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George Rebane

We recently took a look at an operational definition of Socialist; this is an attempt to serve up the same treatment for ‘Racist’.   The notions of racism and racists have been bandied about in the public forum with ever increasing frequency since the Civil Rights Act of 1957.  Had we been playing racist paintball instead, I suspect that almost all of us would have a splatter or two that hit us from more directions than we can count.  Calling someone a racist has become a national pastime to the point that the label is now almost irrelevant for understanding.

People 

The respected American Heritage (unabridged) Dictionary defines ‘race’ as –

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

And ‘racism’ is defined as –

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

‘Racist’ is not explicitly defined, but it is pretty clear that a racist is a person who believes in or practices racism as defined above.


Like many (most?) dictionary definitions, the above are pretty low grade ore.  Most of them seem to be written by people who are innumerate, have poor critical thinking skills, and don’t get out much.

Take the race1 definition – “distinguished” by whom to what level of reliability?  “more or less distinct”??!!  Moving on to race2 – “united or classified together” by whom?  Is my defining a set of humans and giving them a label the same as yours?  And from race3 – “A genealogical line” is a binary tree with you as the root that expands into the past for, say, N generations and yields 2 to the Nth power ‘lines’; Seven generations back gives you 128 lines.  Which line did you pick? Which one did I?  What’s Obama?

And then there’s racism1 – “accounts for differences”; does that mean all, or any, or some, or … ?  You’d be a bit deficient if you said that race, as defined above, did NOT contribute to some differences in “character or ability”, or anything else for that matter, in any given human being.  Science shrieks when asked to prove such a negative proposition.  And note that racism1 includes the logical “and” to weld in the “superior” assessment.  It is almost certain that given some social utility function, certain differences, perhaps not all known, will make one ‘race’ superior to one or more of the others.  Again, you’d be foolish to argue a reasonable basis for the negative.

For racism2 we run smack dab into the political correctness that has robbed English of so much of its elegance and semantic precision.  ‘Discriminate’ is now one of those newspeak words that no longer means just the ability to tell this from that.  So if you notice that the arrangement of the gluteus maximus muscles of certain ‘black’ guys is a hell of a lot better for jumping than those of ‘white’ guys, and happen to point that out, you’re splattered with a racist paintball.

And similarly if you notice the unusually high fractions of Jews of east European Ashkenazi descent populating the professions ranging from art through business to science, and happen to note that or make a (Bayesian) decision on that assessment, you’re a racist according to what we’ve read.  Oh yes, and if, for example, you know nothing more of two candidates – one a Jew and the other a Muslim – for a position in, say, business, and with that information you have to pick one, you’re a prejudiced racist if you prejudge them both and pick the Jew.

With this kind of formal support to guide us into the heart of the matter, race, racism, and racist, in and of themselves, become meaningless hot air.  To the extent that they claim meaning, they may mean anything and everything that the speaker chooses.  (The Red Queen from Carroll’s Alice comes to mind.)  The stupid, the politicians, and people in the law industry (not necessarily orthogonal sets) use the words willy-nilly for excitement and profit.

So until there is some further clarification coming down the pike, I am a racist.  And so are you, … now what are we going to do?

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93 responses to “Who is a Racist?”

  1. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Well I think this just about says it all. It is the David Duke defense–the language is imprecise, the stereotypes are usually true, if we only have that to judge on then it is accurate, its all relative to what individual defines race and racism, parts of science are on my side–I swear Africans CAN jump higher and Jews are better with money!–it not me, I swear, I AM NOT a racist!

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  2. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    By the way, who is the picture of?
    Is it a United Colors of Benetton ad? ….or is it the winners of the Sierra Environmental Studies Foundation TechTest 2010?

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  3. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Sherman! Set the Wayback machine to the 1960’s
    You need to engage your flux-capacitor and come
    back to the future…Mc Fly

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  4. RL Crabb Avatar

    Well, I just spent an hour writing a response to this item and when I went to post it, I got “we cannot accept this data.” Any suggestions on where I went wrong?

