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George Rebane

Russ Steele and I are a constant thorn in the side of local liberals.  Yesterday Russ addressed the ad hominem vitriol that comes from our neighbors on the left (here and here), and again raised some excellent points on the reception of our writings and ruminations.  As Russ points out, the overwhelming feedback from that quarter simply demonstrates the lack of reading and/or critical thinking skills of the respondents.  To that extent they provide a certain humor content to the rest of our readers.

And to be fair, there is the occasional serious comment where the liberal and collectivist views are presented to counter the point(s) made in the post.  These are appreciated in the extreme and their writers are encouraged to continue contending in the arena of ideas.

But unfortunately when a progressive knows he will be bringing a knife to a gunfight (apologies to Indiana Jones), he resorts to personal attacks on the conservative writers and worse.  The worst part is the compelling nature of the leftwinger to argue and militate for the censoring and expulsion of conservative and libertarian contributors to the public debate.

These self-aggrandized champions of personal freedoms immediately go for the First Amendment throat of their opposite numbers.  They use bizarre logic that argues for the prohibition of conservative ideas broadcast into a population that they contend is mostly liberal.  An example is the aggravation they show to my monthly column in The Union.

That newspaper publishes about 130 op-ed pieces a month of various flavors.  Most of us on the right see a bit of tilt to the left, and I’m sure that the left is convinced of the opposite.  But my little monthly screed is 1/130th of the newspaper’s commentary, yet the progressives howl at the publisher to have my column expunged with the regularity of wolves under a full moon.

This phenomenon is not peculiar only to this remote mountain county, it is a nationwide, and more accurately, an international affliction unique to the left.  How often have you read or seen a conservative columnist call for the censoring, restriction, or removal of a leftwing commentator no matter how egregious his copy?  The left responds to their lack of audience by such nostrums as the Fairness Doctrine that seeks to impose state monitored censorship on dissemination of political speech.

The right would like nothing more than the side-by-side presentation of such opposing views for better to highlight the sinister silliness of socialist solutions.  And the left knows it, hence their tack for advocating simply the removal of conservative voices from the public forum.

Gaia 

This behavior reaches heights of high comedy in Nevada County.  Here leftwing bloggers and commenters decry the right’s paucity of ideas and their negligible audiences.  Yet it is they who constantly editorialize against our ideas, revelations, and arguments.  And it is they who constantly present themselves at their ad hominem best in our comment threads.  There must be something that we are saying to enough people out there that is scaring the living bejeezus, … er, make that Gaia, out of them.

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123 responses to “The Liberal Fear of Gaia”

  1. Mikey McD Avatar

    Crabb, would you take offense if I called you a democrat on acid? Your comment was uncharacteristically angry, mean and derogatory.
    A Libertarian/libertarian believe in Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness.
    Progressives believe in their life, their liberty and guaranteed happiness; all at the expense of others.

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  2. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Of course, Pelline and Frisch haven’t actually met (or can point to) a libertarian upset that a fire department didn’t have a one minute response time when their house was one fire, that’s just a convenient fiction that helps them believe. Like the born again Christian pointing out there were no atheists in foxholes. All that is needed is some conversion event, and you’ll believe like me. Some religions are like that.
    Another fallacy is that one can’t criticize programs (like Social Security) unless one is willing to forgo the benefit when it comes time to get a check. In other words, yes, you’ve paid far more into it than you can expect to ever get out of it, but if you bitch about that, you shouldn’t accept the benefit and and choose to live in abject poverty to prove you are pure of heart.
    Any citizen who pays their taxes should protest when they don’t get the government, or the benefit, they’ve been paying for. It doesn’t matter if they’d have preferred to buy less than they were forced to pay for by the majority.
    Of course, I think it was PJ O’Rourke who said, ‘be thankful you don’t get all the government you’re paying for’.

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  3. Mikey McD Avatar

    Greg, great truthful comment(s). An easy way to stymie a liberal is to ask them why SS and Medicare are mandatory and not a choice. Almost 17% of each individual’s income goes to these mandatory programs… imagine what one could do with another 17% of income!

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  4. RL Crabb Avatar

    Mikey, calling me a democrat on acid wouldn’t offend me in the slightest. It wasn’t meant to be mean, just to point out that the Libertarian Party is out there in the wilderness among the various political movements. Fact is, Libertarians haven’t made a dent in the political landscape in all the years they’ve around.
    I like a lot of what Libertarians stand for, like just being left the hell alone by an ever intrusive government, but I also realize that this is the 21st century and what worked for Davy Crockett (one of my heroes too) won’t fly in a society as complex as the one we live in. Like it or not, we are connected and will continue to be more connected. Doesn’t matter if it’s Dems or Repubs in power, we are all plugged into the holy grid of technology and Big Brother has his eye on every one of us. We seem to be a dying breed, as the new generations embrace being on camera 24/7. (People try to get me on Facebook but I am resisting.)
    Could be one of the reasons Libs aren’t more popular is the lack of a sense of humor.

