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George Rebane

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We attended the little Tea Party Patriots gathering yesterday afternoon in Penn Valley.  As predicted by the lame stream media for such events, we all showed up with our guns and grenades wearing our knuckle pads so they wouldn’t get skinned.  Everybody felt good because they had recent appreciation checks from BP stuffed in their shorts, checks which the company issued in lieu of its scheduled dividend.  Hell, first things first.

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The little gathering attracted over 200 local folks from a Nevada County Tea Party Patriots membership now north of 1,700 and growing fast.  The featured speaker was national TPP coordinator Mark Meckler.  Mark is an excellent public speaker and absolutely devoted to proselytizing the TPP principles of fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free market capitalism.  Principles which scare hell out of the left, and which they misrepresent in their extremes.

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The TP movement actually consists of at least three grass roots factions, some being more grassy than others.  These are the Tea Party Patriots (the largest and rigorously unaffiliated with any political party), the Tea Party Express (most closely connected with the Republican Party), and the Tea Party Nation (the smallest).  There are a number of other similar and smaller organizations that share the conservative/libertarian values and a common view of the socialist/Marxist direction on which the Obama administration is taking the country.  The movement’s power draws from its distributed and loosely tied organization – it’s hard to herd millions of independently minded cats.


Mark threw out a few recent polling statistics  –  48.9 million or 16% of Americans are declared TP members.  Since that 48.9 million represents voting adults, the percentage that really worries the progressives is closer to 30% of American voters.  46% of all Americans believe that the TP movement is good for America.  That’s pretty good for a 15-month-old movement.

The movement draws special strength from the frenetic leftwing denials about its size, principles, and activities.  Members are encouraged to find common ground with individual leftwingers, rather than having one-on-one debates about how dysfunctional are their collectivist public policies.

The organization strategically refuses to endorse candidates (yes, that includes Rand Paul) but, of course, the individual TPP members naturally have a voting booth affinity with candidates that declare common values and principles with the TP movement.  This is different from the SEIU that, as an organization, openly and under the table supports leftwing candidates with money, endorsements, and in-kind services – which, of course, is their right.

The TP movement believes that the Constitution is a living document through the amendment provisions which it already contains, and not through the arbitrary judicial and legislative extensions promoted by the leftwing to bring about their avowed “fundamental transformation” through a death (of liberty) by a thousand tiny cuts.

The TPP acknowledge that healing the country’s fiscal woes (deficits, debt, and entitlements) will require each of us to be prepared to relinquish parts or all of our cherished entitlements such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.  This is no easy pill for the TP movement to promote or swallow.

The movement indicts the federal government for its unconstitutional maintenance of border security and its address of the illegal entrant problem.  Until the federal government again starts executing its constitutional duties, the TP movement endorses states passing and enforcing laws such as the recent actions in Arizona.

Mark also made the important point that he believes we are in a war against a militant Islam bent on nothing less than the destruction of western civilization on its path to an Islamic planet.  The ‘war on terror’ is a disastrously mis-labeled effort which promotes misunderstanding of the confrontation in which our nation finds itself.  As RR readers know, this has been my little soapbox from the gitgo.

The Founders’ intentions and constitutional designs for the federal model of a republican democracy are sacrosanct within the TP movement.  Therefore, it seeks the repeal of the 17th amendment (through constitutional means) to restore the election of US senators by the state legislatures.

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20 responses to “Tea Party Scattershots (edited)”

  1. RL Crabb Avatar

    As with all political movements, the Tea Party seems to be going through a period of growing pains. Even though I might take issue with some of their goals, debate and participation are always a good thing for democracy.
    As for repealing the 17th amendment, I assume the Tea Party wants Senators chosen by a two-thirds majority of the legislature, otherwise you’d end up with the two we now have. Seems like you’d end up with the same problem we have with budgets; endless gridlock resulting in no representation at all.