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  5. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Bob, I’ve had that happen to me also; it seems that TypePad times you out after a while. I always compose longer comments and posts in my favorite text editor (e.g. Word), and then paste it into the post or comment box. That way I always have a copy until I see that the system accepts my input. On TypePad, when I have received such a notice, shutting down the webpage and restarting it usually clears it up and allows you to paste in what you have written.
    If you still have a problem, email me your comment and I’ll post it appropriately. Looking forward to your thoughts.

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  6. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    I would say judging from Frisch’s response that he has unmasked the real racist. And it isn’t George. Mirror needed?

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  7. RL Crabb Avatar

    I’ve been called a racist more times than I can count. The latest was implied when I chose to defend a statement on another blog, being told that I “missed the freedom train” and that I was basically out of touch with current attitudes.
    I certainly have seen enough of it in my life. Back in 1978, I had a conversation with my grandfather about politics and race came up. Gramps said that he never hurt anyone, but if a certain group got “uppity” he and his friends would caution them to hold their tongues. I suspected he had ties to the klan, and at my mother’s funeral a few years ago I asked my uncles about it. One of them confirmed my suspicions, the other was shocked and had no idea that his dad was a terrorist.
    I did a strip about it when the Village Idiot was running daily. I did it as a conversation between myself and Gramp’s ghost. Since ghosts are usually portrayed with white sheets, I went that route, except I gave him a pointed head. The object was to confront my Grandfather’s (and my own) sins. It caused a ruckus and prompted a call from the editor.
    Things were different in Gramp’s day. Racism was an accepted way of life in much of the country. As Glenn Beck likes to point out, Woodrow Wilson was an extreme racist. When I was growing up, my parents used the “n” word frequently. Dad’s middle name was Wilson, after Woody, although for different reasons than his prejudices. Ironically, during Mom’s final years, she had two black doctors, and it was never a problem.
    In 1972, I moved to the deep south. Things had changed from the sixties. Everyone ate together, worked together and played together. There were still remnants of the old south, like Lt. Gov. Lester Maddox’s little shop where he sold autographed axe handles, a throwback to the days when he ran blacks out of his restaurant. But still, it was quite different than the images we saw on TV only ten years earlier of dogs and hoses and nightsticks.
    We still have a ways to go. Along the way it is important to remember that labels are a form of racism in itself, and when we conveniently label someone a racist because we disagree with them politically, we are in danger of repeating the very sin we seek to expunge. A new McCarthyism.

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  8. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Sorry about the caps, I wasn’t looking and am too lazy to retype.
    RL, I couldn’t agree more with you. When I grew up here we were not a diverse county regarding race. My parents never talked race or called other races names so I did not get “taught” something I had to be “untaught”. I moved to Socal in 1971 and worked with my hands along side many other races. I discovered they all wanted what I wanted, to get ahead! We were fast friends and none of us talked race because it was not relevant to our lives and friendships with each other. When I did better and became a manager of 50 employees, I promoted people on merit, attitude and likability. Guess what? Other races were promoted. I don’t look through the prism of race and I am unapologetic about that fact. I do tire though of self hating people who do. Since we are still a county that is 95% Caucasian, I would be interested to know how the liberals claim some sort of moral high ground about raCE AND POINT FINGERS AT OTHERS. fOR INSTANCE, fRISCH, CLAIMS SOME SORT OF HIGH GROUND YET HAS NOT GIVEN US THE BREAKDOWN OF THE RACES IN HIS OWN non profit ORGANIZATION. I WOULD SUSPECT SINCE 95% OF THE county is white that he has 95% white. anyway, I find the liberals are the true racists and the conservatives are just simple plain opportunity lovers.

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  9. John Costello Avatar

    The whole idea of ‘race’ is filled with so many different traps it’s really not worth discussing. Back in the 1890s the Irish were a ‘race,’ as I suppose were the Estonians and Italians and Germans and French and English. Academic anthropologists lumped all whites together (eg Queen Elizabeth and Ghandi)and cut the number down to nine and then three and then decided the whole idea was a delusion because it was such a hot topic. Of course everyone still seem to obsess about it.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Well said JohnC. The semantic precision of ‘racist’ has been destroyed, even if such precision ever existed. Today it is used by charlatans and political opportunists as a weapon to score points with the unthinking.