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  5. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Hey Todd… you are CLUELESS! You post “Frish has never met a payroll with his own money”. Based on what information do you make this claim Todd?
    Hey Todd, seems you know NOTHING… Mr. Frisch owned a resturant in Truckee for some time. Even Paul McCartney hung out and eat and played there.
    Todd… you really do have no idea what you are talking about!

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  6. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    George… talk about ad hominem attacks! Todd is the king of the ad hominem and he is flat out WRONG while doing so.
    George… Todd really undermines any of your efforts to undertake a rational and civil discussion on this blog.
    Geoerge… why don’t you say something about Todd’s posts and his BS? Why do you only apply standards to “Libs”… so you support Todd’s factless ad hominem’s?

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  7. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    RLC, I wasn’t offended by the Republicans on Acid quip (got a chuckle out of it in your comic), but it still paints a very large tent with a very small brush and while less inaccurate than the Republicans on steroids, it’s still one stereotype to paint a fairly broad section of the politically homeless. Where do people who believe in markets relatively free of inappropriate coersion, and freedom of individual choice, go? We have two polarized parties, but we don’t really have a two party system, just two parties that have managed to marginalize competition.
    I recall a wonderful woman I dated for awhile, a Canadian, and very much to the left of center. She lived in Sac while attending Rudolf Steiner College to get some sort of a Waldorf instructor certification. I turned her onto the Nolan Chart and she was delighted to find herself not really on the left, but left-libertarian side of the chart (where I am, though more centrist than she), and her arguments with the Steinerians who were blindly socialist started to make sense. We both attended a Peace Vigil at Miner’s Foundry, and while she was more into it, I was repulsed by the hate I saw on stage from the likes of Utah Philips and especially Mikail Graham.
    Two different versions:
    http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php
    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
    The worst rule hurting 3rd parties at the moment is the limit on campaign contributions. Sounds so egalitarian on the surface, but what we have is one of those political sausages… powerful interests can still spend infinite amounts of money independently of campaigns, but not directly to political campaigns, unless the one who is filthy rich is the candidate themselves. That would have been cut, too, but that pesky first amendment got in the way.
    I’d like to see no limits, but requiring instantaneous online disclosure of the individuals making the contribution.

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  8. Mikey McD Avatar

    Crabb, your points are noted and appreciated. I believe that the values of Davy Crockett (integrity, honesty, personal responsibility, etc) are needed now more than ever. I would be interested to know what traits of Davy’s “won’t fly” in our age? Could you imagine if one of our modern day politicians served/died on the front lines in one of the wars overseas (a la Davy and The Alamo)?
    I would also note (as I think you did) that us libertarians are fighting the technology movement insomuch as it invades our privacy/liberty.

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  9. Todd Juvinall Avatar
    Todd Juvinall

    Enos complained on other blogs with ad hominem attacks on me and then tries to claim some moral high ground. His tactics are right out of Sal Alinsky’s playbook. If you look at his posts one comes away with a bad taste. Enos follows me around the internet using his personal attacks and tries to get me banned from sites. He succeeded on Pelline’s because that site is liberal and doesn’t allow dissent. I would say to Enos, keep trying but you are dealing with your superior and you just need to accept that fact. If you can’t take the heat as they say.
    George, this attack on me by Enos and his pals does truly make me proud. They censor we don’t.

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  10. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Todd… can you respond to this:
    Hey Todd… you are CLUELESS! You post “Frish has never met a payroll with his own money”. Based on what information do you make this claim Todd?
    Hey Todd, seems you know NOTHING… Mr. Frisch owned a resturant in Truckee for some time. Even Paul McCartney hung out and eat and played there.
    Todd… you really do have no idea what you are talking about!

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  11. RL Crabb Avatar

    Davy Crockett’s values still fly, but in the 1830’s he could literally escape the government. Just go find a piece of land, build your cabin, hunt for game without a permit and just live your life. We all know that’s impossible today, pretty much anywhere on the planet, much less America.
    My libertarian side came out during Bush’s move to create the Patriot Act. I was one of those who urged the Nevada City Council to go with a resolution to oppose it, on the grounds that once we had it, it would never go away, sunset clause notwithstanding. I remember being called paranoid at the time, mostly by Republicans. They did approve the resolution, and I have no regrets, especially since my prediction came true.