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  2. Russ Avatar

    George,
    Thanks for the report, sorry we could not add two more to the attendance list. As you know, we tried to execute this research trip earlier in the month, but the Berkeley Library was closed. I am pleased that Mark made a distinction between the various Tea Party Factions, the action of one is not the action of all.

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  3. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    The election of senators by state legislators was perhaps the most important bulwark in establishing and retaining America as a republic of the several federated states joined under a central government with enumerated and limited powers. The 17th amendment eliminated that bulwark by having senators elected by popular vote. This was the singular event that started the country on the road to a popular democracy governed by a powerful and growing central government which is now eliminating the last vestiges of republican governance. And most students of history know that popular democracies destroy themselves through the simple device of voting themselves unearned largesse. By design, we are firmly on that path now.

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  4. RL Crabb Avatar

    I understand the difference, George, but I really don’t see how having politicians chosen by other politicions would improve our sorry situation, considering the knuckleheads in Sacramento.
    Besides, the only enterprise that’s actually growing in this state is the election industry fueled by billionaire wannabe politicians.

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  5. Nuff said Avatar
    Nuff said

    Yep, that’s the tea party we know and (don’t) love … REPEAL the 17th amendment! REPEAL the Civil Rights Act! … They say they want to take back America. But it looks like they want to take America back in time … I’ll just say, thanks, but no thanks.

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  6. Nuff said Avatar
    Nuff said

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2H_YAHLodU … George, can’t help but notice the “WE” he refers to while lauding the Tea Party.

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  7. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Bob, as the 20th century has demonstrated and Brian Caplan has documented, the voters at large have become an extremely malleable and compliant population that more often serve the frequency of bombarded soundbites and emotion than reason. Because of this, senators are now elected ‘at large’ across the nation – e.g. Chris Dodd, among others, getting his overwhelming support from out-of-state check writers. The question of repeal is exanded on here
    http://www.restorefederalism.org/2009/03/repeal-17th.html .

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  8. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Mr Nuff – Yes, I believe he delivered the TP’s message correctly which, in part, is ‘We’ve come to take our government back.’ The TPers voted for Rand Paul in the belief that he shares that objective and would so perform if voted into office. Was there another point you were making?

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  9. RL Crabb Avatar

    There still remains the question of whether legislators will do any better than voters at appointing office holders, although we do have a recent example to work with.
    Lt. Gov. Maldonado managed to get through the legislative meat grinder by a razor thin margin.Republicans had the opportunity to dump him last week, but chose to send him on to November and sent conservative Dr. Sam back to pulling teeth. Could be there is an appetite for moderates out there in election land.
    There are a growing number of voters who have had it with the Dems and admire many conservative principles, especially fiscal disipline and limited government, but are unwilling to turn the clock back to 1789. While the Tea Party movement may capitalize on that anger this year, the real trick will be holding on to office long enough to execute the kind of change you are talking about. I have my doubts whether that’s possible, given the kind of rhetoric I hear from the current slate of candidates.

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  10. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    Well said and agreed, Bob.

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  11. Anna Haynes Avatar

    Thanks for this report George. I’m still writing mine up; but could you or a reader clarify one or two things for me?
    Does anyone know if the RV in the photo is a Tea Party Patriot conveyance? (I suspect it is, but perhaps it’s not?)
    And second – Meckler’s talk did emphasize that the people (i.e., persons) should take our country back; does he mean the legal def. of “person” (which includes corporations) or the common usage (which doesn’t)?
    (I know I should have stuck around to ask, but I didn’t think of this Q until later, as is all too usual…and your blog will likely reach someone who’s got the answer.)

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  12. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Tea party disapproval is at an all-time high, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
    Fifty percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the movement, compared with 39 percent in March.
    “This wouldn’t been the first time an American political movement began to fade soon after an energetic, even sizzling, beginning,” according to the Post. “And other movements — think Ross Perot — had the advantage of a charismatic leader.”
    Here in Nevada County Tea Party candidate Barry Pruett got his head handed to him by the voters and a LOT of R’s that refused to vote for Pruett. In Placer County the R’ stronghold is now shifing to the Dem’s and the R’s are attacking each other… like here in Nevada County.