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  11. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Well said John. The idea of race does however
    make an excellent and unfortunate tool for those
    wishing to manipulate. The really sad part about
    what is happening now, is that the very people
    being manipulated, are the ones who will be used
    as a tool to reduce their own liberty.

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  12. RL Crabb Avatar

    Just because the label is overused doesn’t mean that there aren’t racists in the Republican/Tea Party ranks. The Sac Bee has an article today about racists trying to recruit their way into the movement, and the motivational speaker at your own recent Tea Party event just got kicked out for a fictitious letter that was clearly over the line. I wouldn’t get too smug about liberals being the only racists.

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  13. Steve Frisch Avatar
    Steve Frisch

    I love this–let me see if I understand the point, because you know according to George and Jeff I am an idiot–you can’t be racists because races don’t exist!

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  14. Russ Steele Avatar

    Several individuals have been asked to leave Tea Party Rallies for having racist signs. VP Biden admits that it is only a few individuals that are causing the problem at some rallies.
    Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin, co-founders of Tea Party Patriots.
    “At Tea Party Patriots we will continue to condemn the fringe elements of the movement and any expression of racism or bigotry.”
    I think the left is just using the racist charges to label the Tea Party so that people of color will shun the organization, as it has a lot of appeal to all American’s who support freedom and individual responsibility regardless of skin color.

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  15. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Often commenters allow themselves to get very creative about what they take away from the original post. Some so they can expand the discussion, and others so that they can better direct their indignation and holy wrath at the clay pigeons they fashion and launch. While it is great sport to shoot clay pigeons, the careful reader will not confuse this with debating the real thing.

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  16. Russ Steele Avatar

    Jeff,
    Naked self promotion how unbecoming. You used to rejected this kind of self promotion out right when editor at The Union. My, my how the screw has turned.
    You quoted only part of what I wrote above, ignoring what Mark and Jenny Beth, founders of the TTP, wrote in the Politico Op-Ed. They have condemned any expression of racism. They problem is that multiple tea parties have developed, the Tea Party Express is run by a Republican Consultant. It is not part of the local Tea Party Patriots, nor was Mark Williams a member of the Tea Party Patriots, even though he was one of the MCs at the Nevada County Tea Party Launch. Since then the TPP has been distancing themselves from Mark Williams and the TP Express.
    Your broad brush attempt to paint all TPP members as being tainted by the presence of Mark Williams at our very first rally is despicable. He had not yet committed his unfortunate act of racism. So, now we are all post guilty. How unfortunate, no how stupid!

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  17. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Russ,
    Hold on. It’s not “naked self promotion;” it’s holding up a mirror. You promoted the guy as a “motivational speaker” in your blog post, and you took his picture. ” A nice gathering of neighbors,” your friend George wrote about the event. Williams spoke here as part of a locally organized gathering. It’s a fact. What do you have to say for yourself? Nothing. Instead, you attack me. That is despicable — and telling. I have vowed never to post on this blog, given the physical threats made toward me by your regular posters. But I cannot let this assault go unanswered.

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  18. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Why would someone even be attracted to coming to a Tea Party rally with a racist sign? Its nor like its common to just make up a racist sign is it? I mean what kind of person is it that does not notice that when they are drawing a picture of our President they draw him with triple sized lips? It must be subconscious huh?
    I mean do you see racist signs at the Republican National Convention? I don’t remember ever having to tell anyone not to bring a racist sign to a football game. They seem to get John 3:16 right, but I don’t see any oversized signs with black men with, how did George put it on his site, “the arrangement of the gluteus maximus muscles of certain ‘black’ guys is a hell of a lot better for jumping than those of ‘white’ guys.
    How about an anti-war rally? A grateful dead concert?
    No, sorry guys, but this about the people you attract. You use language that spreads fear about ‘losing our country’, ‘real Americans’ and ‘losing our culture’ and you attract people that respond to that sort of nonsense. And many of them are racists. Then you have to go around and try to get rid of people that embarrass you.
    You bring it on yourselves, then claim that the left is responsible for, “labeling the Tea Party so that people of color will shun the organization”.
    Its your cesspool boys. Enjoy the swim.

