy, thanks for clearing up ‘David Jenest from Crimewatch’. It looked like a spam post when I went to the linked site so I erased it. If my “posts come very close to slander and liable(sic)”, then he needs to include the specifics so that we can all assess his serious accusation. Please inform him of this. (Here are some interesting pieces on this David Jenest http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297524.shtml)
Now about you Mandy, you know very little about me and have added precious little to this conversation since your first comment. Your continued unscaffolded vitriol is beginning to be tiresome to this “backwoods blogger”, and therefore I strongly recommend that you either bring something more to this party, or quit playing “ring-around-the-rosie” on RR.

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

“George, I have been told that you have erased a comment made by David Jenest from Crimewatch, informing you that your posts come very close to slander and liable”.
George is this true? Did you do this?

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Mandy Morello

02 August 2010

Seeing that I have already posted this email on my facebook post that Steve has posted here, I will give you just the tip of the iceberg of “something more I can bring to this party” This will also point out that, like I said above, the outing of Meckler would bring unnecessary turmoil to other leaders that do not need Meckler’s wrath and lies spread about them.
You asked for it, now you deal with it…. looks like one of your own has a problem with Mark, his DEMANDS on the Tea Party Leaders and his childish behavior. Careful what you wished for George, you just might get it.
And as for David’s comments, how could they be spam when they site a specific name or topic described in this thread?
—–Original Message—–
From: Ginny Rapini norcalteaparty1@aol.com
To: amorello5401 amorello5401@sbcglobal.net; EMAILS HAVE BEEN REMOVED TO PROTECT THE BOARD MEMBERS
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 4:59 pm
Subject: Board Decision on Debate
OK – after talking to each one of you today, the majority rule is that we proceed with supporting the debate. Mandy, Steve and Del said to move forward. Walt said no and Hank was a bit hesitant. I did not vote because I am in the middle of this unnecessary drama and have VERY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW!
This issue with Mark and Larry is way overblown and shouldn’t cause a boycott of a debate among candidates that none of us are endorsing or promoting in any way. So what. Mark and Larry have an issue. Is that justification to pull away from an educational forum that our people have been begging for? I think not. (I can say that now that the vote is in). What do the rest of the candidates have to do with Larry and Mark’s disagreement? NOTHING.
I did what Mark requested I do. Namely, I removed the TPP logo from sponsorship on all the fliers and e-mails that are going out. I also sent out a Constant Contact e-mail to his Sacramento list and told them the we were retracting our sponsorship. That was worse to do than if we’d just quietly back away. But NO – that’s what Mark demanded! It’s his site, so I did it. I did not, however, send out a retraction from our site and have no intention of doing so.
This whole thing has taken up and wasted and entire day of my time and I’m taking heat like you wouldn’t believe from those on his list wondering what I am doing to destroy Mark! Or what I’m doing to poor Larry. Why did I cancel the debate? How could I bring this down singlehandedly? This is a nightmare and an unnecessary one at that.
So – our meeting is cancelled. Steve, can you call Patrick and tell him? I will send out more e-mails from our site (removing Mecklers however – all of them) reminding them of the debate.
Well, just while I’ve been writing this cute little note, my e-mail box is filling faster than I can count so off I go to hear more CRAP from those “concerned” TPers! It’s easy to understand the fight we have with the enemy. It’s tough to realize that we also have to fight those from within!
Ginny Rapini
NorCal Tea Party Patriots Coordinator
California State Advisor
Sacramento Coordinator
norcalteaparty1@aol.com
P.O. Box 236
Colfax, CA 95713
(530) 389-2464
http://www.NorCalTeaPartyPatriots.org

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Sarah H

02 August 2010

Mandy Morello = Benedict Arnold?

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Mandy Morello

02 August 2010

Do you even know the definition of Bendict Arnold? Apparently not! Benedict Arnold fought against the Patriots for England to prevent America from Independence…. Name one thing that Mark Meckler has done in order to get some real action done? Has he collected signatures for any of the initiatives, has he been the man on the street? No he hasn’t, he has been a media whore himself.
Name any idea he has solely come up with that has been successful…nothing.. where is Citizen Power Campaign on the ballot. Instead he spends the hard earned, donated dollars to fly around the country bashing other TP Organizations or threatening leaders, that actually get the work done, with lawsuits or booting them from the TPP. That is the true definition of a Bendict Arnold…someone that is preventing the masses from escaping tyranny for his own personal gain!

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George Rebane

02 August 2010

Dear People – some of the TPP debate and comments leaked into the next post which has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand here. I have implemented a new comment policy described here –
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/08/new-comment-policy-on-ruminations.html

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Steve Enos

02 August 2010

Since Sarah H. calls Mandy Morello… a “Benedict Arnold” maybe Sarah H. will stand up and provide her full name for folks to see.
I give much credit and respect to Mandy for stepping up for what she believes in, it’s brave and needed. In addition a big thanks to Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern for standing up for what is right. Sorry to see the personal attacks being leveled at you folks, it’s just plain wrong on so many levels.
It is sad to see the threats that are now being directed at these folks for shinning light on what the Meckler’s have been up to and how they have conducted themselves.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Mark Meckler came forward to discuss these issues here? Will Mark Meckler join the conversation or will he continue to hide? Will this “Tea Party Profiteer” step up or will he sit back and allow others to attack and disparage Mandy Morello, Laura Boatright, Larry Naritelli and Dave Kern in their efforts to protect the Meckler’s?
This is a classic case of The Emperor Has No Clothes. Are those that try to profit in a time of war Patriots or Profiteers? In this case it’s clear. Thank God there are folks willing to say what needs to be said, those willing to place the needs and interests of the many above the needs (and profits) of the few… that is being a true Patriot!
Sarah H. can call Mandy Morello a “Benedict Arnold” 24/7 but that won’t make it so. Those that standup to tyranny and oppression wherever it lives are true Patriots!

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