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  13. Douglas Keachie Avatar

    I think the BP spill is Toto pulling at the curtain, and The Tea Party has been exposed for what it is, mindless support of corporations, and their beneficiaries, the shareholders. Thank-you Sarah, for your enlightening slogan, “Drill, Baby, Drill.”

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  14. Russ Avatar

    Hey Steve and Doug consider this from Hot Air:
    The big news from this NPR poll is that the 70 most competitive races in the House this year comprises 10 Republican seats and 60 Democratic seats.  That speaks to both the size of the current majority of 77 seats (255-178) and the political forces arrayed against the Democrats in the midterms.  Republicans lead the generic ballot by eight points in these 70 districts, 49/41
    The anti-incumbent fever that so many have discussed appears only to apply in Democratic districts.  As this chart shows, the GOP leads where Democrats have incumbents by five points, outside the margin of error.  In current Republican districts, the GOP leads by 16 points, which indicates that voters don’t have much of a problem with Republican incumbents.
    We see the same conclusion from questions specifically aimed at testing incumbency.  For Democratic districts, 46% of voters want to vote for “someone else”, while only 34% want to re-elect their current Representative.  Those numbers flip in Republican districts, with 37% demanding “someone else” and 49% planning to support the incumbent.  Yet another question on incumbency showed a commitment to re-elect incumbents in Republican districts of 52% to 39% opposed, while in Democratic districts, those numbers were reversed again, 36/56.
    And bear in mind that these were the most competitive Republican districts NPR found.
    This poll clearly shows that the midterms won’t be an anti-incumbent, throw-them-all-out election.  It’s a referendum on the Democratic agenda and leadership, and the Democrats will lose big if these numbers hold up through the summer.

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  15. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Looks like a whole lot of gray hair in the TP group photo. Did the speaker ask for a show of hands from those on Medicare?
    Did the speaker then ask how many were in favor of giving up their Medicare?
    Exit question: How many Tea Party members have opted out of their Medicare coverage?

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  16. George Rebane Avatar
    George Rebane

    In fact he did SteveE, and regardless of intent, your question highlights an important point almost always lost in such inquiries that seek to imply that unless an individual or subgroup does not unconditionally opt out, then its beliefs are hypocritical and impure. A frequently offered simplistic argument to curry the simple. Garrett Hardin taught us long ago that such tactics don’t work. Unilaterally defecting from a common merely punishes the defector and does nothing to eliminate the common. It is the common – here, the present form of Medicare – that must be eliminated. Given the facts of the matter, only functional idiots would argue for continuing this common.

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  17. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    Douglas, do you drive a car? Buy groceries which were trucked to get to the store? Ever fly anywhere? Ever ship something via USPS, UPS, FEDEX? or is there no NEED for oil in your ivory tower?

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  18. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    TPP haters, is it 1.) the love of the constitution 2.) Fiscal responsibility 3.) free market capitalism or 4.) combo of the above that you despise? I am trying to identify the root of your hatred for the TP.

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  19. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Sarah seems to be a bit lost.
    So how many folks at the gathering said they have opted out of Medicare? I know hypocritical when I see it.

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  20. Steve Enos Avatar
    Steve Enos

    Sarah, I love the Tea Party clan. They are killing off the R party.
    Tea Party disapproval is at an all-time high, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Fifty percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the movement, compared with 39 percent in March.
    “This wouldn’t been the first time an American political movement began to fade soon after an energetic, even sizzling, beginning,” according to the Post. “And other movements — think Ross Perot — had the advantage of a charismatic leader.”
    Nevada County Tea Party candidate Barry Pruett got slapped hard by the voters and a LOT of R’s that refused to vote for Tea Party Pruett. In Placer County the R stronghold shifted towards the Dem’s and one main factor is the TP attacking the R’s as here in Nevada County.
    Just keep attacking each other and hunt them RINO’s. Just keep supporting folks like Rand Paul!

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