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  19. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Russ and George, don’t take the bait from these hypocrites. They are using the Sal Alinsky playbook. They are just amateurs and can’t even do justice to their great socialist revolutionary. Mark Williams promoted a parody, poorly done and the Tea Party booted him. These liberals here want to try and taint the movement because they are the antithesis of freedom. Don’t get in a fight with a dog that his fleas. BTW, I’d like to see the guest lists of these liberals. But of course, they would deny everything.

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  20. D.King Avatar
    D.King

    Here you go Steven.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYfmShJe5MA
    You must be so proud.

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  21. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Todd,
    I am a moderate and have voted for Republicans (including Ronald Reagan) and Democrats over the years. When it comes to politics, I am pragmatic, not an ideaologue. Thanks.

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  22. Russ Steele Avatar

    The Tea Party keeps growing and growing in the Sierra. Obama’s ratings keep falling, House race polls indicate Republicans are with reach of a turn over, California Senate is now a toss up, and you guys are getting more shrill. LOL.

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  23. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Russ,
    I have no problems if the Republicans win the House or if Fiornia beats Boxer. Let the chips fall where they may. I do have a problem with racism, however, including racism in our community. We moved to the Sierra to raise our son in a different environment than the one I see more and more often.

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  24. Russ Steele Avatar

    Outside the Beltway:
    In a sign that the Obama Administration is unwilling to associate it self with the “Tea Party = Racism” discussion that the NAACP started last week, Vice-President Biden said this morning that he did not believe it was true:
    “Do you think elements of the Tea Party are racist?” This Week anchor Jake Tapper asked Vice President Joe Biden in an EXCLUSIVE interview. Biden equivocated at first, but then settled on a pretty firm no.
    “Well, the truth is that at least elements that were involved in some of the Tea Party folks expressed racist views,” he said.
    “I wouldn’t characterize the Tea Party as racist. There are individuals who are either members of or on the periphery of some of their things, their — their protests — that have expressed really unfortunate comments.
    (…)
    “I don’t believe, the president doesn’t believe that the Tea Party is — is a racist organization. I don’t believe that,” Biden said. “Very conservative. Very different views on government and a whole lot of things. But it is not a racist organization.”

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  25. Russ Steele Avatar

    Jeff,
    How many of the TPP events have you attended? None? One? More than two. Have never attended on how do you know what goes on at the, rallies the luncheons, the wine tasting?

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  26. Jeff Pellne Avatar
    Jeff Pellne

    Russ,
    I, for one, fully agree that the Tea Party “is not a racist organization.” Whoever said it was? But it has racist and intolerant elements that have gone unchecked, including the speakers like Williams in our community and protestors at parades. http://jeffpelline.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/tea-potty-mouth-revisited-in-light-of-williams-ouster/
    RL Crabb asked some very legitimate questions about what else the Tea Party believes in that were never answered.
    I would like our public officals (including McClintock, who attended last summer’s rally, to speak out against any racism). I think it would be a real plus for the community.
    I also hope the local media explores the issue as well, rather than sweep it under the rug.

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  27. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Bullhockey–tea party leaders intentionally use dog whistle messages to send racial messages in order to attract their clientele. Biden and the President are wrong, or they are pragmatic. They know the TPP are racists, but why start a race debate in an America that is only two generations from widespread lynching and one generation up from attack dogs? All that would serve to do is empower the race baiters.

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  28. Steven Frisch Avatar
    Steven Frisch

    Still wondering George, where did the picture come from? Is it a group of young people you work with regularly? They look so happy. Are they on a mission with your church? Looks like a tropical location. Or did you download a picture of happy smiling diverse youth from the web? Just curious.