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  12. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    RLC, you continue to see libertarians only in some unattainable Utopian context that some evangelists seem to be romanticizing. Just limiting the Commerce Clause to actual regulation of interstate commerce and a rollback of the world police role would do wonders to satisfy most libertarians. Imagine a Federal government that actually limited itself to the powers enumerated by the Constitution. The Constitution is a living document, but if the government is to gain more power it should be by Amendments, not neglect.
    Mikey, libertarian and classic liberal are one and the same, and I prefer not to use “liberal” as a pejorative. Leftist, or democratic socialist, or socialist, when it fits. Let’s begin the long road to restore the word “liberal” to its noble roots.

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  13. Mikey McD Avatar

    Greg, you have more faith in the intelligence of our fellow American to even attempt to regain the classic “liberal” meaning. It would be easier to ‘invent’ a new word complete with a flashy jingle, plan to sponsor a billion happy meals, and put buttons on the American Idol judges. Thanks for the links to the quiz.

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  14. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    Given the Gaia mention in GR’s initial post, what I’d been wanting to fling into the fan is this delicious quote:
    “The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they’re scared stiff of the fact that they don’t really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven’t got the physics worked out yet.”
    -James Lovelock, father of the Gaia theory, March 2010
    Steve Frisch, how much are you guys at the so-called Sierra Business Council making on the Sierra Nevada Carbon Cooperative? Meeting projections? It does seem the market for environmental indulgences, especially carbon credits, is weak at the moment.

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  15. Russ Steele Avatar

    Jeff, Yes I guess you could say that, I get free copy of the newsletter.

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  16. Russ Steele Avatar

    Steven,
    Yes, that is a confusing web page and i have assed for a correction, I am only an advisor. Want is you problem with transparency? To my knowledge CABPRO is meeting the state and federal standards for a non-profit. Really small ones have few reporting requirements.

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  17. Russ Steele Avatar

    Oops should read “What is your problem…”?

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  18. RL Crabb Avatar

    Greg, you and Mikey obviously represent the respectable wing of libertarianism, whereas I’ve always found myself more closely associated with the fringes. For the better part of ten years I did freelance work for a libertarian book publisher up in Washington state. Most of the stuff I was given to interpret was relating to first amendment issues, although I’ve illustrated such topics as “Street Smarts for the New Millenium” and “The Abolition of Work”. One time I adapted a story by the publisher about him being kicked out of the Libertarian Convention because of the controversial content of his publications. Seems even Libertarians are prone to censorship.
    It doesn’t appear to have helped the cause in any case. Your party still polls in the single digits.

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  19. Martin Light Avatar
    Martin Light

    Memo to Steven Frisch,
    It appears that you’re uninformed as to finer points of business so I’ll make this brief and in the simplest of terms for you.
    The California Association of Business, Property and Resource Owners (CABPRO) is a 501(c)4 non-profit California corporation and complies with all laws and regulations as such. Prior to continuing to make a fool out of yourself with the many wild insinuations and emotional sniping it is advised that you bone up on the subject of what constitutes a “non-profit”.
    Russ Steele is an adviser to CABPRO’s board. The CABPRO website will adjusted so that those needing help will be able to understand simple terminology.
    Cheers!

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  20. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Greg, I appreciate your “noble roots” comment. From the various postings on the same subject, I am also in search of that wonderful language we still insist on calling English (perhaps out of habit). Mikey’s comments very much withstanding, I would not mind giving a try to restoring its original meaning and reclaiming ‘liberal’. Classical liberal is an abomination, students innocent of history don’t understand what you’re talking about, and those around whose neck that label hangs today consider it the equivalent of the scarlet letter (which it probably is).
    They want to be known as progressives – good, I’ll take back liberal.

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  21. Greg Goodknight Avatar
    Greg Goodknight

    George, if you think leftist success is progressive, the label fits. Otherwise, it’s just another perfectly good word getting it’s meaning changed. Regressive might be more appropriate. Euros generally eschew euphemisms … why not Social Democrat as a label? At least the S-word is missing the ‘ist’.
    RLC, nutcase libertarians certainly exist, and they are probably a larger portion of the total than are the extremists of the left and right. Yes, the LP is going nowhere, having peaked (I’d say mostly because of the crippling effects of contribution limits and ballot access restrictions) well over a decade ago. But, especially when the race between tweedledum and tweedle dumber has neither passing the smell test, I am happy to vote for the loser who at least stands on a platform I mostly agree with. I suspect to get a new party in the top two will require a real paradigm shift and a skilled standard bearer to forge alliances.

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  22. Mikey McD Avatar

    Greg- my current bumper sticker says “Don’t Blame Me- I Voted Libertarian” I would rather vote for the ‘loser’ than contribute to the problem.
    I think the term Social Democrat makes a lot of sense.

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  23. RL Crabb Avatar

    Greg, I find myself voting with the Libs a lot of the time also. Some folks would say we are throwing our vote away, but but at least I can sleep at night with a clear conscience. You’re right about a paradigm shift too. With all the changes this new century has brought us, it seems likely that politics is way overdue for one.

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