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  29. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Frisch, you are the leader, paid at least, of a non profit in Truckee, is that right? What are the demographics of your organization? I am always amused at race baiters who move to the whitest county in California then complain about “lack of “diversity”. I have heard people like you since the SF Chronicle did some stories 20 years ago about the very same topic. I would say you have zero credibility on this issue since you could have moved anywhere in the country and practiced what you are supposedly preaching. Nevada County doesn’t need race baiters, it is a simple, peaceful place.

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  30. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Martin, I just read Mark Williams speech and I see his point. There seems to be a lack of outrage against the Black Panthers by the NAACP and them calling for the murder of white babies while they condemn his parody. The race baiters on this thread have not called for the NAACP to condemn the panthers, why do you think that?

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  31. Russ Steele Avatar

    Black man defends the Tea Party at the American Thinker, I have bolded the important paragraph.
    As far as Democrats, the Obama administration, and the liberal mainstream media are concerned, Obama’s race trumps everything.
    In a blatant assault on our free speech as Americans, for the first time in U.S. history, we have a president of whom any criticism, satire, and negative portrayals will be attacked as racist. Offenders are denounced, shunned, and defamed by Obama’s Enforcers, the liberal mainstream media.
    Falling into the defensive trap, some Tea Party leaders have suggested that we change our name. They say, “The term “Tea Party” has become so negative.” The liberal mainstream media is going to trash us no matter what we call ourselves, even if we change our name to the “Happy Go Lucky Really Nice People” movement.
    News flash! The goal of the liberal mainstream media is to “crush” the Tea Party Movement. Obama is their guy. The liberal mainstream media’s unprecedented protection of Obama during the election, skipping the usual vetting process for one applying for the job of leader of the free world, won Obama the White House. Along with their racist support because he is black, the liberal mainstream wholeheartedly embraces Obama’s socialist/progressive agenda.
    Thus, it is foolish for Tea Party patriots to pander to our enemy, the liberal mainstream media. Relentlessly, the liberal mainstream media Obama-ites and Progressivism religious zealots will distort, lie, and do whatever is necessary to divide and conquer us. Brothers and sisters, please do not fall for it. God bless.
     – Lloyd Marcus, (black) Proud Unhyphenated American

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  32. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Finally! A black journalist from the left with outrage at the hypocrisy of the NAACP.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/07/19/2010-07-19_is_naacp_blind_to_farrakhan__co.html

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  33. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    As an illustration of the reading skills brought to bear here, what other unanswered questions concerning additional published core (or any other for that matter) beliefs of the TPP did RL Crabb ask?
    It is important to separate additional beliefs that individual TPP members hold from those of the organization they support. To join the two is either childish or panders to the ignorant, and is not anything that contributes to understanding either the original subject matter of this post or to the expanded topic of what principles unite and motivate the TPP as a political movement.
    I and others have been very explicit on the latter, here on RR and on other local media.

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  34. Mikey McD Avatar

    TPP core values are 1.) fiscal responsibility 2.) Adherence to the Constitution 3.) Free Market Capitalism…. this racist b.s. is getting too much play. Those who stand to lose power/$ to smaller government will use every card in the deck to combat the growing freedom movement.

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  35. Bud Fox Avatar
    Bud Fox

    A moderate? Jeff Pelline, a moderate what? Saying or writing he is doesn’t make it true. For years Jeff Pelline has demonstrated himself as being a left swinger by attacking anyone or issue that is Conservative. Words are cheap and plentiful but actions really tell the truth.

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  36. D. King Avatar
    D. King

    Well said Mikey McD.
    And like the long distance runner who sprints too
    early, this meme won’t make it to the finish line.

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  37. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Racism is wrong. Racism is bad. Racism has no place in America, in California, or in Nevada County. And I have yet to read anything that would lead me to believe that the TPP embraces racism as a part of its core belief system.
    I have two wishes:
    1. That the NAACP had published the resolution in full so we have more than a press release to go on. They will not vote on, or fully adopt, the resolution until October. I see no reason to attempt to parse a press release.
    2. That the TPP and other TP orgs had immediately and forcefully repudiated racism as soon as the issue came up in their ranks last summer.
    When I traveled to the south in the 1970s, I witnessed overt racism in person several different times. As a naive California 21-yr.-old visiting Baton Rouge one of those times, I came to the defense of an older black man who was being abused by his white boss. The boss laughed at me and left, and then the old man grabbed me by the scruff of the collar. He growled at me, “Boy, you got no business stickin’ your nose where it don’t belong, we don’t need no uppity white kids comin’ down here to save us–we don’t need savin’, so get the hell outa here.”
    That’s how I learned at an early age that race relations in America are extremely complicated. This country has come a very long way since the Civil Rights Era. But it still has a long way to go. All of the TPP spokespersons I have read have repudiated racism several times, so I am ready to move on to other topics.
    But not before I bring up this comment of yours, George: “The semantic precision of ‘racist’ has been destroyed, even if such precision ever existed.” I believe I made the same case to you regarding ‘progressive,’ ‘liberal,’ ‘independent,’ and ‘conservative.’ What do those terms mean anymore? But you retorted that terms still have value since even a crude stereotype is better than nothing. Doesn’t ‘racist’ fit that category?

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  38. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Mark Williams remains a designated spokesperson for the Tea Party Express. That’s telling.

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  39. Michael Anderson Avatar
    Michael Anderson

    Whoops, I should also add “socialist” to that list! (-:
    “But not before I bring up this comment of yours, George: ‘The semantic precision of “racist” has been destroyed, even if such precision ever existed.’ I believe I made the same case to you regarding “progressive,” “liberal,” “independent,” and “conservative.” What do those terms mean anymore? But you retorted that terms still have value since even a crude stereotype is better than nothing. Doesn’t “racist” fit that category?”

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  40. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    SteveE, I may have accidentally blown away one of your recent comments misusing my iPhone this morning. Apologies if so, please re-post.

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  41. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    MichaelA – I already did ‘Who is a Socialist?’ to inform RR readers in the manner I use and append that term. As always, your comments on that are welcome.
    Re racist – I feel that our society’s need has expanded for several, some perhaps nuanced, meanings for what ‘racist’ is forced to cover today. Its descriptive power is almost nil in regard to its ability to successfully predict the behavior of someone so labeled. To me that is a or the major element of an operational definition. Let me wander a bit.
    For years I have been a member of a ‘men only’ poker group that plays once a month. We have a blast when we play, telling raunchy jokes, making politically incorrect remarks (some of which are definitely sexist), and in general talking a lot of man-talk that would probably either bore or raise more than an eyebrow of a woman. It’s a man thing and there may even be men who would not feel comfortable in that group. We like it, feel relaxed and secure in its confines, and so it has become an institution. We are all exercising the discriminatory right of association – ‘no women!’ – when we come together in a private home. (I suspect such groups are legion.)
    To what extent – i.e. applying other exclusionary parameters – are we still able to come together privately with likeminded people for whatever legal purposes we desire. Could one have a quilting circle that allows no men and also no women of French descent (‘lineage’), of Ghanaian citizenry, or being born on the Arabian peninsula? Could one have a black osteopathic association, a white osteopathic association? Could one have any of these without being ostracized with the general term racist? And if identically labeled for each of these cases, will that label communicate effectively for each case? What term should be used if I want to discriminate between the quilting circle member, and the member of the black osteopathic association?
    In technology we have always immediately coined new words to define the new things we invent. This has allowed rapid and effective communication in the field, and therefore supported further creativity. In non-technical speak, this process of expanding the lexicon is painfully slow, and gives rise to a lot of political heat with very little light. Why can’t we have ‘racist1’ to mean this, and ‘racist2’ to mean that, and ‘racist3’ to mean something altogether different, but all belonging to the super-class ‘racist’? Wouldn’t that be a more useful way to carry on a conversation?
    In any event, it is with that spirit that I have defined and for broader use offer my own definitions of not only ‘socialist’, but all the other terms that you have listed at some future date. I always welcome anyone asking me ‘in what sense did you use …?’

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  42. Mikey McD Avatar

    I couldn’t help it. I love Tracy Morgan (a.k.a Tracy Jordan)… speaking of racism and Mel Gibson tapes…
    “[Mel Gibson tapes] selling like hot cakes in Compton. Calling women bitches and using the n word, that ain’t nothing but hip-hop.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/15/tracy-morgan-weighs-in-on_n_647231.html

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  43. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George posted… “SteveE, I may have accidentally blown away one of your recent comments misusing my iPhone this morning. Apologies if so, please re-post”.
    Thanks George… Here is the post that was removed. Below is just part of what Tea Party founder Mandy Morello had to say about Mark Williams vs. Mark Meckler. Mandy Morello is a very conservative conservative and has a lot to say about Mark Meckler.
    George would be nice to see what you think about this as you have been a supporter of Mark Meckler
    The Tea Party? Mark Meckler? Mark Meckler and the Tea Party?… you must read what one of the “first leaders” of the Tea Party movement now has to say about Mark Meckler. Here is the link to the full story:
    http://brooksbayne.com/post/670292937/mandy-morello-disassociates-from-tea-party-patriots
    This is just part of the Mark Meckler blog story…
    “As far as I am concerned, Mark Meckler has proven to be worse than Mark Williams ever was. We know Mark Williams is a showman and spin artist extraordinaire. Mark Williams, at least, has the conviction to be who he is and to not quietly manipulate enthusiastic volunteers who are desperately looking for someone or someway to reclaim their country from total destruction. Mark Meckler led us to believe that he and his leadership would be different, and that he was a stand up guy who would fight “business as usual” politics. Instead, he has lowered us and this movement to a point that makes “business as usual” politics look more mature than we are! This is supposed to be a “starfish movement!” It will still continue without me. I hope the remaining Tea Party Patriots prove it is just that, a Starfish movement. I hope they are able to move on and not have to deal the childish temper tantrums coming from a Self Proclaimed National Tea Party Leader’s ego when volunteers choose not to step to the beat of his drum!
    I wish you all the best and God Bless America and our Troops!
    Mandy Morello
    GOP Trumpeter

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    Todd Juvinall

    George, this is quite funny actually. Enos slams conservatives at every turn, calls them liars and every other vile name he can come up with, but wait! He seems to be giving credence to a conservative Tea Party person. I thought they were all liars and charlatans Steve?

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    Steve Enos

    Todd can make all the “claims” he wanta about me, that doesn’t make them true.
    I know and respect a lot of R’s and conservatives and I dislike a number of D’s and “Lib’s”. And if anyone is known for name calling and nasty personal attacks it’s Todd.
    Can Todd respond to the issue? Can todd respond to what Mandy Morello, a very conservative conservative has said about Mark Meckler and how Mark Meckler operates?
    Can you offer a rational response?

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  46. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    My response is to look at your response. Someone claiming something about someone else is a liberal playbook page. You fit that to a TEE. Look in the mirror for the problem. My hands a re clean. You people claim they are all loons but you think you can get some sort of traction by citing what someone else says. The enemy of my enemy is my friend? You all need to grow up and stp your school yard play.

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    Steve Enos

    So Mandy Morello is a liberal? Nope Mandy Morelle was a key founder of the Tea Party and is a hard right conservative, just read her blog for some insight.
    It’s telling when one of the key Tea Party movement founders makes this powerful of a statement about a fellow conservative and Tea Party leader. This is the issue I raise and it seems some can’t reply or address this issue.
    If one is a “member” or supporter of the Tea Party this is worthy of additonal discovery and consideration.

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  48. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Let me see. Well, golly, 40 million TPP members, a couple of disgruntled members and viola’ liberals foaming at the mouth. Oh Please, get real.

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